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On April 05 2012 05:20 era wrote:Things are heating up. I am going to have to agree with Lyter. Grossemerrs accusation was very sudden and it was mostly based on Which Lyter propably was since he usually posts late at night and doesnt post again until around 5, which is propably when gets off work/school. ##Unvote: Lyter
##Vote: Gossemerr
Second: era
Sudden accusations ARE day 1. also, your bandwagoning on Lyter was very sudden, and also mostly based on that. And bandwagoning is more scummy than starting a vote aggressively is.
The fact that he was probably sleeping doesnt mean that he cant post content afterwards instead of that >.>
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EBWOP: At least it wasnt a 1 liner 
On April 05 2012 05:23 Therapist. wrote:
Such a quiet day one. I am going to agree with Lyter that Gossemerr did manage to contradict himself already by lynching a lurker straight after saying he didn't want to lynch a lurker. Pretty strange.
##Unvote
##Vote: Gossemerr
Last, currently, Therapist.
Entire flop based on the fact that Gossemerr has to lynch a lurker after saying he doesnt want to. But what can he do otherwise? Nothing!
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On April 05 2012 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote:
Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus
##Unvote: Lyter
So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that.
##Vote: LazinCajun As i feel like i need to be doing something, i just want to note why the reasons to flop around are also not good. Starting withh imallinson. first part: why should anyone other than lyter have defended himself? what? If i make a case against somebody and he defends it, does that mean i am more likely scum because i didnt defend something? second part: Lazin clarified that (multiple times) reasonably well. if Lyter is blue and was about to be lynched, it is sufficient a reason to claim blue so town at least doesnt totally waste a lynch (and probably out a blue, as i dont think a mafia would try to claim blue day 1 when someone could just counterclaim him)
My point is there is one more scum out there assuming Lyter is scum then they would be risking losing half their number if they don't defend him. It certainly doesn't remove all suspicion from him but enough for me think he is a bad lynch today. As for Lazin I have been reasonably convinced of his motives the only reason I haven't changed my vote is I haven't been convinced as to anyone else's scummyness.
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There's not enough evidence to do one thing over another at this point. After today's lynching and the night actions we'll actually have something to work with. I have no reason to believe anyone is town over mafia at this point. You're probably right - chances are that he was in fact just trying to kick some conversation up. And it did work.
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Final vote count:
Lyter (4): Gossemerr, Nova_Terra, Bocki, LazinCajun BlueyD, era, Therapist.
Gossemerr (4): Lyter, era, Therapist., BlueyD
LazinCajun (1): imallinson
Lyter will be lynched as he reached 4 votes first.
Night 1![[image loading]](http://funnydoom.com/wp-content/gallery/15the_goat_tower/the_goat_tower-0007.jpg)
The god goats had slowly gotten used to their new form, and learned basic communication on that very day. The sun still shining brighly upon their faces, they walked across Asgard until they found it. The fabled goat tower was the one positive thing that this whole experience had brought. Known as a land of fun only allowed for goats, the herd had made its stop here. The reason however was not one of pleasure but of truth, as they tried to figure out which of the goats was responsible. Loki was the one they were after, but the goats could barely distinguish eachother in this shape, let alone find the god of trickery himself.
After a lot of pandering, bickering and meh'ing, was chosen to be executed. He was forced to climb the goat tower and jump off from it. Lyter jumped off, and ended up with just a minor bruise as it turned out the goat tower was only about 6 feet high. Discovering that this method was not very effective, the other goats decided to ram their horns into Lyter's helpless body, killing him instantly. He changed back into his original shape and it became clear that they killed Váli, one of Odin's sons.
Lyter the townie has been brutally lynched!
Night has begun! It will last until 21:59 GMT (+00:00) on Thursday April 5th. All night actions must be PMed to both myself and ghost_403 this night.
Reminder: Coaching is available from both GreYMisT and Jitsu should you feel the need to call upon their services.
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On April 05 2012 06:43 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:34 Nova_Terra wrote:On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote:
Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus
##Unvote: Lyter
So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that.
