Space Station Mafia - Page 54

On April 20 2012 01:31 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh strongly believes that both erandor and wherebugs go are town. Both of them passed Vayesh's test. Gmarshal and Sandroba also passed vayesh's test.

Vayesh believes our gaze should stay on sinani, strongandbig for now and possibly ET, chaoser, and any one else who seems suspicious later.

textbook lurking scum response time there.

wherebugsgo
Ace
Kurumi
michaelthe
VisceraEyes

at this point they all need flipped asap from what I have been seeing.

##Vote prplhz
cause his lurking is unacceptable and hes clearly invested in the game considering his ninja votes 2 days now but has no desire to participate other than lynching and thats scummy as fuck no matter what way you cut it.

umm

I put pressure on ace cause he was my number one scum read... thats how you fucking get information. You pressure people as hard as you can.
You pressure the fuck out of them and watch how THEY AND people around them react and make your decisions accordingly.

So lets break this down.

Mrzentor defended ace during my pressure.
Ace flips scum

2 scum candidates come up

Mrzentor ( clearly he reacted town to my pressure on ace and his defending of ace who flips town )

Prpl ( clearly ninja votes and lurks with zero input to game and multiple scum tells plus ace link)

I wonder who the fuck im gonna vote.

THATS LIKE ANTI BANDWAGON.

GTFO

On April 18 2012 01:41 michaelthe wrote:


I don't know why we haven’t been probing this claim A LOT harder.

I asked Sandroba about it in PM, but I'm apparently not important enough to respond to in PM land.

I want to know how exactly this claim worked. Was it an automatic claim to each other given in your roles? Did one person have to initiate? Are there more people, as you seemed to indicate? Why would you not know exactly who they are?

Did the claim necessarily include alignment? This is important as it would make sense in a body snatchers game, role!=alignment.

Either way, I want to know every detail of what happened. We either have a via pro-town force, which ought to be leading the scum hunt harder, or one or more scum taking advantage. I'd really like to know which it is.

##Vote: Sandroba

On April 15 2012 15:55 michaelthe wrote:


I would like to take you very seriously Mav. In fact, I am going to do things like make numbered lists!

1- Tailsmania didnt make comments towards me. He had me on a list of 30 people, and it was essentally a null read: “Not entirely sure if that's where he was going.” So you argument of me being dismissive is that I dismissed a null read. How are you dismissive of null reads? Im trying to take you serious, but I really dont know what to say.

2- Flip-flop. In my second point of my numbered list, I want to tackle the flip-flop issue. However, I really don't know what stance you say I took and flipped from. So thus ends the list.

Sorry, my attempt to take you seriously didnt go well since your statement was pretty much nonsense.

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Re: Taliasmania

The pro of people posting lists of EVERY read is that it allows us to analysis the list of scum we hit. For example, scum probably won't have a scum read on any of their scum buddies on public lists (WIFOM pending).

The Con of complete read lists is that scum can use them every night to decide who to hit. For example, if the ENTIRE town has a VERY pro-town read on a person the scum knows is town- that person is likely to be hit. If your list ever includes possible blue roles, free hit. Also, they can use the list to say “OK, if this townie ends up dead, what would people think based on their list.”

Overall, I think the Con's far outwiegh the pros as Scum can use the lists everynight and the town can only most-effectivily use lists if a scum is lynched and has a public list that was prepared poorly (they will surely have some scum reads on their scum buddies if we force them to have a list.)

Actually, I should stress that point. The scum, knowing they would have a public list of “reads” when they die, would be sure to make it not obvious. Therefore, lists are a great tool for scum and a mediocre tool for the town.

A better way to find scum is to attempt to find one, and when the flip scum, go back and reread. It is unlikely that scum will bus their allies before the case even picks up steam, for example. But they are likely to bus when the lynch is secured.

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Michaelthe is scum!

On April 20 2012 06:58 talismania wrote:


Michaelthe, why did you even think to make this joke?

On April 20 2012 08:47 talismania wrote:
The first clue was about a body-snatchers movie? I thought it was about an opera.

On April 18 2012 00:38 talismania wrote:
Ok. There are five people in this game who are scum. There are twenty who aren't.

Here are the players from which I believe the scum team comes:

MrZentor - A few reasons to think this as have been posted.

One, as brought up by layabout via kurumi of course is the entanglement with l10f. l10f is bad at playing scum. The simplest explanation for his behavior is that he was trying to protect his scumbuddy when he saw someone attack him.

