EPTThe thing is, what do we do know? Every scum so far played..
THEY DID NOT PLAY OMG
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
The thing is, what do we do know? Every scum so far played.. THEY DID NOT PLAY OMG | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 21 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs has been playing a very apathetic style, even in PMs. There was a leak in the almighty circle too, and bugs was well placed. Syllo said some rubbish about team balance, but you know syllo.  I'm really looking forward to hearing how the almighty circle operated once this game is all over  | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
LMAO That is something isn't it? WIFOM MODE ENGAGE Truth is Node, I knew about the shot. If I were scum, would I have hinted at bugs' true nature knowing he was about to flip? [/WIFOM] But seriously, that was a hell of a catch guys. He almost had me fooled too. ^^ | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
As an aside, I will never play PM games again... Based on the stuff in the thread, Zentor is my scummiest read. But because of some stuff that everyone seems to know about except for me, that happened in PM land, my read is irrelevant because people are just treating him as confirmed town... Frustrating!!! | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
##vote EchelonTee | ||
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RayzorFlash
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VisceraEyes
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Also I empathize with you Rayzor.. | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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Maverick32x
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chaoser
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chaoser
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RayzorFlash
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
My reasoning is that Sinani and S&B were both voted/encouraged by WBG... Any strong counters to an ET vote? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 21 2012 06:14 Maverick32x wrote: Chaoser- I'm tempted to lean more towards ET than either of those two... My reasoning is that Sinani and S&B were both voted/encouraged by WBG... Any strong counters to an ET vote? I mean, at this point, obviously the only thing that would save mafia is "town-cred" and being behind any mafia lynch is obviously the easiest and quickest way to get lots of town cred. Which is why I'm thinking most mafia, especially if it's WBG, are probably bussing each other. This actually doesn't matter though since mafia are so far away from a win that it's almost impossible. I just want a sinani lynch for ego's sake cause i wanna see if I'm right or not. same thing applies to strongandbig | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
WBG had me fooled, that's for sure. He did a good job faking his pm with l10f. What did he claim, btw? I wonder why Jackal claimed a made-up item if they got WBG in as far as they did. My one chat convo with WBG (there is some discussion of VE, as well as some fishing on his part about the item kurumi gave me - this took place during night 2): + Show Spoiler + [4/13/2012 5:09:00 PM] wherebugsgo: wherebugsgo tlmafia [4/14/2012 3:58:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: Jason Pipkin has shared contact details with wherebugsgo. [4/14/2012 5:21:32 PM] Jason Pipkin: hi this is talismania from ss mafia - you're wbg right? [4/18/2012 2:04:59 PM] wherebugsgo: hey [4/18/2012 2:05:02 PM] wherebugsgo: sorry I never got a chance to talk [4/18/2012 2:05:14 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh from way back [4/18/2012 2:05:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: no worries [4/18/2012 2:05:16 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [4/18/2012 2:05:21 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [4/18/2012 2:05:32 PM] wherebugsgo: thoughts on the game at this stage? most of my reads atm are fairly weak [4/18/2012 2:05:38 PM] wherebugsgo: since we've cycled through most of the people I wanted to kill [4/18/2012 2:05:44 PM] wherebugsgo: (l10f, sinensis, jackal) [4/18/2012 2:05:53 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I'm pretty much where my last big post left off [4/18/2012 2:05:58 PM] Jason Pipkin: I had five people I thoguht were scum [4/18/2012 2:06:07 PM] Jason Pipkin: jackal was on there and he's gone [4/18/2012 2:06:12 