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On March 22 2012 01:04 SamuelLJackson wrote: Nice way of getting rid of that annoying first post that's aways a bitch for mafia Lyter. Anything else you want to add? im going to assume this is sandroba? | ||
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On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? | ||
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On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote: Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour. PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes | ||
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over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. | ||
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On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote: Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour. PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum | ||
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On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. He then votes for Mattchew. Lyter defends Acrofales. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! | ||
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so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information? i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:16 MrZentor wrote: I know you didn't actually vote for him, but you might as well have. wut? | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me. my non-existant vote on you, which was not "mean", was because of your reaction to chaoser's vote on you. you then reacted like scum and now have a completely different posting style as if you were calmed down and coached to becoming better. the only thing of substance you have is your post on gumshoe. I actually agree with it | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:36 MrZentor wrote: Let me explain this in layman's terms. Whether or not you actually voted for him is irrelevant, especially this early in the game, because of these reasons. 1. He thought you did. 2. You acted as if you had. 3. This early in the game, votes don't really mean anything. Because of these reasons, the only difference it would have made if you had actually voted for him is that you wouldn't have posted that you hadn't voted for him. Capiche? Let me put this in having three 21st chromosome terms. Your third point directly contradicts your first and second points | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:46 MrZentor wrote: Not if the two people don't know that votes this early in the game don't really mean anything. Nice try, funny guy. when did you become a vet? was it when you played 1 game (steamship) or when you got modkilled in XLVII and Election? I know exactly what I was doing and I know very well of voting thread. | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:52 GreYMisT wrote: Matt, Do you feel as though both Acro and Gum can be mafia? I find it unlikely that when Acro got the coaching that you believe he did, they told him to go on Gumshoe this early. Acro to me seems more like what i see in a very new town player. I would be much more willing to lynch gumshoe over him at this point, as he has actually posted things under a mafia agenda. no they arent both scum, and just because I agree with what he said about gumshoe does not mean I agree that gumshoe is scum. There is a huge difference. I would prefer to give gumshoe a little time cause I have always seen scummy ass shit in his early games but his alignment will become way more obvious with time (2 newbie games) | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:59 MrZentor wrote: I was just pointing out that you were wrong about the third point contradicting the first. You don't have to be so mad about it. I am far from mad. I am annoyed by your arrogance and stupidity. You have proved nothing I said wrong. | ||
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yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure. so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro | ||
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ps. I answer greymist's questions when he asks them of me | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote: 2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town. this is ironic (from SNMM7) On February 22 2012 08:58 DoYouHas wrote: Mattchew, you're my hero. Good Luck Town! (I'll save my gg for when we win this thing, HUZZAH!) | ||
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On March 22 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote: Mattchew, you were my hero in SNMM7 because you defended me and made a case that I thought was good and had pegged many of the mafia (I was half wrong). After I died you failed to take up the leadership role that my endorsement should have garnered you because you were so busy posting 1 liners and pissing people off that you didn't rally people to your cause. You allowed mafia to be the reasonable voices in the town. actually... i was out yelled by sloosh and then had the town turn on me. but that is neither here nor there. The fact still remains that I done nothing wrong or scummy. I have prompted conversation where there otherwise was none. I have put the spotlight on myself and have yet to shy away from it. I have answered all questions asked of me honestly and have explained my reasoning for what I am doing | ||
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On March 22 2012 10:54 Alderan wrote: Rereading through the thread, I think Mattchew's behavior has been bizarre to say the least. Everything he has commented on, whether it be the shaky at best case on Acro, or the "pressure" he has attempted to apply has come across a little bit disingenuous. I'm not getting hung up on the one liners, playing with him for the tail end of a game previously leads me to believe that it's just his style, but he is someone who tends to act on more solid cases than the Acro case. thats cause it was a shaky at best case. i started my pressure like 10 posts into the thread lol. I would happily oblige another case however there hasn't been one. The pressure was just to get him to post more cause his first post rubbed me the wrong way. since then he hasn't exactly alleviated these feelings however I would be up to lynch a stronger scum read by someone else that I trust or can see truth in | ||
