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On March 24 2012 06:49 Mementoss wrote:
I dont think Artanis is the right vote for today. Its not much to go off of, and Day 1 lynch is usually better to go for a safe bet. I think Sc2system is a safe bet, all he does is hop in out of nowhere and bandwagon.
At this rate we are heading for a no-lynch town. We really need to just come together and agree on someone.
On March 24 2012 06:51 Mementoss wrote:
We know who should be around now basing on recent posts/ said they were going to post:
Nova, Mementoss, Virtu is supposed to be posting, michael, sc2system(maybe)
I somehow misread the voting rule as whoever has the most votes at the end of the day gets lynched, I don't know how I read that since the zbot states everytime you need 7...
I will indeed be around until the deadline (or just before, I think its a bit past my bedtime). I will change my vote to sc2system if no one else goes for Artanis. I will vote for Fenix near deadline if necessary, but I have already stated my lynch candidate preference order.
Day 1 Lynch is better than no lynch, get voting!
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So this morning on the way to work I read the posts from our friends across the pond, and at the time my top 3 suspects were
1. Rise of Fenix
2. sc2system
3. Ninja4ever
I'm going to ignore the other discussion (Artanis on Seviro, Seviro on Artanis) because I feel the original case is a weak case at best, especially for D1, the "defence and return case" back onto Artanis is a bit suspect, becuase if you're playing town you'd only want to defend yourself, not throw an accusation back and potentially enter an argument that is going to waste time and space in the thread. However, there are definitely better options at this point in time.
I'll give my views but with a large gap between my last post and this, and it being so close to the end of the day I will be unfortunately repeating quite a few already made points, unavoidable on day1.
Rise of Fenix
IMO the best case for the poster with the least content, serious amounts of 2-3 line posts and hardly any content. Stuff like this for example is absolutely useless, and either has been said previously to him saying it or just has no place:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 07:35 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
I prefer not to vote now because I think that until everyone has given their opinion, everyone else deserves equal suspicion.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 07:39 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
Trust me, my vote would be at you, but I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There is no unlynch in this game right? All lynch votes are final.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 07:48 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
Oh I didn't know that.
But I still have no person picked to lynch yet.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 07:58 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
No lynch is LITERALLY the scummiest thing to do. No lynch only helps scum.
I'd struggle to count useful words from all of that, never mind a useful sentence. This quote also really bothers me and just reeks of desperation:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 05:36 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
give me another chance, please. I will make up my terrible play today tommorow.
Along with the fact one of his first statements was him saying someone is town purely because they made the first post in the game, and the fact that there is almost 30 hours between two of his most content filled posts that are even remotely useful to the game, makes him a major suspect for me.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 14:21 Rise Of Fenix wrote:
My points:
I dont think I was thinking straight, and reading over my posts I have really been really playing terribly. Im sorry.
However, I think it is time for a little bit of analysis.
As I was suspicious of Michaelthe earlier, and then was backed up by froggy. Michael the never defended himself. I think that this is reason enough to lynch him, but until he defends himself I wont.
Apologises for his terrible play, then says it's "time for analysis", which consists of an entire line and a half.
Conclusion; I feel we'll get the most information out of a Rise of Fenix lynch, even if he does flip town. I think he's scum though.
sc2system
Shows VERY similar play to Rise of Fenix, low quality/content posts, lots of avoiding and excuses. Two things that are really irking me is how he's been throwing his vote around, and how quickly he dropped off Rise of Fenix, even though others were keeping the pressure on, as we see here;
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 22:49 sc2system wrote:
Haiiii,
Here is my aweosme post:
Even though there are other people that don’t contribute or contribute as much as Rise of Fenix I feel that he should be lynched the first day. He does try to “contribute” but the problem is he seemingly tries to help but ends up confusing the town. I would redraw my vote if he can come up with something that puts town in the right direction instead of confusing us more. I am not contributing a lot because most of the things I want to say are already said and I don’t want to be accusing people on bad arguments because that just ruins the game and complicates it.
