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On April 15 2012 11:46 talismania wrote:
Well I think it's clear from his post of suspicions who he would lynch - what's not clear to me is why he didn't think to use the role as a bully pulpit to really make sure that more information would be extracted no matter what.
Good point. I expect much better play from GMarshal in this instance as he should know that instant lynching an active player with NO claim discussion or update on his reads is terrible. All that talk of transparency went right out the window.
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Acrofales had a bomb on him too?
This is what I know so far:
Acrofales targeted grush and his kill action might have worked out in killing him.
l10f targeted Acrofales and his kill went through for sure.
If Mafia KP is 3:
1 went to Acrofales.
1 may have went to grush.
They could have also dropped 2 kills on Acrofales to make sure he died. Either way someone might have taken a hit last night or been medic protected. If you're going to claim please do not specify which one it was.
Since l10f definitely targeted Acrofales it is possible he was correct about something. Time to go back and read his posts and the contexts surrounding them people.
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ah yea I forgot to account for layabout.
I'm going to check both of their posts carefully but from a first thought I don't remember them posting anything I'd consider "will surely be killed by Scum for this".
If you did get hit last night come forward, just don't tell us how you survived.
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l10f is the person that killed Acrofales. I just say "targeting" as thats how I write stuff when modding games so I don't accidentally kill someone who is going to be saved.
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On April 16 2012 16:40 sandroba wrote:
Great how does that help at all? Why would you claim this?
Don't worry. You don't have enough information to know how I'm planning on this to work out.
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Maybe I missed this, but besides the lynch has anything else about the Captaincy been revealed?
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Scared to death of what? Explain
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I'm not pushing any agenda. I just tell people I won't be giving them any critical information in PMs because I don't know their alignment.
You seem to be the only one aside from sandroba to have missed this point.
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Ok let me make this clear: I didn't say I'm not communicating in PMs. I AM playing regular Mafia, I'm just not giving people information before I know their alignment.
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Just letting you know wbg I was on to you just before some fools shot me. I didn't have a case but my scumdar was pinging.
Sorry for your setup not going the way you planned Dr.H. This is why i don't play in PM games. I only signed up because PMs aside I thought the setup would be fun. Bad players as always ruin shit. I don't think sandroba was bad, just stupidly blind. A lot of other players in the game were just as stupid for trusting him so quickly. I think if the Mafia had more disruptive powers that work when they know confirmed information then the Town would have and probably should have lost as fast as Day 3.
But then again that's asking for too much complexity so yea. Good game everyone that wasn't annoying or that actually made the thread somewhat fun to read. Thanks for hosting Dr.H
This was the PM chain with sandroba that pretty much cemented my stance on don't tell people shit unless you are sure they know what they are doing and are 100% confirmed innocent
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From: sandroba [ 2439 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: ss mafia
Date: 4/16/12 17:09
Gahh man the night hits are too weird if this was your scum team. I'll prob decide midway through the day. I'd hate to shoot you and have you flip town. But your fucking claim makes no sense and doesn't help at all.
Can you tell me your thoughts on sinensis/jackal/coagulation?
Original Message From Ace:
do what you want
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Original Message From sandroba:
I'm not begging lol. I'm telling you, you either claim or I shoot you in the face.
Original Message From Ace:
keep your volume down and take those threats elsewhere. You aren't confirmed because you know information. Stop with the dumb logic and stop begging for information.
Original Message From sandroba:
You claimed acro target grush (after i told everybody that) and that l10f targeted acro. I am confirmed because i know a fuck ton of roles and all the important ones are still alive and didn't get roleblocked. Also I directed that vigi kp that hit scum. I'll also kill one more during the day I think.
So if you don't want to be shot down you better come clean. And fucking help me out if you are town.
Original Message From Ace:
I dont know how you are "quadruple" confirmed. And I didn't claim anything in the thread.
Original Message From sandroba:
Rofl, why not? I'm like quadruple confirmed town. And you are basically claiming some sort of tracker in the thread.
Original Message From Ace:
now now, you know I'm not going to claim to you at this point in time
Original Message From sandroba:
Hey, could you claim to me pls? I'm missing just a few.
Dude was begging and thought just because he asked I would tell him my role. Somehow he also thought saying "hey, I'm confirmed" would make me magically sway my decision to tell him stuff like some of the scrubs in this game.
Lastly, if in every post game I ever post in I tell people don't go around making massive Scum/Town posts on Day 1, why the hell do you think I would somehow 180 that advice and give you my reads via PM? I was purposely vague with information to some people just because I didn't trust you guys to be smart enough to screen who you gave info to. Seems like I was right as wbg was all up in the "town circle". I never even give Ver and Incognito info in PM games and since they are 100x smarter about locking info than the people begging me you must be out of your fucking minds to think I'd give you anything. At least learn how to compartmentalize your information.
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On April 21 2012 17:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 17:52 sandroba wrote:On April 21 2012 17:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can't tell what you were doing in PM land unfortunately, I stopped paying attention to the thread and alien QT in large part after my arguments with WBG so whatever you did to salvage your play after the shot on Ace went unnoticed, most of what I posted in my post-game was copy pasted from a document I started at that time and hadn't updated.
If all the vig shots were your doing that's good. You did well getting all the information you did, but the shot on Ace was a really bad call. Were you operating under the assumption that thief was a scum-exclusive role as well? Yes. The vigi shot on ace was not accurate. LOL. Am I supposed to be completely infallible? However all the other shots and lynches I orchestrated were. If you compare myself to perfect I'm sure I'll come up short. Sorry. I must suck. There's a reason it was a bad shot beyond his alignment, mainly that he was exhibition no scummy behaviors but keep harping at me if you can't take even the smallest amount of criticism. Id on't feel shitty enough about this game already.
This. I wasn't shot because I was scummy. I honestly don't even know how I came off as Scummy but w/e. I was shot because I didn't want to cooperate with some make believe Town circle. I stated like 4 times in the thread I didn't trust whoever sandroba was PMing with and got shot due to me not going a long with his iron fist dictatorship or believing his bullshit about being confirmed Town.
@Vayesh: I don't think he broke the setup. I didn't notice any abuse of game mechanics to one up Scum except lots of yelling and bitching for people to claim to him. *Shrug*
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On April 21 2012 18:21 sandroba wrote:
Sorry for shooting you ace, but I expected you to correctly identify me as town and help me rape scum. You acted in the same pattern as mafia and that's why I shot you. Also I respect your scum game and wanted to eliminate variables that lead us to lose.
I don't know how many times I have to say this. I don't trust the people sandroba is PMing with. I'm not telling you anything because you can't keep information to yourself and the people you were PMing with I guessed would be Scum.
I wasn't wrong about this.
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Also Dr.H the camera did help me a lot 
Here is the outline of the plan I cooked up:
I know that the Mafia had 3 KP on Night 1.
2 Town players died. 1 Scum.
Based on the camera this is what I know:
Acrofales bombed grush
l1of hit Acrofales
From the Night post:
layabout is killed.
Even if layabout wasn't killed by Scum, there is at least 1 Scum KP missing.
I was hoping that the player who got hit would claim to have been hit without revealing how (Vet or Medic prot). Even if it was by PM I was then going to cam that player the next night assuming no new critical information reached the thread.
My reasoning was that any player that got hit Night 1 probably was in a PM circle of some sort and knew too much information. If the Mafia was hitting that player and failed, I was betting on that guy going wild in PM land and becoming an even bigger threat Night 2. I'd learn something since that player should have an action of some sort. From this I was going to start extrapolating my "Most likely Town" list.
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