##Vote: LazinCajun As i feel like i need to be doing something, i just want to note why the reasons to flop around are also not good. Starting withh imallinson. first part: why should anyone other than lyter have defended himself? what? If i make a case against somebody and he defends it, does that mean i am more likely scum because i didnt defend something? second part: Lazin clarified that (multiple times) reasonably well. if Lyter is blue and was about to be lynched, it is sufficient a reason to claim blue so town at least doesnt totally waste a lynch (and probably out a blue, as i dont think a mafia would try to claim blue day 1 when someone could just counterclaim him) My point is there is one more scum out there assuming Lyter is scum then they would be risking losing half their number if they don't defend him. It certainly doesn't remove all suspicion from him but enough for me think he is a bad lynch today. As for Lazin I have been reasonably convinced of his motives the only reason I haven't changed my vote is I haven't been convinced as to anyone else's scummyness.
Ahh, looks like i misunderstood what you meant D:
Still, I dont think that a mafia would try hard to defend another mafia and make it apparent. You would gain a lot of townie cred if you went heavy on him instead and he died and flipped red, whereas if you defend him and he still dies, you are also screwed.
Its just WIFOM. not enough reason to flip from him to gossemerr.
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Unfortunate, but not unexpected. There was a 7/9 chance of him being a townie.  This was such a bandwagon lynch, I'm not sure how much information we can really take out of this. The only potential thing I can think of is that the convenience of Lyter being a lurker might've made him a prime target for Gossemerr if he were mafia to randomly call out. Although drawing attention to himself and getting conversation started isn't the way a mafia would want to behave. Maybe we'll get a night read from someone.
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tut tut
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Oh well Just looking at the numbers, odds were that we wouldn't get scum, and I guess there are worse things than having a green get lynched day 1.
So now I pose the question: Does Lyter flipping green make Gossemerr more scummy?
I have an answer to this, but I think more info can be obtained by waiting for Gossemerr to respond.
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EBWOP: Lazin, sry, not gossemerr.
damn, that sucks.
Also as he flipped green it could also be a clever way to make yourself(imallinson) seem unrelated to the lyter vote. Once again, just WIFOM though, not worth suspicion.
As far as day 1 lynches go, that wasnt too terrible, at least. Had he put in a bit more effort before he was accused, that could have been avoided easily.
Also, Therapist, if you wouldnt prefer 1 lynch over the other, why would you flop (in a suspicious manner between two bandwagons) to gossemerr? still less reason to vote him...
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Night kill generally just provokes a ton of WIFOM. hard to glean much meaning from it, but we'll see.
Therapist, please tell me, what are your current thoughts on era? how likely is he to be scum in your eyes (rough percentage) and why?
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Lazin, as far as statistics are concerned, it does make gossemerr more scummy xD
No, I think it doesnt make him any more scummy. Why? mafia doesnt like initiating a vote aggressively on someone they know to be town. it could be a clever ploy, but i still see that as normal town play.
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Going to bed, will post in morning
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Sorry I missed the last hour, I had to go workout and eat dinner. Sad that we lynched a townie, but it could have been worse.
On April 05 2012 07:19 Nova_Terra wrote:
Lazin, as far as statistics are concerned, it does make gossemerr more scummy xD
No, I think it doesnt make him any more scummy. Why? mafia doesnt like initiating a vote aggressively on someone they know to be town. it could be a clever ploy, but i still see that as normal town play.
I don't think you can say that it doesn't make Gossemerr more suspicious just because hes being aggressive and thats not what mafia usually does, He could just be breaking the meta to not look suspicious. I think that it does make Gossemerr more of a suspect since Lyter turned out to be a townie.
Also does iamallison look more suspicious since she changed her vote to lazin? Maybe to try to make herself look more innocent?
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In defense of Gossemerr:
It's true, as Gossemerr says, that his early voting does fit his meta from last game. He was also the first to put a vote on there.
Lyter flipping green really says nothing on Goss. If Goss hadn't put the first vote, someone else would have. Lyter was hands down the most inactive at that point, so the act of putting the first vote on him is totally fine by me.
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And now, the bad...