##Vote: Rise of Fenix
His "Awesome" post that we'd waited over 12 hours for since he first said he was going to give us a decent view on something, and all he does is lightly talk about rise of fenix's play, but the bolded part really annoys me. If you're using your vote to apply pressure, you don't say you'll withdraw it at the first sign of "townie" play, said pressured person can just jump on the bandwagon, or if the bandwagon is on them just try and divert attention to a lurker. Extremely suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 05:58 sc2system wrote:
Hai all,
I am withdrawing my vote for Rise Of Fenix because I said in my post that if he starts caring more about the game that I will withdraw it.
That is one of the reasons I posted my vote very early so he can read it and decide If he is going to try to help the townies. If I am right the mafia will not all vote for the same person becuase that would make them stand out. I have seen some posts before when people accuse other people and others agree but not all of them vote, and they dont even accuse anyone else after that. (Hope you understand if you need a explenation of what I tried to say just ask [english is not my first language]).
##Vote: No Lynch
And I did write that I like to confuse people but that is only when they use invalid arguments that ruin the game. For example if we all vote on X becuase Y was killed by the mafia and Y accused X the previous day. This is an invalid argument so this is when I like to inverse the logic and I say: What if the mafia wanted us to think that and they get a double kill, or what if they knew that we knew that and they just did the first step. Confused? Good. And this only works with invalid arguments.
Hope that is all I wanted to say...
All this post does is withdraw his vote on Rise of Fenix because he apparently made some town-like posts. but reading his filter, I can't see anything town-like, and others have been keeping up the pressure on him.
The stupid amount of vote switching is also extremely suspect as we see here, after the rise of the fenix vote and the no lynch we have;
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 06:02 sc2system wrote:
Ups forgot to write:
##unvote: Rise Of Fenix
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 06:03 sc2system wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 06:00 Seviro wrote:
I want to point out that it'S been a bit more than 22 hour since virtu last post. He did said he'll post today but I have yet to see anything from him. I think for now i'll put my vote on him until he comes out.
##unvote: Artanis[Xp]
##Vote: Virtu
ok if you say so: ##Vote: Virtubut if he posts a good post that is helpfull I will unvote him.
This last one for me, is huge. I've bolded the main thing I found suspect, His FOURTH vote or unvote was made PURELY because someone else changed their vote. He could quite easily have put "this is correct, virtu hasn't posted in X hours, so i will also change my vote", but all we get is an "ok if you say so?"
Also, Seviro's post at 06:00, sc2system's at 06:03? a bandwagon post 3minutes later, seems extremely scummy to me, especially considering he has had large periods of inactivity/useless posting.
Conclusion: I feel there is a better case for lynching sc2sytem than there is rise of fenix
Ninja4ever
I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though.
Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now.
Personally I think both sc2system and Rise of Fenix are both scum, but my vote is going to;
##Vote: sc2system
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Yeah, where is virtu at. We need everyone.
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EBWOP: I will change my vote to Rise of Fenix if it's needed for majority, nolynch would be pretty terrible right now. Forgot to add this, just wanted to get my post out there took a while to construct.
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France231 Posts
It seems that we don't really have any lurker left to be honest, with virtu posting soon every one seem to be active at least to some extent. We should really start voting based on who we find the most suspect.
I already voted sc2system based on its inactivity, saying I'd switch to RoF if he'd become active enough. The thing is he did post more but in a very scumy way. (the confuse people part is very relevant). Therefore I'm keeping my vote for now.
Although, as mementoss said (who looks the greenest of us all in my eyes) we really need to set on someone if we want to get a lynch
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EBWOP got sniped there.
What is the current vote count? if necessary i can switch to sc2system to prevent a no lynch, but only in the next 45 minutes.
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Fine, fine, fine, I'll vote now.
##Vote: sc2system
Reasoning incoming after dinner.
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Vote count is on page 3 at the bottom.
RoF: 4 votes
Sc2System: 3 votes
Not voting RoF.