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1. gumshoe 2. Zealos 3. Acrofales 4. Mattchew 5. Oberyn 6. risk.nuke 7. SamuelLJackson 8. wherebugsgo; Petyr Baelish, Littlefinger 9. OriginalName 10. Alderan 11. MrZentor 12. chaoser 13. Nicolas 14. Risen 15. Lyter 16. Xatalos 17. GreYMisT 18. DoYouHas 19. sinensis 20. evantrees 21. layabout | ||
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On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left. We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it. Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read) PS. He uses a ton of smilies | ||
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MrZentor: I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. Acrofales: He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you. If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself. I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet. I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for? | ||
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On March 23 2012 00:32 Xatalos wrote: "all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that? I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote" Haha Petyr can't be lynched though... We'll just have to wait and see what he's going to do. It would be more productive to focus on finding out the Mafia players, since we can't do anything about Petyr, even if his win condition is to kill everyone else or something like that... Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet... could you be any more soft about these opinions? and now you want credit for them? please. This is supposed to be you being the first to find mafia? In any case: if my previous experiences have any value, chaoser and risk.nuke have a higher chance of being Mafia than town. Everyone keeps speaking in vague terms at me such as "dodged questions" and "answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago)"... Here is a direction question, what questions did I dodge and what accusations have I not responded to? Also, I said before that my pressure brought out the townie in Acro, I never had a strong scum read on him (just a feeling) and never claimed to. I was just pressuring him to see how he would respond. My pressure worked because it brought out the town in Acro. That's why I switched my feelings on him. Where exactly did I "dodge and confuse the discussion"? Are you going to post this vague and terribly all game? | ||
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On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote: My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself. ##Unvote: Acrofales ##Vote: Oberyn this isn't the best logic but is the right thing to do. | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:34 SamuelLJackson wrote: So how was the class? Any further updates? What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made? Sandroba I presume? He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null" There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis) There are some things I heavily disagree with such as The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with. All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e | ||
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On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote: Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer: He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this: is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia. I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction. I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one) | ||
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btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:14 Zealos wrote: The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn. he yells at me i answer his questions alongside my other posts. I still fail to see how I "tunneled" acro or anyone for that matter | ||
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he said he'd be back in an hour i was referencing that, it wasn't serious you clearly do not know the meaning of tunneling. | ||
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On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). i said it here too herpderp speaking in absolutes is not scum slipping herpderp | ||
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On March 23 2012 20:47 SamuelLJackson wrote: I had a preliminary town read on you based on quite silly reasoning, but I'm not quite as sure anymore. I do think your play doesn't look like your scum play in werewolves II at least. Have you been scum in any other game? my first game ever where I was scared to post. | ||
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Currently there are 4 votes on me. Here are all their reasons. On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why we should lynch Mattchew: First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] + On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] + On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town A bunch of points I already addressed here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 23:51 Mattchew wrote: I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you. If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself. I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet. I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for? On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game. Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote: Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden. Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum. ##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. A case built on a vote that never actually happened. Also, the majority of this post is recapping what had happened and bringing nothing new to the table. Lyter didn't even take my comment at him serious, why should you? Where did I say I was 100% positive that Acro was guilty (im assuming thats what you meant even though you wrote innocent). On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left. ##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew I think this is scummy as posted here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you" We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it. Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read) PS. He uses a ton of smilies On March 23 2012 12:00 evantrees wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 11:00 gumshoe wrote: evantrees where are you btw? What do you think of Layabout's suspicion of you? You did just talk about setup and leave so whats the deal? Seems to mostly be complaining about a joke, which followed a joke from bugs,and who posted before bugs kenpachi! Otherwise I have been useless so somewhat understandable. Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now ##Vote Mattchew. I think Mattchew and gumshoe would make good vig targets. WUT? There is a lot of good reasoning here. I think 3 out of 4 of these votes are based completely on my aggression and apparent asshole attitude. I feel like because this is a role playing game, new (and bad) players tend to think that scum are going to play into their role and be aggressive assholes as their role may suggest they be. This, in my experience (maybe a vet can elaborate on), is almost the opposite of true. For scum to put themselves in the spotlight like I have is a huge risk, not saying that it has never been done before, but it is a more unusual play style by scum. If you think that I am scum purely because of my aggression during this game I would advise you to re-evaluate | ||
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also, there was no discredit in my post to you, just asking for further clarification on vague reasoning (which you haven't done). When you look through my filter do you still see me as tunneling Acro? | ||
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On March 24 2012 01:04 Acrofales wrote: Lol Risen. I don't think I ever called you scum, I got irritated reading useless analyses. The policy-lynch on people spamming up the thread with throw-away analyses was only semi-serious and posted in frustration at the lack of useful content. I'd rather lynch Mattchew or Gumshoe, who I suspect of actually being scum, rather than useless townies. I called out your analysis together with the rest, because despite not being bad like the others, it spams up an entire page and rather than encouraging conversation, stifles it. Instead of correcting with a good analysis you overreact hugely about my suggestion to lynch, and post a load of WIFOM. Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them. The only way for us to know anything is to scumhunt (and use our own DTs and trackers) textually. Btw, if WBG actually contributed some useful scumhunting, he *might* be worth listening to, but so far he has trolled and posted random assertions. how do you plan on us using our own DTs and Trackers if you are calling out gumshoe for trying to out blues? | ||
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how do you feel about xatalos and evantrees? | ||
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On March 23 2012 20:37 Mattchew wrote: Acro, when I flip town, you will be the first person that Mafia points fingers at, because they know that we are both town and can probably get 2 lynches out of our argument. Have you completely ignored my last posts because I believe there is a lot of content in them, including an original case. On March 23 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote: Hey ald, what do you think of xatalos and evantrees? On March 24 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote: how do you plan on us using our own DTs and Trackers if you are calling out gumshoe for trying to out blues? On March 24 2012 01:29 Mattchew wrote: hi risk, how do you feel about me being lynched? how do you feel about xatalos and evantrees? | ||
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On March 24 2012 01:56 GreYMisT wrote: Because I feel like you have less of a chance of flipping scum than Obryn i know i wont flip scum, and i feel like oberyn wont either. His post on everyone feels like he is reading the game and trying to get his thoughts together which I read as fairly towny. My vote is soon to be moved I am debating on voting xalatos or evantree... what do you think of them? | ||
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On March 24 2012 02:08 GreYMisT wrote: You do know that reading the game is not a townie attribute right? And I will say again, it is easy for scum to make a post like that. they know the alingments of everyone. all they have to do is read the thread, gather thoughts from everyone about how certain players stand in the game, and post them as if it was their own. Evantrees has posting nothing, no opinion. Xalatos has posted significantly more. I remember what set me slightly off on him earlier was the way he seems as though he wanted to make friends with everyone. despite this he has not yet posted with a scum agenda that I have found as of yet. I still think obyron is our best choice. since when do scum have to post with a scum agenda? where does oberyn do this? Evantrees voted, that is something. You took "reading the thread" out of context from my sentence and used it to discredit my read on him. I said his post feels like he is trying to figure things out, not (as you said) knowing everyones role as scum do | ||
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I do not agree with their read on layabout however | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:34 SamuelLJackson wrote: No it's day 1 and I don't have much to say besides trying to get town off townie lynch wagons and trying to get lurking scum lynched based on flimsy evidence. If I had a solid case against anyone I would have posted it already. On March 24 2012 03:40 Mattchew wrote: so syllo, why not vote on evantrees? his vote seems forced and not his own opinion, also he's lurking hardcore | ||