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [4/18/2012 2:06:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: I guess zentor has some town-confirming stuff in pm land so he's off for now [4/18/2012 2:06:38 PM] Jason Pipkin: I still think sinani is scum, as well as coag [4/18/2012 2:06:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: just process of elimination though to be honest [4/18/2012 2:06:53 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [4/18/2012 2:07:00 PM] Jason Pipkin: so there's one more [4/18/2012 2:07:05 PM] wherebugsgo: at this point given the way the game seems to be going [4/18/2012 2:07:13 PM] wherebugsgo: scum don't seem to be actually even be playing [4/18/2012 2:07:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: no I don't think they are [4/18/2012 2:07:24 PM] Jason Pipkin: I think they're pretty pissed actually [4/18/2012 2:07:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: I think in the postgame there will be much bitching about what sandro did [4/18/2012 2:07:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: but anyway, vayesh is on my shortlist [4/18/2012 2:08:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: node was, but he's moved more town since jackal was on him (before jackal was under the gun) [4/18/2012 2:08:13 PM] wherebugsgo: ye [4/18/2012 2:08:20 PM] wherebugsgo: right [4/18/2012 2:08:25 PM] wherebugsgo: it might not mean much though [4/18/2012 2:08:26 PM] Jason Pipkin: then there's the people that are sort of floating around [4/18/2012 2:08:28 PM] wherebugsgo: jackal had no logs with node [4/18/2012 2:08:48 PM] Jason Pipkin: michael and strongandbig and erandorr etc [4/18/2012 2:08:51 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh and prp [4/18/2012 2:09:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: sinensis used to be on that fringe list but he flipped town [4/18/2012 2:09:28 PM] wherebugsgo: right [4/18/2012 2:09:34 PM] wherebugsgo: he was just useless [4/18/2012 2:09:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I mean I read him as town [4/18/2012 2:10:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: because his uselessness seemed more clueless than anything [4/18/2012 2:10:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: but anyway [4/18/2012 2:10:28 PM] Jason Pipkin: we'll see how this goes [4/18/2012 2:10:47 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm probably dead tonight to be honest [4/18/2012 2:11:12 PM] Jason Pipkin: so I guess I'll find out who the others are sooner than the rest [4/18/2012 2:12:36 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [4/18/2012 2:12:36 PM] wherebugsgo: well [4/18/2012 2:12:43 PM] wherebugsgo: we'll see [4/18/2012 2:13:11 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm unsure of what to expect at this point [4/18/2012 2:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: since the n1 shots were so odd [4/18/2012 2:13:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: well they seemed scared of going after sandroba [4/18/2012 2:13:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: or else they thought they could stir up mistrust of him [4/18/2012 2:14:03 PM] Jason Pipkin: dunno I think if I were scum I use 3 kp on sandroba night 1, 2kp if I'm feeling lucky [4/18/2012 2:14:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: blue circles way too powerful in this kind of a game [4/18/2012 2:14:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: so if they're still scared of him [4/18/2012 2:14:47 PM] Jason Pipkin: I expect them to go after active players on the edges [4/18/2012 2:15:01 PM] Jason Pipkin: maybe I'm just paranoid but that's probably me [4/18/2012 2:15:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: given that I called jackal scum before even sandroba posted his item discrepancy [4/18/2012 2:16:21 PM] wherebugsgo: right [4/18/2012 2:16:39 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno [4/18/2012 2:16:48 PM] wherebugsgo: I think sandro will be fine though because [4/18/2012 2:16:50 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia kp is 2 [4/18/2012 2:16:55 PM] wherebugsgo: and he undoubtedly has medics on him [4/18/2012 2:17:08 PM] Jason Pipkin: do we konw that mafia kp is 2 for sure? [4/18/2012 2:17:19 PM] wherebugsgo: dr h messed up and changed the values in the OP [4/18/2012 2:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: but I'm only assuming [4/18/2012 2:17:36 PM] wherebugsgo: based on two scum dying [4/18/2012 2:17:54 