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Except there is some unique cases, if both Nova and Seviro are scum obviously they are going to vote for the opposite. Also it is possible that Virtu is scum and since hes not voting we can't really look into it. Mafia most likely has 3/8 active voters right now (if virtu is town) the fact that the Seviro vote is going a bit too smooth worries me. | ||
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If we lynch Seviro and Seviro flips scum, Michael would be off my radar, and Nova would still remain suspicious. If we lynch Nova_Terra and he flips town, I would be highly suspicious, and ninja4ever would be partially suspicious. If we lynch Nova_Terra and he flips scum, I would be off the radar, and ninja4ever wouldn't be that suspicious." This is what I said, and I still stand by it. However, lynch first who you think is scummiest, not by what information it can give you. Seviro is for sure the safest lynch, information wise. But either way, if we don't lynch a scum today its a huge loss, nothing can give us more information than a scum lynch. Right now Michael is kinda looking town but im not sure, he pushed the first case/vote against seviro today. Which would be ambitious for a mafia player to do, however he pushed Artanis really hard day one, this doesn't make him scummy. But it is possible that scum was taking advantage of a town slip to really kill an active townie day 1. Also WIFOM from the night kill leads me to believe mafia wanted us to go after Michael because Froggy put a case on him, then died. Only other significant thing Froggy did was point out an inconsistency on Seviro. So it kinda leads back to Seviro because at the first of the day Seviro put a case on Michael, to hope to get someone would agree with him and get a bandwagon on him, later on someone would surely mention the WIFOM to strengthen the case on Michael. But, this is all too WIFOM for me to base important decisions on. | ||
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1. Just looking at the people voting Nova_Terra, I trust them a lot less than the people voting Seviro. Nova_Terra voters: Seviro - No trust, Gossemer - semi trust, ninja4ever - No trust Seviro voters: Nova_terra - No trust, Artanis - almost complete trust, blueyD semi trust, Michael - Null. 2. Nova_Terra was the first person to defend Artanis, now the closest to confirmed town we have. On March 24 2012 02:20 Nova_Terra wrote: The gist of it: Ok, fair enough. I just feel that Seviro is in a position where myself or a few other posters here could be in. I feel a bit weird about that o.o nice catch on that slip, but seeing as this IS a newbie game, it isnt very telling. at all. I hate that it works that way, but yeah, i should think that scum slips (even if they are from townies) will happen relatively often. Anyways, as a general note to everybody, please dont make assumptions like this (even if they are about me.) i would prefer us to be looking at all the options than i would have us assuming peoples roles, at least in our minds. Artanis, can you tell me your thoughts on Rise of Fenix? if it came down between him and a lurker, who would you rather lynch and why? It was quick and reactionary, and wasn't a bandwagon opinion. 3. Nova's defense was bad yes, but so was Seviros. I feel Seviro has been just replying to anything even mentioning him from day 1, and responding in an aggressive tone. 4. Nova's reponse when time is running out/desparation. - Is posting analyses on people who were considered suspicious. Seems like he is genuinely worried for the towns well being after hes gone. As shown above. 5.Seviro is the safer lynch, if he flips town I think it gives us more of a direction on certain people he interacted with. This is the hardest choice I've had in this game by far, I hope it turns out for the best. I would like people to take the discussion from the scummy traits to why you think who you are voting for is the better candidate of the two. This could bring in some new good points I didn't think of. Please give me your opinion on this, I will be back in 2 hours, and am willing to re-look at the evidence and change my vote back. ##Unvote: Nova_Terra ##Vote: Seviro | ||
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Alright, michael is now officially looking scum for me. However, if michael is scum, why would Seviro as scum put a case against him? So this makes Seviro look less scummy. But why would Michael vote Nova if Nova is scum? It looks like he's trying to create confusion and get a no-lynch, directly after I changed my vote to Seviro. Note he waits till after I do this to say anything. It seems like 2/3 of these guys are scum. Why would he go for the majority on Nova if nova was scum, it would be so hard to get a majority lynch... If he got a no-lynch it would save a scum, if not, he could say he voted a scum off, making him innocent. So a safe bet? Last minute bus? Seviro's vote switch is really odd. But it isn't influenced by my vote switch as we both posted at the same time. Why would Seviro vote himself? As mafia, trying to add confusion and get a no-lynch, would only want a no-lynch if both him and Nova were mafia, as it coulda went either way. As town, he actually was looking out for the best of the towns interests and doesn't want a no-lynch to go through. Realizes this lynch will bring important information to the table. If 2/3 of these guys are mafia, what is the most likely mafia duo? Michael/Nova -> Most Likely Nova/Seviro Seviro/Michael -> Least Likely IMO. Keep the discussion up we need a solid choice. Artanis don't just shift to Seviro, we have enough activity that we can discuss this legit. | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or perhaps that's just exactly what Mafia wants us to think because they realize it's the only chance to save Seviro at this point. Too much WIFOM, and you're questioning it to the point that I'm starting to question your legitimacy. Artanis I am just really confused