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Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread, located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. Its in the OP. Player with the most votes gets lynched, 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:01 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: specially with both Matt (imho scum) and Zealos (seriously suspicious) on the bandwagon. i am voting evantrees read the thread before you call the entire game stupid | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:43 Acrofales wrote: So what's the vote rule anyway? Does it have to be an absolute majority? Or is it just whoever has the most votes? I can't find it in the Rules section On March 24 2012 05:00 Acrofales wrote: Gwaaaach, I hate making sense of the voting thread. If I count from VE's post onward, I think I come up with the following count. Counting votes fucking sucks, but I need to know. Alderan: Greymist (1) Acrofales: Risen (1) Mattchew: Evantrees, MrZentor, Acrofales (3) Gumshoe: Xatalos (1) Greymist: Oberyn (1) Risk.nuke: Chaoser (1) SLJ: ON (1) Layabout: Alderan, Gumshoe, SLJ (3) Alderan: DYH (1) Oberyn: Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos, DYH (4) DYH: WBG (1) Which basically means you all suck. It is not only spread out, but the only guy with a majority is not Mattchew, Gumshoe, or Zealos. The three people who have by far the most points in my scumometer. /smacks scumometer. Nope. still gives the same read. I'm not sure how this normally works, but if the idea is to kill Oberyn based on a vote that is all over the map, it seems fucked up. Can Greymist, Matt, Zealos or DYH please post a decent case on why the hell we should vote Oberyn since his latest post? It seems like a fucked up Mafia bandwagon to me. On March 24 2012 05:04 Acrofales wrote: Lol, join the club. Btw, you all suck and my gf is telling me to do the shopping. Be back in a while. | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:39 Lyter wrote: I'm far from set on anyone being scum at the moment, but I feel the person who I'm gonna vote for is SLJ, I think having 2 people share an account is dumb as fuck, people write differently and think differently and it makes it really difficult for everyone I think as a basis. This is disrespectful to the mods decision agreeing to let these players play as one. This vote is retarded | ||
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On March 24 2012 06:05 OriginalName wrote: Im not confident in either of the top candidates so far. Eventrees is still neglecting the thread and such and probably wouldnt be a half bad target however my vote is going to stay where it is since SLJ seems to be content to sit in the background and just throw blame around while making sure he is as far away from the current lynches as possible instead of just pushing someone and rolling with it, at this point hes probably my most solid read and as such my vote will stay on him. just some observations on said person as well Still hiding information, there is no use for town in this. The point of a mason is to disscuss with each other and to allow ideas to be bounced off and plans to be formed that can then be posted into the thread. You have really not shown any results within the thread and seem to be content with the game however it goes. This is just a detrimental attitude towards lynching scum. hiding information is not necessarily anti-town or scum behavior at all. Town is on a need to know basis and right now SLJ has said many times that they don't have any information that is particularly helpful to town. Also, they have been asking discussion provoking questions to make up for their lack of analysis. Lynching them day 1 would probably end up making us all look herpderp as fuck | ||
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Can we please get more votes on 1 or 2 candidates please so that mafia cant control this lynch. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:39 MrZentor wrote: *sigh* I really wanted to kill Mattchew, i refuse to listen to anyone that says anything like this about anyone. let alone me | ||
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Risen: Brings me to the point of this post, since any townie should know to ignore wbg. Layabout has to be SCUM. If you're town you deserve to burn for such a useless vote swap late game. Is it so much to ask for a fucking town that doesn't shit itself and fall apart? Since no one seems to be taking Acro the other scum seriously, I'm voting for layabout. Your trust in townies doing the right thing is going to be a terrible downfall to your reads | ||
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On March 24 2012 10:12 Risen wrote: Done for the night. Can't keep looking at the bullshit in this thread. Layabout throws the fuckin game for himself by making the scummiest move he could possibly make (seriously, sitting there lurking would have been 100x better than swapping your vote with nothing attached to it) and now it's just troll time. Peace. so if you are town, and you see that you are in the lead to be lynched, and there is another lynch that isn't you, your advice is to just sit there and lurk? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 25 2012 02:48 Risen wrote: How am I trolling? Don't make scum moves day1 and you won't get lynched. It really is that simple. Don't do stupid shit and you won't get lynched. Mafia might go after you at night for being a good player, but you won't get lynched. you are making my brain hurt. Reasons why layabout switching his vote from alderan to greymist was not bad 1. He was in 2nd (OMG NOT FIRST but it was 1 vote difference with all the momentum of votes being shifted towards him) and he knew he was town thus, his lynch would be a bad thing. 2. On March 24 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: No, i am basing it off of the need for town to get on the same lynch and the chance that he might actually be scum since oberyn and syllo seem to think he is. 3. With the end vote being 5 to 5 layabout and greymist, mafia had complete control of the vote. Anyone that did not switch to a top candidate (AS YOU DID RISEN HERPDERPHERPDERP) is fucking retarded and completely against town. Layabout was switching to a top candidate to actually be lynched | ||
