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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 20 2012 14:29 GMT
#6
/in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 20 2012 16:18 GMT
#9
On March 21 2012 00:47 Nova_Terra wrote:
/in


Ah so we meet again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 20 2012 16:48 GMT
#14
Almost SNMM VIII again with different roles and hopefully less afk ^-^


On March 21 2012 01:39 sc2system wrote:
/in

First Time take it easy on me <3


Welcome to TL mafia, as long as you put some effort into reading the thread and posting, and vote every day cycle. Nobody will hate you AFKer's ruin newbie games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 22 2012 11:41 GMT
#80
On March 22 2012 15:06 Gossemerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 13:43 BlueyD wrote:
Hey, I'm BlueyD and this is my first game of Mafia ever, but I've read a few here on TL and I think I have a good feel for how this works.

This said, it's been 3 hours since we've gotten our roles, and no one has spoken yet. I'd like to see everyone at least post to confirm activity. Whoever doesn't start posting is already suspicious at worst, and useless at best. We don't want any mafia hiding among the lurkers. I'll personally support lynching an inactive unless something pretty big happens.

Good luck to all, and may the most able survive!



Three hours is not cause for alarm at the start of the game ha.

Lets get this rolling.

##Vote: Mementoss

Only because you outplayed us so hard last game. Prove you are town this time!



Lol no posts and you scurrred already. I cannot prove that I am town as its like half a day into the game lol. Here is the best I can do I am TOWN. I will further prove that I am town when I push a scum lynch day 2. For now im going to talk about the lynch today, basically my thoughts are anything but no lynch.

This is my third game, and I have a new opinion about day 1 than before, check my meta if you would like. Im just letting you know so you don't say OMG he has different thoughts than before hes auto-mafia. I think its all fine and dandy to throw around accusations first day and put pressure on posters/lurkers, but at the end of day 1 its too hard to get a decent case off. (Eg, SNMMVIII - FirmTofu case based one 1 post)

Therefore, I say we lynch a lurker/useless poster day 1, unless we have a significant scum slip. Why is this beneifical to us the town, even though there is a good chance it will be a townie?
1) Helps narrow down the field for scum hunting later
2) Keeps the active ratio higher for discussion
3) Attempts to keep replacements out of the game, which are always difficult to read and deal with as one persons scum meta =/= the other persons.

That all being said, if this is your first game please make a good effort to read the thread, and not only respond to current situations/discussions. But come up with your own cases based on filter, and not gut feeling or OMGUS.

The main reason I won as mafia last game is because out mafia team contained a good 50% of the active discussion, and could sway the town opinion with well thought out cases about innocent people. Or other people would do it for us and we could just agree with it or post an alternative case so the focus was kept on those two. We as the town have the number advantage if we are all active, this is advantage useless otherwise.

This being said. No one is confirmed town until the flip green. Obviously if someone pushes a case for a scum lynch or two, they are most likely not bussing 2/3 of their team away. Since no one is confirmed town, pressure eventually needs to be applied to everyone at some point in the game. Last game as mafia I never had 1 case on me or 1 FoS or 1 Vote.

Lets make this the first SNMM town win since SNMM I!

GL HF ~ Let the scum hunting begin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#81
[image loading]


Mafia Terms
^^Not all are used here on TL, but can be used as a reference for some common ones, OMGUS, WIFOM, FoS, EBWOP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 22 2012 14:38 GMT
#90
Another thing I learned from last game and I think Nova_Terra will agree with me is, making connections (or anti-connections) between players is absolutely useless until the town flips its first scum. Keep track of it for all means, just no need to post it until scum is flipped and it can be used with case analysis (can't stand alone as a case). Cause you can literally find these connections between most players, its just the nature of the game, and the town trying to work as a team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 00:16 GMT
#130
Right now just looking through the last two pages it just seems like spammy overhaul from Rise of Fenix and Michael. Honestly, none of it says anything that is of interest to me. Rise of Fenix makes a list of quality/quantity of posts, which is useful for yourself but not when everyone has like 3 posts. Notably he leaves an obvious choice Fenix off there, Goss calls him out on it and he says "my bad" essentially. Then Rise of Fenix posts like 5 times, to get his ass off that inactivity list. Nothing of value however. Lets go through it together shall we?

Rise of Fenix:

On March 22 2012 14:14 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
well, you posting first probably eludes you being mafia and drawing unneeded attention to yourself. That is not to say that this could be a fake out, but I am inclined to believe you are town. Who else would like to speak up?