by Michaels play, he can't be town. How can anyone be that terrible? My last two posts were a reaction to me just getting back and reading this garbage, unproductive mafia propghanda confusion. Right now you are the only person I trust in the game. I would like discussion on this recent matter cause I want to pressure this ridiculousness. But in the end I think either Nova or Seviro would be a good lynch at least for information, and if we are lucky. They are both scum. In the end I'm gunna leave the call to you, because a no lynch is unacceptable. I will vote the way you think the majority vote, should and is most likely to go. | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's just been too many mafia tricks this day. They're definitely doing a good job throwing us off. The only reason I can imagine for this is because there's a mafia on the chopping block. Seviro was the likely candidate to get lynched and him voting for himself makes more sense for scum then town, since it's basically just another trick in the book. Tricks are things mafia uses a lot more often than town. Too many attempts at confusion lead me to believe we've got the right target. You make a good point. Lets be confident in our analysis and go from there after the flip. | ||
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On top of that I looked like an idiot, cause instead of straight analysis I have been doing I was doing more of what if's piled on top of what if's with crazy master plans. I will go back to what works, good plain old logic. Depending on the flip/if we get a replacement will decide how our night discussion goes. I'm done posting in this game for tonight, I will come back to check the flip. | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:24 Gossemerr wrote: I need to post something before I go away for a while, as it REALLY bothers me: Mementoss, the apparently super green townie Mementoss did this EXACT SAME thing last game. For those of you whom didn't read it: He was a scum that game, and he basically said this "either Seviro (who was also in that game, was town) or Gossemerr (me, was also town) are scum, but NOT both." Basically it meant that if we followed his logic then we would lose two townies. It so happened that we lynched Seviro and the game ended because of mod kills, but you all should get my point. I don't like this shit. Its like adding connections where they should not be, in order to influence votes. Here look at this earlier quote: He clearly states that we should not be adding connections above, very clearly actually. Also he did this same thing last game at the same time, when the next day would be a lynch or lose situation. If we lynch wrong D3 we lose already, unless there are more blues (but I don't think so as there was only one last game). notice how, Seviro flipped town.. If he is scum, this would be another smart play to make sure the game is won. All of us remaining town really need to read and analyze tonight. If you are scared to post because you might be murdered, just post with like <5 minutes left or whatever before the night post (I will probably do the same in case I die tomorrow as well). ##FoS: Mementoss I'm town. Right now my opinion is that I could be off that they were one of them were scum. But I had more of a feeling Nova was scum than Seviro, but with Artanis (one of the most influencal players) keeping his Seviro vote, Seviro actually voting himself and running off, and virtu a player who would not be posting all voted Seviro. Seviro voting himself as town was a really stupid move. It basically made it impossible to get a majority on Nova if we wanted it. He made it seem as he wasn't going to post before nights end then made a good post before he died. -_-. If Nova was scum, with 3 mafia in play, Seviro, +3 mafia, + virtu. Made a majority for him almost no matter what. How is the above a connection? I did not connect 2 players, I basically said what information we could get from the flip. As for the lynch, I actually think going for a Nova lynch in a lynch right or lose situation is a really risky move. And would rather go for these new suspicions from the flip/Seviro's confirmed town last dieing words. All WIFOM though not a strong case leads me back to michael. Will go into this further later. From my experience in mini's the 3 person mafia team usually has the following team composition: The Controller (Tries to control the town's opinion) - This case Michael (SNMM VIII - Mementoss) The Semi-Contributer (Pops in with a opinion when its convienent) - This case BlueyD>Nova>>Gossemer (SNMM VIII - Janaan) The Semi-Lurker (Barely ever posts, but posts just enough) - This case Ninja4ever or Virtu (SNMM VIII - Cosine) Also I underlined your last opinion, how bout no. That is a scummy statement. We want people to keep the discussion up or the town is doomed. Don't worry about dieing, worry about saying something that leads to a scum kill after your death. Honestly, I don't think anyone should be worried about dieing. There are only two possible mafia kills in my eyes. 1. Artanis 2. Mementoss Probably not me anymore because I am thought of as less green than before by a couple townies. Lets not worry about confirming town, lets worry about nailing scum. Post your best analysis tonight, post what you think will get a kill tomorrow. We can still win this with good play, hopefully virtu was town and we get a good replacement. After the first one it should only get easier. | ||
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Alright off of the game balance talk, Nova, if you are town. Please step it up today. I want to hear some good analysis from you. As of late you have at least been putting logic into your play. Make your best analysis you ever made ever. We need everyone on board asap. That being said, I plan on doing a huge post later today on my thoughts on this game. Hopefully I can get some good analysis, and good cases and figure it out. | ||
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