Actual quote:
Anyway, before I was for lynching lurkers D1, but I think my mind has changed. Lurkers are not really a problem D1 considering they have been town usually in my experience. I would like to make an educated lynch on someone who is leaning scum this time around, or a no lynch if nobody fits the bill.
What I don't understand is why he went "okay guys, I've got a new stance on lynching lurkers this game!" with an explanation that made no real sense, and then just acted the same way he did last game anyway (as he brings up himself). That's where the contradiction is for me.
That's not a very heavy case, admittedly, but on day 1 it's difficult to do a lot better than this.
Please note that my reasons for this flip were different than the 3 other guys', though they sprang from the same Gossemerr post. Awaiting his defense now.
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Also I think that anyone who voted for Lyter made a big mistake, because he actually defended himself (even if it was a weak defense), while grossemere basicly blew it off and said that he is busy and that he will defend himself later.
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Era's pretty accusatory. But who isn't day one? He jumped off the bandwagon against Lyter which I thought was the right thing to do. So far I don't think he's very likely to be mafia, but he hasn't said much.
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Okidok. I will take the blame for that wagon. Even though I didn't even make a case so there shouldn't have been one in the first place. I voted to pressure him to talk. I WAS planning on retracting my vote if he said something of worth. Life stuff got in the way and couldn't post until earlier. I would have retracted my vote, but if I did -> I would die and it would be a for sure mis-lynch. And yeah my mind has changed since EVERY SINGLE time I have voted to lynch a hardcore lurker D1, they have been town. How the hell didn't I explain my stance in that quote BlueyD? I never said I wouldn't pressure peeps.
Moving on, I'm going to post an analysis tonight after food, ect.
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There is not much going on to at the moment to analyze. We need to start up some conversations.
BlueyD
On April 03 2012 00:30 BlueyD wrote:
I'm sc... Er, I mean townie! Green townie. That's it. Don't lynch me.
Lynch Nova_Terra instead. He's scum. He proved it last game.
I'm starting with this quote only to bring attention to the joke. At first I deemed it meaningless (as stated by BlueyD himself in this next quote), but I am beginning to reconsider that stance. I'll expand on this more as I go along here.
On April 03 2012 03:52 BlueyD wrote:I'm just playing around before the game really picks up and I have to be more serious. By the way, my name is BlueyD, and I've been a mafiaholic for... How many years already? Nahh, this is my second game ever. My first game's filter can be found here: SNMM IX BlueyD filterI was townie and was in the game until the end. We lost. You can see me both on the offensive and the defensive in there, so it can be a useful resource. I won't tell you how to interpret the filter; if you're curious, go see for yourself. ---------- That's pretty much all I have to say today. Given that an inactive not voting on the last day caused our doom last game, I'm all for lynching the most inactive person unless a good case comes up. So, post your greetings and introductions, ladies!
Omitting a post where he defends talking about meta. Next post,
On April 04 2012 04:44 BlueyD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 17:44 Nova_Terra wrote:
(...) The fact that we would prefer an info lynch over a lurker lynch is not an excuse to lurk >.> It's no excuse, but it's part of the explanation for the lack of activity, the other part being it hasn't been 24 hours since the start of the game, and some people might not even know it began. But then again, we've got a lot of one-line heroes here. It's the start of the game, you can't say "let's lynch on information" when you have no information, and you're certainly not motivating people to speak up when they could just shut up and give you no information to work with. This is why people threaten to lynch on lurking at the start of a game, even when they'd rather lynch on info: this is how we get information to work with in the first place. Another way is to threaten to lynch on meta, but good luck doing that in a newbie game. To those who openly say they like the idea of an info lynch: How do you intend to get that information in the first place?
To those who side with the idea of a lurker lynch so far, given the lack of info: Welcome to the club! Have a coupon for free coffee.
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My reply of epic proportions to era's attempt to make a case on me (be ready for my first wall of text of the game, guys):
[spoiler]LOL[/spoiler]
There is a difference between pressuring by voting, and actually voting to lynch someone based off a case. I just did the pressure vote, which kinda failed as I stated earlier. The underlined part of this post is another "joke." You keep making these when they are not really necessary. At best it clogs the thread and confuses people, at worst it pisses people off and brings unneeded emotion into arguments among all of us. You already alluded that you were going to be more serious, but it does not look that way. Now, lets bring in your concept of voting based on a meta change. In our last game (BlueyD posted a link for those that want to read it) you were pretty serious and straightforward the entire game. Do you now feel the need to lighten the mood due to feeling some anxiety as a result of being a scum?
