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Yikes, Lyter, that was a bit late if you're hoping to save yourself... But on the good side, I'll add my vote to yours right now.
##Unvote: Lyter
##Vote: Gossemerr
That first post of Gossemerr you quote isn't just contradicted by what he does later on... But mostly, it's also an acknowledged metagame change!
I'm not sure what could possibly have brought that metagame change, either. The guy we lynched day 1 last game can hardly be called a lurker - It's true that he contributed nothing, but his presence was known and seen by all. He was a spammy town not a lurker, kind of like era this game. And one of the 2 lurkiest players in the game did turn out to be scum. That doesn't seem to justify a metagame switch at all!
Lynch him! Lyyyynch him! *diabolical laugh*
Ahem, I mean... I'm comfortable enough lynching Gossemerr on meta and info we have now.
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On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote:
Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus
##Unvote: Lyter
So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that.
##Vote: LazinCajun
You missed my point entirely. I was just trying to get lyter to post SOMETHING before he got bandwagoned.
If anything, my argument was about keeping a (potential) blue alive -- I argued that IF he happened to be blue, was better to roleclaim than to just get mislynched.
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Current vote count:
Lyter (4): Gossemerr, Nova_Terra, Bocki, LazinCajun
Gossemerr (4): Lyter, era, Therapist, BlueyD
LazinCajun (1): imallinson
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I still don't think role calling would have been good in the situation, he's most likely dead either way. I will wait until Gossemerr defends himself to change my vote though, I'm not entirely sure about him yet.
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When is the deadline? I have been busy with school and am currently at school, have not even read the thread in a day. Fail on my part. I would not lynch me though based off this, I have just been busy. What little I did read why did everyone switch to me for just voting for Lyter lols. BTW the vote was a pressure vote.. just wanted him to talk. Now I have to leave my vote on Lyter as I don't want a mis-lynch on me. I'll post a lot more tonight when I get home; that is if I'm not dead.
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Also read BlueyDs post, my early voting is the same meta as all my other games... go read them.
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It's about an hour to the deadline.
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Sorry, dinner ran late and i wont be able to make my table tonight due to being on an IPad right now T-T
The fact that Lyter came back to defend himself is good, however in my mind it does not make him any more innocent. A scum would want to come back and defend himself more than a townie.
What Lyter has not pointed out is both 1. Gossemerr's 3 posts have had content, which up until now his have not (and same with many other people in the game) and 2. Gossemerr's early aggression is a common trait in his meta.
Also, anyone who changes their vote to Gossemerr from Lyter who uses the reasoning of sudden accusation is totally hypocritical, as they just jumped on a bandwagon TWICE.
I am leaving my vote, for these reasons and also because the developments happened way after the soft deadline that i proposed.
If Lyter flips scum, Gosse is pretty much innocent, and the other way around. However, Lyters contribution came AFTER he was pressured, and therefore i find him more scummy.
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We only have an hour left. This is certainly getting interesting 
I agree with you about Gossemerr imallinson. I'd like to hear if he has anything else to say in the little time we have left today.
I do think Lyter's post is a good one. I skimmed it at first and thought it was a case of OMGUS, but reading it in detail the reasoning seems pretty sound considering how little info we have to work with.
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On April 05 2012 05:57 Nova_Terra wrote:
The fact that Lyter came back to defend himself is good, however in my mind it does not make him any more innocent. A scum would want to come back and defend himself more than a townie.
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This part makes no sense, regardless what I am I would want to defend myself lol, unless I was like a jester which isn't in this game
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Also i saw the strange thing about Gossemerr's voting stance but i think its not anything at all as he said he would want to no-lynch if there was nobody sufficiently susp. and we cant no-lynch, which also confused me (coming from 2 games in a row with majority lynch with no-lynch). Not a big reason to vote him...
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On April 05 2012 06:00 Lyter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:57 Nova_Terra wrote:
The fact that Lyter came back to defend himself is good, however in my mind it does not make him any more innocent. A scum would want to come back and defend himself more than a townie.
. This part makes no sense, regardless what I am I would want to defend myself lol, unless I was like a jester which isn't in this game
As i was a mafia last game, i was much more concerned with defending myself than i was/am now. Also scum has a responsibility to their team, and are less likely to become bored and abandon the game. I did not say that you wouldnt want to defend yourself as a townie, just that scum would come back just as easily if not more so.
