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On April 19 2012 13:35 strongandbig wrote:
So I still haven't seen anything that's persuaded me that Zentor isn't scum.
His response to my case on him re: the captaincy was terrible, and he didn't respond at all to my or any case on him yesterday.
At the end of the last day he was the number one lynch target. I think his sudden turn towards actual scum hunting is just an attempt to get us off his back.
That said, his case on Kurumi is pretty good.
Kurumi defended not one, but two players who later flipped scum - Jackal and l10f. That's two for two.
I say we lynch Kurumi. If he flips scum, I'll eat my words and Zentor will be confirmed. On the other hand, if he flips town, then Zentor is still my best scum read and should be our next priority.
It also seems like there's a lot of momentum towards a Sinani lynch. However, I'd like to see someone lay out the case against him a bit more explicitly than it has been. As it stands right now, the most persuasive cases I've read in the thread have been against Kurumi and MrZentor.
On April 19 2012 14:24 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:20 Snarfs wrote:On April 19 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote:On April 19 2012 14:10 Snarfs wrote:On April 19 2012 14:01 chaoser wrote:
so sinani lynch today, strongandbig lynch tomorrow, our DTs should be able to cover the rest. After today the mafia KP should be dropping to 1. I'm fine with this. I feel like the attack on Kurumi was a bit of a chainsaw defense. He was one of my biggest town reads from the beginning, really trying to get discussion going in the thread. For now my vote is on sinani. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It was a chainsaw defense by Mr. Zentor. I don't get how you can say this and then vote for Kurumi. Well, no one seems to be listening to me about Mr. Zentor. If he is town then we lynch kurumi and get a scum. If he's not town we can find out by lynching kurumi and then lynching zentor. Either way we get a scum.Plus, look at his case - it's really good, kurumi has been defending a lot of scum and attacking a lot of towns people.
Hello S&B can you help me understand this a bit more. Zentor was your number one read, but instead of lynching him you wanted to lynch the person zentor found scummy because somehow seeing that flip will confirm zentor as town or scum. Further, you said that no matter which one of the two gets lynched, we will lynch scum. Do you think this line of reasoning is always applicable or even makes any sense whatsoever?
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On April 20 2012 17:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 13:35 strongandbig wrote:
So I still haven't seen anything that's persuaded me that Zentor isn't scum.
His response to my case on him re: the captaincy was terrible, and he didn't respond at all to my or any case on him yesterday.
At the end of the last day he was the number one lynch target. I think his sudden turn towards actual scum hunting is just an attempt to get us off his back.
That said, his case on Kurumi is pretty good.
Kurumi defended not one, but two players who later flipped scum - Jackal and l10f. That's two for two.
I say we lynch Kurumi. If he flips scum, I'll eat my words and Zentor will be confirmed. On the other hand, if he flips town, then Zentor is still my best scum read and should be our next priority.
It also seems like there's a lot of momentum towards a Sinani lynch. However, I'd like to see someone lay out the case against him a bit more explicitly than it has been. As it stands right now, the most persuasive cases I've read in the thread have been against Kurumi and MrZentor. Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:24 strongandbig wrote:On April 19 2012 14:20 Snarfs wrote:On April 19 2012 14:17 strongandbig wrote:On April 19 2012 14:10 Snarfs wrote:On April 19 2012 14:01 chaoser wrote:
so sinani lynch today, strongandbig lynch tomorrow, our DTs should be able to cover the rest. After today the mafia KP should be dropping to 1. I'm fine with this. I feel like the attack on Kurumi was a bit of a chainsaw defense. He was one of my biggest town reads from the beginning, really trying to get discussion going in the thread. For now my vote is on sinani. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It was a chainsaw defense by Mr. Zentor. I don't get how you can say this and then vote for Kurumi. Well, no one seems to be listening to me about Mr. Zentor. If he is town then we lynch kurumi and get a scum. If he's not town we can find out by lynching kurumi and then lynching zentor. Either way we get a scum.Plus, look at his case - it's really good, kurumi has been defending a lot of scum and attacking a lot of towns people. Hello S&B can you help me understand this a bit more. Zentor was your number one read, but instead of lynching him you wanted to lynch the person zentor found scummy because somehow seeing that flip will confirm zentor as town or scum. Further, you said that no matter which one of the two gets lynched, we will lynch scum. Do you think this line of reasoning is always applicable or even makes any sense whatsoever?