Confusing and weird way to say things. Trying to confirm town on one post? Really? If mafia knew posting first could confirm town they would be all over it. Could be a cover up for a fellow scum. Attempts to be pro-town by promoting activity.

On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum.


This is about the scummiest thing you could ever say. Im going to post my opinion when it's already too late to influence a lynch! At least I can say I had one, so people don't think i'm scum. Also, obviously there are no tells when everyone has 2 posts.

On March 23 2012 07:27 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
What I said was not that I wouldnt post until the End, I meant i wouldnt vote until the end.

I feel that gossamer wouldnt post this much if he was scum

Michaelthe has just said to get the inactives. Meh, could be either.

Serivo pointed out that I said something stupid, and talked about the time. I say innocent

Nova has talked about the time and how I said something stupid. Also innocent I think

Artanis asked for my opinion. I am giving it to him.

The scummiest person right now in my opinion is michaelthe, as he seems anxious to lynch someone who hasn't really said anything yet.

However, I will keep my lynch for later.


Still, not voting till the end is perfect for mafia, it shows you are not thinking for yourself. Your basing your vote off of what other people do, band wagoning, trying to blend in. Scum, scum scum. Everyone that pointed out you said something stupid, innocent? Great reasoning.

Lists like this are useless, just a post or 2 ago you said you had no solid reads right now , and none of these are backed up by posts, just a half sentence reasoning. Why did you pick these random selection of people and not everyone? Especially if your not gunna back it up with anything. Everyone you said is town have the most quality in there posts. You trying to get in good with them so they don't put a case against you? Goss voted for you, and you didn't even respond to it... You just ignored it despite posting 6 times afterwards.

On March 23 2012 07:35 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
I prefer not to vote now because I think that until everyone has given their opinion, everyone else deserves equal suspicion.


I prefer not to vote now or ever iniate a vote for that matter, because I don't want people to have suspicion of me, or to get on any ones bad side. It is much easier to stay out of the spotlight if I can just agree with a good case against a townie!

On March 23 2012 07:39 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
Trust me, my vote would be at you, but I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There is no unlynch in this game right? All lynch votes are final.

On March 23 2012 07:48 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
Oh I didn't know that.

But I still have no person picked to lynch yet.


WAT. Hey dude I would totally vote you if it wasn't permanent. Wait... it isn't permanent. Well it doesn't matter cause I have nobody picked out to vote. Wishy washy contradicting shit right there.

On March 23 2012 07:58 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
No lynch is LITERALLY the scummiest thing to do. No lynch only helps scum.


Hey guys, since your considering lynching a lurker im going to post a total of 8 times. That way I will never get lynched, right? Also to prove im town im going to add in something pro town. Even though it was pretty much established by the majority of the players in the first couple posts.

Biggest points:
-Spammy posts
-Consistently saying he's hesitant to vote
-Contradictory behaviour

I dont usually do this this early. But if he didn't respond to one vote, maybe he will respond to two.

##Vote: Rise Of Fenix







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 00:17 GMT
#131
EBWOP: That no lynch post by RoF was response to Seviro, but Seviro didn't say that, he said after day 1 no-lynch is perfectly viable. Which can be true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 16:43 GMT
#153
@Nova_Terra,
I know you were just stating your opinion on the case, but I don't necessarily think that is a good thing to do right away. It allows the accused to just slide by without defending their own asses, if a couple people just stick up for them. It's more interesting/can give a lot of information to see the player defend themselves/how they do it. If you come in first they can just re-write what you said in a different way.

Even if the case doesn't seem the strongest in your thoughts, if it gets discredited by people other than the accused, the accused loses all pressure, and pressure = information/scum slips.

Here is the most interesting part of the case in my opinion:

On March 23 2012 23:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 06:07 Seviro wrote:
On March 23 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Seviro, while i agree with your post, i dont get how we can put pressure on lurkers but not lynch them fast, as thats really the only way to pressure them.


Pretty much what froggy said, last game we didn't really pressure them as much, yes we were talking a lot about lynching them but as soon as they posted like 1 or 2 post we were ok and were going on another subject. If we are talking about something, we need to have the opinion of everyone. I'll take Eleanthas of last game as an example, everytime he posted something he was completely ignoring the discussion that was going on, that should not happen.