Which brings me to his next post:
On April 05 2012 05:35 BlueyD wrote:
Yikes, Lyter, that was a bit late if you're hoping to save yourself... But on the good side, I'll add my vote to yours right now.
##Unvote: Lyter
##Vote: Gossemerr
That first post of Gossemerr you quote isn't just contradicted by what he does later on... But mostly, it's also an acknowledged metagame change!
I'm not sure what could possibly have brought that metagame change, either. The guy we lynched day 1 last game can hardly be called a lurker - It's true that he contributed nothing, but his presence was known and seen by all. He was a spammy town not a lurker, kind of like era this game. And one of the 2 lurkiest players in the game did turn out to be scum. That doesn't seem to justify a metagame switch at all!
Lynch him! Lyyyynch him! *diabolical laugh*
Ahem, I mean... I'm comfortable enough lynching Gossemerr on meta and info we have now.
Here he tries to say that I have an unjustified meta switch, even though he was in the last game when I did the same early pressure vote. He also votes for me based off basically nothing when he wanted to lynch a lurker originally (unless a case was made; I can't really see Lyter's post as a good enough case to warrant my vote), and effectively jumping on the already steam-rolling wagon on me. This behavior is contradictory. Finally, again another "joke" is underlined.
And for the last post:
On April 05 2012 07:57 BlueyD wrote:
In defense of Gossemerr:
It's true, as Gossemerr says, that his early voting does fit his meta from last game. He was also the first to put a vote on there.
Lyter flipping green really says nothing on Goss. If Goss hadn't put the first vote, someone else would have. Lyter was hands down the most inactive at that point, so the act of putting the first vote on him is totally fine by me.
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And now, the bad...
Actual quote:
Anyway, before I was for lynching lurkers D1, but I think my mind has changed. Lurkers are not really a problem D1 considering they have been town usually in my experience. I would like to make an educated lynch on someone who is leaning scum this time around, or a no lynch if nobody fits the bill.
What I don't understand is why he went "okay guys, I've got a new stance on lynching lurkers this game!" with an explanation that made no real sense, and then just acted the same way he did last game anyway (as he brings up himself). That's where the contradiction is for me.
That's not a very heavy case, admittedly, but on day 1 it's difficult to do a lot better than this.
Please note that my reasons for this flip were different than the 3 other guys', though they sprang from the same Gossemerr post. Awaiting his defense now.
First part of this post basically contradicts everything he states earlier. Second part just brings up meta again, which he already stated before. Last blurb: how exactly are your reasons different when its the same as what Lyter basically said? Don't take this as an OMGUS post; I did my reading and made an analysis.
For now:
##FoS: BlueyD
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On April 05 2012 07:48 era wrote:Sorry I missed the last hour, I had to go workout and eat dinner. Sad that we lynched a townie, but it could have been worse. Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:19 Nova_Terra wrote:
Lazin, as far as statistics are concerned, it does make gossemerr more scummy xD
No, I think it doesnt make him any more scummy. Why? mafia doesnt like initiating a vote aggressively on someone they know to be town. it could be a clever ploy, but i still see that as normal town play. I don't think you can say that it doesn't make Gossemerr more suspicious just because hes being aggressive and thats not what mafia usually does, He could just be breaking the meta to not look suspicious. I think that it does make Gossemerr more of a suspect since Lyter turned out to be a townie. Also does iamallison look more suspicious since she changed her vote to lazin? Maybe to try to make herself look more innocent?
I dont think you can say that it makes him more suspicious seeing as you are basing that on the other side of the WIFOM.
please explain what you mean by Gossemerr is more susp because Lyter flipped town. Statisticwise, yeah, but If a townie makes a bad case day 1 and ends up lynched, that doesnt make the person they accused more suspicious, maybe if the case had a bit more merit though.
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