Unrelated, lol@ Jester, do you play sc2 mafia? xD
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1 Hour to deadline!
Current vote count:
Lyter (4): Gossemerr, Nova_Terra, Bocki, LazinCajun
Gossemerr (4): Lyter, era, Therapist, BlueyD
LazinCajun (1): imallinson
With no voting changes, Lyter will be lynched!
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I did yea, I don't even know what that is called in forum mafia, but anyway, if i'm getting owned 6-0 on votes, I have to def myself, it isn't going to change around if I sit and do nothing.
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On April 05 2012 04:48 Lyter wrote:1.OK, so apparently in my absence everyone decided they wanted me dead, fair enough. I don't really have much in the way of declaring my innocence through past actions as this is the first day, so there is no backlog of votes and reasoning for you to go off. I could scream my role at you, but that probably wouldn't help at all as you have no reason to believe I'm telling truth as there have been no nights for me to exercise said role yet. 2.However I will make a case against another player after reading through everyone's filter which is pretty tough because the vast majority have said nothing other than 2 liners simply restating what some guy prior has already said. I'm voting for Gossemerr. This guy has posted a grand 3 times, and his last post was the first vote against me. This act in itself however massively contradicts something he said earlier, surely it can't be so hard to have a little consistency in the way you act across 3 posts? Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 09:40 Gossemerr wrote:
Was not expecting this to start so soon...
Anyway, before I was for lynching lurkers D1, but I think my mind has changed. Lurkers are not really a problem D1 considering they have been town usually in my experience. I would like to make an educated lynch on someone who is leaning scum this time around, or a no lynch if nobody fits the bill.
Regarding the stuff on BlueyD: doesn't seem very scummy to. First was an obvious joke, next few are just explaining things after being called out. 3.This was his first post, actively stating that he will not lynch due to lurking, and either do it off suspicion, or vote no lynch, so of course it makes sense for him to begin the lynch train right?Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 09:16 Gossemerr wrote:Alright I think seviro does not know the game started or something considering no posts. Lyter on the other had has not said much of anything. Response to me asking why he asked who is scum: On April 03 2012 17:17 Lyter wrote:
Well I was doing this called sleeping :D but then nothing else. Lyter why do you think BlueyD is playing so aggressive right now? ##Vote: LyterGotta start somewhere. 4.This was his last post, in which he started the bandwagon against me. Oh and the reason I think the reason you ask me what I think of BlueyD is not to get a response off of me for you to get a read of me, but so the rest of town has someone to look at, in fact 2 people for the town to look at, they get my response for a read, and then of course putting more pressure on BlueyD who has already had a fair bit of attention, diverting attention away from actually making progress. But instead keeping eyes elsewhere. ##vote Gossemerr
Gonna analyse this case a little bit
1. Fluff section, explains why he cant defend himself to defend himself?
2. Tells us who hes voting for, and makes it fluffy in that he briefly explains his decision which we will explain just a second later
3. I think i tried to explain this a bit, he didnt find anyone inherently scummy, and a no lynch isnt possible. i dont see another option.
4. Or maybe it is. Just defensive WIFOM.
Summary: Case doesnt have much in it, and the biggest section is WIFOM. I'm actually a bit suspicious of people who flop from Lyter to Gosse because of this.
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Oh no, I totally agree about defending yourself, but i just wanted to point out the fact that you defend yourself (by making a case vs someone else and explaining why you cant defend yourself) does not make you less suspicious, at least in my eyes.
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And I'm not saying it does make me less suspicious either, just that you can't make any judgement or leanings from that there is a defence
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then we both effectively said the same thing and happened to misunderstand eachother o.o
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come on everybody, its close to the deadline, i want everybody to be posting if you can be here
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On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote:
Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus
##Unvote: Lyter
So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that.
##Vote: LazinCajun
As i feel like i need to be doing something, i just want to note why the reasons to flop around are also not good.
Starting withh imallinson.
first part: why should anyone other than lyter have defended himself? what? If i make a case against somebody and he defends it, does that mean i am more likely scum because i didnt defend something?
second part: Lazin clarified that (multiple times) reasonably well. if Lyter is blue and was about to be lynched, it is sufficient a reason to claim blue so town at least doesnt totally waste a lynch (and probably out a blue, as i dont think a mafia would try to claim blue day 1 when someone could just counterclaim him)
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