PM] Jason Pipkin: I was assuming the same thing but neither of the hosts has gotten back to me on that yet [4/18/2012 2:18:00 PM] wherebugsgo: right [4/18/2012 2:18:05 PM] wherebugsgo: the KP value hasn't changed in the OP [4/18/2012 2:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: but if it doesn't change [4/18/2012 2:18:14 PM] wherebugsgo: it wouldn't make sense [4/18/2012 2:18:28 PM] Jason Pipkin: no it should be standard 3 2 1 by twos [4/18/2012 2:18:28 PM] wherebugsgo: like you could have a situation with few town and still have 4 scum, KP is 3 then town auto loses [4/18/2012 2:18:32 PM] wherebugsgo: yep exactly [4/18/2012 2:18:49 PM] wherebugsgo: so I think it's reasonable to assume scum are in a very tight spot atm [4/18/2012 2:18:57 PM] wherebugsgo: if GM and sandro are both town then it's even better for us [4/18/2012 2:19:16 PM] Jason Pipkin: sandro is very likely town [4/18/2012 2:19:19 PM] Jason Pipkin: I doubt GM is scum [4/18/2012 2:19:23 PM] wherebugsgo: right [4/18/2012 2:19:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: both have outside possibility of being third party to me [4/18/2012 2:19:34 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of VE? [4/18/2012 2:19:54 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm not really sure to be honest [4/18/2012 2:20:06 PM] Jason Pipkin: he claimed he took a hit, basically [4/18/2012 2:20:19 PM] Jason Pipkin: and I had no idea at the time why mafia would put a hit on him [4/18/2012 2:20:40 PM] Jason Pipkin: but he says that apparently around here mafia always put hits on people that are joining with "outside perspectives" [4/18/2012 2:20:46 PM] Jason Pipkin: and other people have agreed with that [4/18/2012 2:20:59 PM] Jason Pipkin: since I've never played here I guess I'm just deferring to the meta for now [4/18/2012 2:21:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I can't see how an outside perspective would be any better than a vt's perspective [4/18/2012 2:21:40 PM] Jason Pipkin: especially given that this is a pm game [4/18/2012 2:21:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: so I would never target him as mafia [4/18/2012 2:22:08 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I don't know him or his reputation or again this whole meta thing about targeting people coming in as replacements [4/18/2012 2:23:04 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [4/18/2012 2:23:09 PM] wherebugsgo: I've never played a game with VE in PMs [4/18/2012 2:23:14 PM] wherebugsgo: but he's actually really good as scum [4/18/2012 2:23:17 PM] wherebugsgo: the thing is in PMs [4/18/2012 2:23:23 PM] wherebugsgo: he kept exaggerating and fear mongering [4/18/2012 2:23:46 PM] wherebugsgo: it was kinda weird [4/18/2012 2:23:50 PM] wherebugsgo: he was trying to make anything fit [4/18/2012 2:23:53 PM] wherebugsgo: to call GM and sandro scum [4/18/2012 2:23:58 PM] wherebugsgo: or to say there was scum in the circle [4/18/2012 2:24:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I have notice this as well [4/18/2012 2:24:38 PM] Jason Pipkin: and if that is his goal, and he's scum, then he's trying the "be so direct that they'll never think I would be so direct" approach [4/18/2012 2:24:43 PM] wherebugsgo: yes [4/18/2012 2:24:47 PM] wherebugsgo: and it has worked for him before [4/18/2012 2:24:49 PM] Jason Pipkin: in any event [4/18/2012 2:24:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: I would love to know what sandroba knows about him to be honest [4/18/2012 2:25:03 PM] wherebugsgo: he thinks he's likely town [4/18/2012 2:25:17 PM] wherebugsgo: did he tell you anything about what happened? [4/18/2012 2:25:20 PM] wherebugsgo: with the hit claim and everything [4/18/2012 2:25:36 PM] Jason Pipkin: I asked him if he was claiming a hit in the thread and why he thoguht he was hit [4/18/2012 2:25:41 PM] Jason Pipkin: he said that he was hit [4/18/2012 2:25:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: and for the reason I already mentioned [4/18/2012 2:25:55 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4/18/2012 2:25:55 PM] wherebugsgo: well [4/18/2012 2:26:12 PM] wherebugsgo: I think I can trust you, but I'd rather not leak info that need not be leaked [4/18/2012 2:30:59 PM] Jason Pipkin: ok back [4/18/2012 2:31:05 PM] Jason Pipkin: my computer bso'd [4/18/2012 2:31:56 PM] wherebugsgo: s'all good [4/18/2012 2:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: basically anyway [4/18/2012 2:32:31 PM] wherebugsgo: I have a few