Two is that his demeanor has changed over the course of the game. He started out with his bid for captaincy, ever since it fizzled and people started looking at him, he's been on the defensive. This is a weaker reason as town can act this way too. Also note strongandbig's point about his campaign for captaincy including the promise that people could lynch him if they disagreed with his decision-making. That made and still makes no sense from a town point of view - if you're town, why would you agree to let yourself get lynched under any circumstances?

Three is that he basically revealed that he knew about acrofales' bombs. I haven't heard any replies from the people I PM'd about this yet so I'll just go ahead and post it.



This means that acrofales told him how his bombs work. This means that MrZentor knew that if acrofales died, another person would die. This means that if MrZentor were scum, he knew that killing acrofales would be a 2 for 1. Also note that acrofales stated in the thread at one point that he thought MrZentor was acting scummy. Acrofales was targeted for a reason - part of it may have been his suspicion of l10f but another part of it may be this. Marvellosity, this explains why acrofales told you to be suspicious of Zentor if he died. The only part that doesn't make sense is why Zentor would even make that post - maybe someone else knew? Maybe he slipped in trying to appear helpful? Or this whole case is rubbish and he's town.

Sinani206

Read Sinani's filter. Compare it to l10f's.

Sinani does nothing day one but comment on the captaincy. It's all superficial game-content posts from him. There is no attempt at real scumhunting. There is no attempt at any protown plan. He hasn't responded to PMs. Yet he's still in the game, posting and making votes. His vote just now for ET reeks.

Jackal58

He's on here almost by process of elimination and my own gut feeling to be perfectly honest. Here are his comments in PM land when asked what he thinks of sinani, node, and zentor:



Could be confirmation bias, but my eyebrows arched a bit when he asks me that fish-y question on sandroba. Here's the rest of the conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +

coagulation

Like, Jackal, this case isn't that strong. There's not much to go on here, but again it's almost process of elimination. He goes after ace fairly strongly, as maverick pointed out. That doesn't necessarily make him scum - many people had suspicions of ace at the time, myself included. His vote on prp does not sit right with me. Not necessarily because of who it was made on, but how it was made. Maybe I'm tunneling, but it was almost like "oh whew, people are interested in a townie lynch let me hop on that real quick".

VayeshMoru

Oh Vayesh. I really have no clue what your alignment is. You're on this list because you're voting Node right now, and Jackal is fingering him as well. That's weak, I admit. But you also have cast some suspicion on marvellosity, who gives me town vibe, as well as me. You were the only person and maybe are the only person in the game to ever publicly state a suspicion on me. I think it was something like "he's only trying to play for himself" or something when I had just made a post about making sure that everyone shared as much information as possible.

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On the bubble:

Node

Node has the same MO as sinani day one - except he actually did put some pressure on someone (strongandbig). And he's also disappeared since then, whereas sinani has at least attempted to keep playing. He's mainly out here because Jackal is raising suspicions of him, and I think scum right now are fishing for viable lynch alternatives to themselves

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Outside possibilities:

Prplhz, erandorr. I wouldn't mind seeing these players flipped but I'm guessing they would come back town and would rather we go for one of ones higher up.

On April 20 2012 10:08 RayzorFlash wrote:


Give this man a medal. Sinani/Zentor would be good lynches. Lets get Sinani out of here.

##vote: Sinani206

Of course I knew about his bombs. He and I were best friends. <3 Assuming he was killed because of his bomb, and therefore I am scum is stupid. He was being very active by pming a lot of people, acting extremely townie, and pressuring l10f. He would be a great target for the scum, mostly because of the last part.

On April 20 2012 08:41 syllogism wrote:
I'll be off soon and provide more direction tomorrow, but I'm interested in hearing who everyone considers the best target out of the people wbg named (s&b, ET, sinani, prplhz, rayzor).

On April 20 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:


Let's get rid of sinani first, hopefully that drops mafia to 2. At that point we basically just lynch through the list.

It's like what, 21v3 right now? We're extraordinarily ahead.

On April 15 2012 04:59 MrZentor wrote:
I really hope you guys are right about PM land being active, because this thread is DEAD. :/

On April 19 2012 11:03 MrZentor wrote:

The funny part is that I was trying to get somebody whom I know has a dt check to check Coag, because I thought he was scummy.

I wanted him to check Coag on the first night. -.-