And about Rise, posting your thought about 1 hour before the deadline is possibly the more scummy thing you could do as the deadline is relatively late and a lot of people are not around at the time. Voting at this time is basically a ninja vote and it is not right to do so since, as Nova said we wouldn't have enough time to discuss about it and change our vote if need be.


Agrees with another townie to gain cred, this is a trend in Seviro's posts; rarely comes up with any own ideas and mostly agrees with other townies to 'blend in'. Also jumps on the against the 1 hour bandwagon which is fairly obvious. Long post basically stating the obvious and agreeing with other people.



Note the bolded/underlined, its both because its a very big mistake. A very big scum slip. Why is it such a huge deal? Because we have no clue if Nova_Terra is town. AT ALL. Here are the possibilities:

1) He is scum, he knows peoples roles, therefore he knows Nova_Terra is town. Slipped it by mistake.
2) He is scum, Nova_Terra is scum, he is quick to give the idea to the rest that Nova is confirmed town, when there is no proof behind it. Just saying it because Nova is active.
3) He is town, bad town play, making assumptions that lead to town not exploring all the possibilities, getting tunnelled away from someone (See me as mafia SNMM VIII)

Dat scum slip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 16:58 GMT
#154
EBWOP: Only the first two paragraphs were @NovaTerra, rest was just to everyone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 18:31 GMT
#168
30 Minutes till 8 hours before votes are due: People start posting your thoughts/ putting in a preliminary vote.

There are a couple of things that have recently been posted that I want to touch on but I have to go for now, will post in probably 2-3 hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 20:24 GMT
#180
@Artanis, I don't believe your defense, but its not enough to warrant a day 1 lynch. Now that I have given Seviro a chance to defend, your case against him seemed weak to me. It was basically him discussing things that were going on in the thread, while they were important, don't see how this is scummy.

@Nova_Terra: Why are you so quick to defend his(Aranis) slip? >_> Your meta is so off of last game. Also didn't you bring up voting deadline or at least agree to it? Where is your vote?

@Seviro: I like this point against Artanis you made, that his case using your quotes to make things look scummy out of context, but in context they actually weren't. Making a weak case just to say you made a case is scummy, but not enough to warrant a day 1 lynch IMO. Just because he actually is active and responding back to counter points.

Right now I would be happy with a lynch on either of these two:

Sc2System, or Rise Of Fenix

RoF because of the case I made on him, and him never responding. However it seems like no one is around to defend him, or point a case away from him, which seems odd for scum. Safe lynch because his quality of post is terrible, even if he flips green.

Sc2System: A lurker. Has not said anything of value. Maybe not the biggest lurker post wise, but the way he posted just seems really scummy to me. Jumps into game with a couple of posts. Then bandwagons on what looks like the majority vote for the day. He bandwagons at a time which seems to try to be non-suspicious, does not iniate the vote, and does not wait till the end to vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 20:31 GMT
#182
BlueyD Virtu, please come post.

Rise of Fenix, at least attempt to defend yourself.

Everyone that didn't vote yet, get your shit together vote, and get some reasoning together, have your own thoughts don't just bandwagon others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 20:52 GMT
#186
Im kinda leaning towards sc2system, at least RoF talks or did at the first of the game. What is everyone elses opinion, a lurker lynch is a safe bet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 21:49 GMT
#196
I dont think Artanis is the right vote for today. Its not much to go off of, and Day 1 lynch is usually better to go for a safe bet. I think Sc2system is a safe bet, all he does is hop in out of nowhere and bandwagon.

At this rate we are heading for a no-lynch town. We really need to just come together and agree on someone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 21:51 GMT
#197
We know who should be around now basing on recent posts/ said they were going to post:

Nova, Mementoss, Virtu is supposed to be posting, michael, sc2system(maybe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 21:59 GMT
#200
Please just if you have any opinion vote your strongest read now. Were gunna get a no lynch.

Im still thinking sc2system/RoF personally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 22:14 GMT
#208
Vote count is on page 3 at the bottom.
RoF: 4 votes
Sc2System: 3 votes

Not voting RoF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 22:18 GMT
#211
I hope RoF comes back to vote.....

I think if Seviro or Artanis comes back they will change their vote, as I don't think there current votes will get majority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 23 2012 22:20 GMT
#212
EBWOP: Also I don't think michaels vote will reach majority so he may switch to, we still have hope to get off a no-lynch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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