reasons to believe VE is town [4/18/2012 2:32:36 PM] wherebugsgo: but I'm not as concrete as sandro is about him [4/18/2012 2:32:45 PM] wherebugsgo: because I don't agree with sandro on his rationale [4/18/2012 2:33:58 PM] Jason Pipkin: his rationale is just that VE got hit therefore he's town, right? [4/18/2012 2:34:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: that's all I heard anyway [4/18/2012 2:34:50 PM] wherebugsgo: more or less [4/18/2012 2:34:53 PM] wherebugsgo: but there's a little more as well [4/18/2012 2:34:56 PM] wherebugsgo: it's just his claim really [4/18/2012 2:35:06 PM] wherebugsgo: his roleclaim [4/18/2012 2:35:14 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm assuming VE claimed an item someone else has or something [4/18/2012 2:35:22 PM] wherebugsgo: something like that [4/18/2012 2:35:27 PM] wherebugsgo: but it was the manner that made sandro think VE is town [4/18/2012 2:35:35 PM] wherebugsgo: the thing is as scum VE is more than capable of doing what he did [4/18/2012 2:35:42 PM] wherebugsgo: he bussed his scumbuddy in LII randomly [4/18/2012 2:35:46 PM] wherebugsgo: err LI [4/18/2012 2:35:56 PM] wherebugsgo: so I disagree with sandro [4/18/2012 2:35:57 PM] wherebugsgo: but [4/18/2012 2:36:03 PM] wherebugsgo: at this point VE wouldn't make a good lynch anyway [4/18/2012 2:36:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: no he wouldn't [4/18/2012 2:36:20 PM] wherebugsgo: he's just an option [4/18/2012 2:36:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I mean if scum have a power that lets them steal items [4/18/2012 2:37:03 PM] Jason Pipkin: then ostensibly VE could have acquired a town item [4/18/2012 2:37:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I dunno I imagine that whoever was stolen from would have announced that [4/18/2012 2:39:43 PM] wherebugsgo: ye [4/18/2012 2:39:57 PM] wherebugsgo: ntw [4/18/2012 2:39:58 PM] wherebugsgo: btw [4/18/2012 2:40:02 PM] wherebugsgo: did kurumi actually give you his item? [4/18/2012 2:40:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah [4/18/2012 2:42:10 PM] wherebugsgo: what kind of flavor [4/18/2012 2:42:14 PM] wherebugsgo: did you receive? [4/18/2012 2:42:31 PM] Jason Pipkin: what do you mean? [4/18/2012 2:42:33 PM] Jason Pipkin: night one flavor? [4/18/2012 2:42:55 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm not really sure I got any [4/18/2012 2:43:48 PM] wherebugsgo: nah [4/18/2012 2:43:51 PM] wherebugsgo: when receiving the item [4/18/2012 2:44:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh [4/18/2012 2:44:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I got the item and its description [4/18/2012 2:44:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: let me recheck [4/18/2012 2:45:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: no I mean it came at the start of night 1 [4/18/2012 2:45:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: I dunno what I'm supposed to say about the fluff of how I got it story-wise [4/18/2012 2:46:05 PM] Jason Pipkin: DocH seems kind of against that [4/18/2012 2:46:26 PM] Jason Pipkin: it's like one sentence though [4/18/2012 2:46:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: why do yo uask? [4/18/2012 2:48:12 PM] wherebugsgo: well [4/18/2012 2:48:14 PM] wherebugsgo: just curious [4/18/2012 2:48:22 PM] wherebugsgo: sandro basically said [4/18/2012 2:48:28 PM] wherebugsgo: dr. h likes using flavor [4/18/2012 2:48:48 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm curious as to whether the flavor would be helpful in any way [4/18/2012 2:49:32 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I'll ask if I can share that or not [4/18/2012 2:49:51 PM] Jason Pipkin: I mean I don't see why not but maybe he wouldn't allow it | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On April 21 2012 05:17 Snarfs wrote: I'm really looking forward to hearing how the almighty circle operated once this game is all over I think the funny part of the almighty circle is that it isn't a circle. It's a wheel with spokes, with like two/three people at the center that know everything and everyone else on the outside sort of knowing a little bit about the people next to them but not much else. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
While the inner circle is secure now (presumably), it's actions have been tainted since the beginning of the game. I have no faith in checks made before this time. My 2c. | ||
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