After re-reading that post, no I don't think it makes any sense at all. Lynching kurumi doesn't give us information about zentor, just because he made an incorrect case. Town can make incorrect cases too.
The one part that I think does make sense is my argument that it's suspicious that MrZentor decided to start scum hunting seriously a day after he was almost lynched.
Let me explain the context and why I voted for kurumi. The ony previous game I've played was noob mini six. (I was also in bastard mafia, but I just trolled and got vigged night one so I didn't learn anything from that.)
In noob mini six, I spent half the game making cases on Marvellosity and being extremely suspicious of him. It came down to the final day of LYLO, with me, marv, and a third player. On that final day marv made a very persuasive (to me) case against the other guy, and I ended up voting with him at the last minute; we successfully got the last mafia and won the game.
However, it took me a really really long time to come to that conclusion, and I almost voted against marv anyway. Part of the reason for that was that marv was kind of suspicious as well, but it was mostly me being stubborn and thinking about how stupid I would feel if I switched my vote to agree with marvellosity and he turned out to be the scum.
So what I was thinking when I posted that stuff about zentor and kurumi was that since I had been so stubborn about believing a good case from someone I had been suspicious about in the past. This time I tried to compensate for that an ended up overcompensating.
As it stands now, I recognize that those posts were logically inconsistent; and that suggesting that zentor would be scum if kurumi turned out town is a logical fallacy.
I'm still suspicious of Zentor; based on his play in the thread, I think he looks like scum. However, a lynch on him seems unlikely today, apparently because of some information the pm overlords have that they don't see fit yet to share with the rest of us. Sinani also looks like a decent choice, from his limited behavior in the thread, and I guess there's also a secret pm based case against him, so I'm switching my vote to him.
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Now that you are here, also answer my PMs please
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By the way, there is no "secret pm based case" against sinani, so don't use that as an excuse.
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So I got a chance to flip through Strongandbig's filters... a couple trends that I noticed-
Constantly apologetic.
Really focused on Zentor... almost obsessively.. However, as others noted- he didn't actually stick a vote on him...
I'm thinking that a lynch on Strongandbig is the way to go, and he is the one I will be voting for. Not to mention a really late switch to Jackal on the last voting...
On a more general note- there was a point where a ton of hate landed on Zentor at almost the same time- Ace pointed this out... Depending on how Strongandbig flips, could indicate Zentor's alignment potentially.
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Syllo: Agreed, which is why my vote isnt on Zentor, its on Sinani. I still want Zentor to explain what i asked though.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Zentor is telling the truth, and he told who he needed to tell
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On April 20 2012 02:05 talismania wrote:
Sinani,
There are three scum left. Who do you think they are? If unsure about some, provide a range.
At least two in this list, probably all three:
Kurumi
Strongandbig
EchelonTee
MrZentor
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and ET has a vote already, so I'm going for him.
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WBG up for killing S&B or ET instead? The issue with sinani is that I can't point to anything specific in his posts other than that there is almost nothing in there. Does anyone have any logs with him? He didn't answer my pm
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United States21170 Posts
I don't - I don't really have logs from anyone from your list except prplhz :S
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sinani did kind of shit on Coag's mayor run, here:
On April 15 2012 07:24 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 05:50 Coagulation wrote:On April 15 2012 04:59 michaelthe wrote:Next game where we elect a mayor day 1 Im going to suggest we not discuss the mayor vote and just play like a normal game. We spent the first 36 hours talking about useless crap, and only in the past 12 have people started pointing fingers. Again, I think the town sucks at hitting scum day 1, but its extremely valuable to look back at who died and see who pointed fingers/defended and when and why. I guess its good we have a bit of discussion now, but 48 hours of it would be better. My one PM so far: + Show Spoiler +From: talismania [ 1193 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Any reads so far?