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France231 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:02 virtu wrote:
So this morning on the way to work I read the posts from our friends across the pond, and at the time my top 3 suspects were
1. Rise of Fenix
2. sc2system
3. Ninja4ever
##Vote: sc2system
Was this list purely based on inactivity ? If not, would you mind telling what made me into your list to begin with, so I can defend myself ?
Ninja4ever
I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though.
Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now.
Well, we're on the same boat my friend : we came up late and had to speak on subjects that were discussed pretty much to death before us. kinda hard to add new content in this case.
About the lynching lurker part, that's pretty much our day one plan (pressure lyncher or someone really suspect), seemed natural to me to at least give my thoughts on it.
Hope it helped clear things a bit.
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France231 Posts
EBWOP : " pressure lyncher or someone really suspect "
Dunno why I said lyncher there. Obiously meant lurkers.
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I hope RoF comes back to vote.....
I think if Seviro or Artanis comes back they will change their vote, as I don't think there current votes will get majority.
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EBWOP: Also I don't think michaels vote will reach majority so he may switch to, we still have hope to get off a no-lynch.
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I've read all the posts since I was gone, and since there's no way Seviro will get a majority there's no reason to vote him.
RoF seems to be willing to try stuff, sc2system hasn't provided us with anything as far as I can see. However, due to no one coming to his defense I don't think we'd gain much information out of a lynch of sc2system either. There's been some soft defenses on Rise of Fenix which could give us more leads if he's red, therefore,
##Unvote: Seviro
##Vote: Rise of Fenix
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Okay, now that Virtu posted his promised post and I am somewhat satified with it for now i'll change my vote.
With Fenix's last post I think I will go with him. If he can come up with something before the deadline maybe I'll reconsiders it. I tried to defend him because I thought his bad plays were just a case of him being new or whatever but now screw it, if he doesn't help yourself we might as well get rid of him
##Unvote: Virtu
##Vote: Rise Of Fenix
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Wow, yeah. Its rediculous that rise popped in to say 1 sentence begging us to let him live because he will make it up to us tomorrow, and then didnt even vote
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On March 24 2012 07:15 Ninja4ever. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:02 virtu wrote:
So this morning on the way to work I read the posts from our friends across the pond, and at the time my top 3 suspects were
1. Rise of Fenix
2. sc2system
3. Ninja4ever
##Vote: sc2system Was this list purely based on inactivity ? If not, would you mind telling what made me into your list to begin with, so I can defend myself ? Show nested quote +Ninja4ever
I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though.
Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now. Well, we're on the same boat my friend : we came up late and had to speak on subjects that were discussed pretty much to death before us. kinda hard to add new content in this case. About the lynching lurker part, that's pretty much our day one plan (pressure lyncher or someone really suspect), seemed natural to me to at least give my thoughts on it. Hope it helped clear things a bit.
Kind of. It was a mixture of Bad posting quality and inactivity, but you were pretty much on the list due to inactivity at the time. The only reason I would still consider you is because of your wishy-washy posting around subjects that have already been brought up. Instead of doing this, you should accept the fact that a lot of things are going to be repeats, and just write your thoughts down in your own words, with your own thought process. You might help someone else see things in a different light etc. If you don't then you just look scummy, which for all I know, you could be, time will tell.
Also on D2 i'd like to jump back to the Artanis/Seviro thing, i feel it kinda came out no-where, might have been pressure for the sake of mixing things up and be pro-town but i'm not convinced.
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Ahh, thank god. this is looking better 
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France231 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:25 virtu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:15 Ninja4ever. wrote:On March 24 2012 07:02 virtu wrote:
So this morning on the way to work I read the posts from our friends across the pond, and at the time my top 3 suspects were
1. Rise of Fenix
2. sc2system
3. Ninja4ever
##Vote: sc2system Was this list purely based on inactivity ? If not, would you mind telling what made me into your list to begin with, so I can defend myself ? Ninja4ever
I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though.
Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now. Well, we're on the same boat my friend : we came up late and had to speak on subjects that were discussed pretty much to death before us. kinda hard to add new content in this case. About the lynching lurker part, that's pretty much our day one plan (pressure lyncher or someone really suspect), seemed natural to me to at least give my thoughts on it. Hope it helped clear things a bit. Kind of. It was a mixture of Bad posting quality and inactivity, but you were pretty much on the list due to inactivity at the time. The only reason I would still consider you is because of your wishy-washy posting around subjects that have already been brought up. Instead of doing this, you should accept the fact that a lot of things are going to be repeats, and just write your thoughts down in your own words, with your own thought process. You might help someone else see things in a different light etc. If you don't then you just look scummy, which for all I know, you could be, time will tell. Also on D2 i'd like to jump back to the Artanis/Seviro thing, i feel it kinda came out no-where, might have been pressure for the sake of mixing things up and be pro-town but i'm not convinced.
Haha, so when we repeat too much stuff that makes us look scummy (see seviro case), and the same goes when we don't ? Seems quite problematic to me ! :p
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On March 24 2012 05:44 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What? In this post, you WERE bandwagoning. The train to lynch Rise of Fenix was going nicely, and if you're scum and he's not then it's beneficial to ride the train to his destruction.
Here is the said post Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:58 Seviro wrote:
there's no haste to vote yet, it's just that you said you would wait about and hour before the deadline before your vote, which is really late.
It will be best for everyone if we say something like 8 to 6 hour before the deadline we should post what is our vote at that moment. At this point we can discuss and see what would be the best for the town. If at the time of the "soft" deadline you have no one that you think is more suspicious than the other you can always vote for no-lynch and change your vote later. Where in the world do you see in this post that I am following the Rise Of Fenix train? Hell i'm like the only one that is trying to defend him.
Didn't respond to this yet, but I believe I misread it the first time. You're right that you didn't join the train; you didn't pick a side. Apologies for faulty analysis on this part.
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On March 24 2012 07:31 Ninja4ever. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:25 virtu wrote:On March 24 2012 07:15 Ninja4ever. wrote:On March 24 2012 07:02 virtu wrote:
So this morning on the way to work I read the posts from our friends across the pond, and at the time my top 3 suspects were
1. Rise of Fenix
2. sc2system
3. Ninja4ever
##Vote: sc2system Was this list purely based on inactivity ? If not, would you mind telling what made me into your list to begin with, so I can defend myself ? Ninja4ever
I think this is the weakest case, the only substantial point I can see is that he does a lot talking about Lynching Lurkers, and a lot of repeating already covered topics. Much weaker than Rise of Fenix though.
Conclusion: One to keep an eye on, but fine for now. Well, we're on the same boat my friend : we came up late and had to speak on subjects that were discussed pretty much to death before us. kinda hard to add new content in this case. About the lynching lurker part, that's pretty much our day one plan (pressure lyncher or someone really suspect), seemed natural to me to at least give my thoughts on it. Hope it helped clear things a bit. Kind of. It was a mixture of Bad posting quality and inactivity, but you were pretty much on the list due to inactivity at the time. The only reason I would still consider you is because of your wishy-washy posting around subjects that have already been brought up. Instead of doing this, you should accept the fact that a lot of things are going to be repeats, and just write your thoughts down in your own words, with your own thought process. You might help someone else see things in a different light etc. If you don't then you just look scummy, which for all I know, you could be, time will tell. Also on D2 i'd like to jump back to the Artanis/Seviro thing, i feel it kinda came out no-where, might have been pressure for the sake of mixing things up and be pro-town but i'm not convinced. Haha, so when we repeat too much stuff that makes us look scummy (see seviro case), and the same goes when we don't ? Seems quite problematic to me ! :p
I've already said that i felt the Seviro was weak, and yes it is problematic but that's a side effect of day1. This is why i've concentrated on the two people we have other reasons to look at, and not you who was purely on there due to at-the-time inactivity.
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