Date: 4/14/12 22:45
Hi was just wondering what reads or suspicions you might have so far
Have you been chatting or pming with anyone? I guess people don't want my opinion. OK. 0. A lot of people have stated they have pro-town reads on Sandroba. I doubt scum would be dumb enough to mass support him like that. The question is, how intelligent do I think they town is in these reads of Sandroba as a townie. I KNOW the town sucks at finding scum, but that doesnt mean that doesnt correlated 1:1 to bad town reads. Meh, I dont want a wall of text, so Ill just say: TLDR, yall have played with him, I dont have much faith, but I hope the entire town isnt retarded with their read. All the eggs are in your basket Sandroba. ##Vote: Sandroba If you dont feel like sandroba is best choice for capn dont fucking vote him just cause everyone else is. thats like the worst thing you can do for town. Vote gmarsh or me or anyone else but "the person everyone else is" Why would anyone vote for you after this? Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 06:36 Coagulation wrote:
I want to update my campaign with the platform If you vote for me and im elected I will flip a coin and either lynch ace or wbg.
dead srs.
And here:
On April 15 2012 07:40 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 07:36 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2012 07:35 sinani206 wrote:On April 15 2012 07:29 chaoser wrote:
Coag is pretty deadly with a gun, remember his GF and then sub-GF shot? I dunno about coin flips though What is this about guns? I thought we were talking about the mayor lynch. being captain basically makes you day one day vigi? I guess... Even so, he said he would choose his target with a coin flip. That's certainly not a way to earn my vote.
Seems unlikely from a scum perspective.
##Unvote sinani206
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well if you look through ET's filter you'll see that he at some point interacts with all other known scum or scum suspects to some degree on day one. None of it is hard enough though to be certain of a disconnect. In fact, some of it strikes me as intentionally atagonistic with the goal of creating distance (the words with jackal, for instance).
Sinani is just weirdly not doing things to defend himself. If he is town he should be fighting harder. Assuming he is playing the game at all.
Jackal, in the pm exchange I posted, says he things sinani is town. I also asked about zentor and node - node he jumped on, trying to make a case. Zentor he was neutral on, sinani he said was town. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or the other but it is something to look at.
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Sinani not defending himself as town isn't unusual. He also responded to my pm and offered to explain his reads. I think we are better off killing ET or S&B today. Sinani can certainly be mafia, it's just that he tends to always look like this. ET has disappeared which looks like mafia giving up frankly and s&b's attitude seems quite hostile as well. The order in which we kill these 3 doesn't particularly matter though.
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United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: sinani206
##Vote: EchelonTee
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Sinani responded to a pm???
Now THAT is unusual.
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Only because he saw me posting about it in the thread; it took almost 24 hours.
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United States21170 Posts
On April 17 2012 09:32 EchelonTee wrote:
prplhz, I have never ever known you to play a lurky town style. You have literally posted nothing and as a semi-vet this is a glaring big red flag. I propose a prplhz lynch because he has done nothing which is utterly strange for him. And then he sheeps on MrZentor with 0 reasoning. Regardless of MrZ's alignment, prplhz absence is scummy.
##Vote prplhz
This is the only post in which EchelonTee ever says anyone is actually scummy, and the only time ET has voted to lynch someone.
Also, he mentions Coag once, here. He mentions l10f once here. He never mentions Jackal. prplhz is the only person ET ever actually finds suspicious that I'm aware of from the information in the thread, and he never outright calls him scum. Mostly the post about prplhz is explaining how wierd his play is.
EchelonTee is scum, and I think he should be the lynch for today.
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I'm fine with killing any of those players. All that matters to me is that we get a lynch going today, and I agree that all three of ET, snb, and sinani look very bad.
I'm willing to consolidate on ET or snb instead of sinani if need be.
Also I'm probably not going to be around much, as I'm studying for finals and this game is pretty much playing itself. If anyone needs something from me just PM me.
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wbg do you think scum have a third veteran on their team or just jackal/coag?
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