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for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town" 2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner. If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch. if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him. if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first | ||
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On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote: Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling. hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now. Care to explain? | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie. Welcome to TL Mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote: wut?Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all? | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote: It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful. I'll put it this way. I am sure that Xatalos is scum, and if I was a DT I would check him to confirm. Nothing is 100% in this game and there is never too much information. Confirming your beliefs is the most important thing you can do On March 27 2012 02:08 Zealos wrote: I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm not sure why acro is under doubt? Risen could be DT and acro could have checked out as scum? | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:19 Xatalos wrote: If I had been the first voter, I would have probably voted for gumshoe... But then I saw that Risen had already gathered 5(?) votes with his anti-town behaviour, and since there was no chance to lynch gumshoe anymore (everyone seems to have written him off as a dumb townie or something) I thought that this was an okay lynch too - at least better than the previous lynch of layabout Risen has been creating chaos in the thread and prevented a lot of potentially useful discussion, so I find it a bit hard to believe he would actually be a Detective... But considering his overall lackluster reasoning, he might just be a REALLY bad Detective. Still, this isn't a bad lynch, although not initially my favorite lynch either (I still can't let gumshoe off my suspicions, at least until he has posted more and better). I'll have to go through every player's filter to make a rank order of their suspiciousness to make my life easier... OriginalName... Not really sure what to make of him. He's been lurking hardcore, but he hasn't made any Mafia reads for me so far (unlike gumshoe, who has been equally lurking). I mentioned evantrees's lurking because he was a runner-up in yesterday's lynch and as such SHOULD be focusing on contributing and clearing his name, but it seemed more like he wanted to hide and be forgotten... I'll have to check both OriginalName's and evantrees's filters carefully to see if there is something indicative of Mafia play (their filters are among the shortest ones though, so there isn't much to work with yet). Are you going to vote for Risen yourself? Or for someone like GreYMisT? There's not much point in throwing a single vote at someone right now though, since they won't feel even a slight bit of pressure from that. Risen has made us waste a day on himself and most likely can't avoid being lynched at this point. If he is Mafia, my suspicions for Acrofales will drop quite a bit (I can't imagine Mafia risking two members only to waste a day of discussion). If he actually is a Detective, well... It doesn't yet reveal us Acrofales's alignment, but I'd be more cautious about him (a Vigilante hit on him wouldn't be a bad option). If you aren't scum I will be shocked. and the town lost our vig, not that you would care about that. | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote: GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that? Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1 | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:30 Zealos wrote: Then by definition you can't be sure. As for acro, if the only argument for him being mafia is Risen being DT then I have no reason to think he's mafia unless Risen flips DT tonight. 90% of the argument against risen is that he isn't playing right. This is a terrible argument for alignment as well. My hope is that it is a retarded 1/1 situation | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: My argument against risen is not that he isn't playing well, but that he is lying. Lying is either mafia, or a town that is detrimental to the town atmosphere. Either way - Lynch. lying about? | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote: Being DT. lol and how do you know that he is lying? (do you see where i am going with this) | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:05 Alderan wrote: @Mattchew- You seem to think that Risen my actually be DT. Is that accurate, and if so who would you rather vote for? Currently your vote is still on Risen... If risen is detective, he is either dead or roleblocked tonight anyway. My hope is that we can actually get a 1 for 1 out of this situation, and the only way to do this is flip both risen and acro. Right now im voting Risen because I don't want any scum picked candidate being lynched. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:06 Zealos wrote: Oh, and the only argument against me is that I am voting and making a case against him. If anyone can show me anything he's done right, he might have some kind of defense. On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote: for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town" 2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote: Aha, this is where it gets good, and if you'd had read the thread properly, you'd see I had pretty sound reasoning for this: Why on earth if he said this, and he was DT, didn't he check Mattchew last night? It makes no sense whatsoever, instead he claims he checked Acro, and backed up his argument by saying he thought a rolechecker should check Mattchew (derp) Once again, if you are DT and you think someone is scum you check them. You always confirm them. He could have checked me the next night. -You're argument "He did the wrong thing" Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG: The rolechecker thing is the only thing I don't understand. The desperation of explaining himself is a little scummy. Also, for giggles On March 22 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: On the topic of Wherebugsgo, I'd love to completely ignore him if possible, though I doubt that will end up happening.... On top of which, he completely avoids answering my direct question: Not to mention calling me and others scum with very very little to no evidence to back up his claims: The only argument he's made against anyone is the whole "I'm DT, lynch Acro" Doesn't this smack you as mindbogglingly stupid? Risen is the lynch we should make today, with absolutely no exceptions, he is super scummy. This all reads "I'm mad." | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:23 Zealos wrote: That post was... incredibly irrelevant? I'm saying as anything, whether or not he is DT, what has he done pro-town? lynching a townie is always bad. whether or not he is "pro-town" | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say. Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch. Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment. Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here: You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind! Now lets look at the rest of the evidence: Risen Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] + Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all. Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts). The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities. In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis. Acro I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check. Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT). And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have. To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too. "However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence." I am. If asked before all this shit, I would have said that I have a town read on both of you. After this shit, I still see no case against either of you that holds any weight, however it does appear to me as if 1 of you is scum and 1 of you is town. That is why my logic has no outside factors involved with the decision making process. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:30 Alderan wrote: Ok that makes sense, I must have missed where that was being discussed. The only wrench in that plan is if he flips vanilla townie, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Where the fuck have gumshoe and lyter been? Ald with this post I would lynch you off meta in a heartbeat. You are blending in being agreeable but looking like you are helping to create content just like the last time we played together. I think that you are a better scum hunter then what you have shown thus far. Who are your scum reads (outside the risen/acro debacle) and why? | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:50 Zealos wrote: It all it reads is "I'm mad" then you clearly need to read better. What reasoning do we have to believe he is DT? i like how you take 1 line out of the post and only respond to that in a trivial way. If you have a town read on someone (as i did/kinda do) and they claim something, I believe them until counterclaimed or proven wrong. The only reason I am voting risen is because he is slightly more scummy than acro to me. | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote: In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid. As I have said before, again and again, I believe this is a 1 for 1 situation which is good for town. I am not sheeping anyone | ||
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On March 27 2012 03:36 Mattchew wrote: Ald with this post I would lynch you off meta in a heartbeat. You are blending in being agreeable but looking like you are helping to create content just like the last time we played together. I think that you are a better scum hunter then what you have shown thus far. Who are your scum reads (outside the risen/acro debacle) and why? | ||
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On March 27 2012 09:22 Lyter wrote: Ah, a little too late lol, eyes on Acro I guess and you and xatalos. and idk | ||
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On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote: So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence? The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check. And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller | ||
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On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote: I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway. Oh so you want to out more blues? Cool. Thanks for claiming scum in thread | ||
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On March 27 2012 21:36 Xatalos wrote: Could you make an actual case against me instead of throwing a one liner at me every time I say something? The way I see it, you just panicked after I made my initial lynch vote for you and started throwing baseless one liners at me to somehow make yourself look "less suspicious" by making me look "more suspicious". All this seems like a scared counter-pressure to shift the attention away from yourself. Frankly, I can't think of a reason why a townie would be tunneling so hard on me after I merely made an analytic decision to vote for you (although I switched to gumshoe after I saw his newer posts). The only conclusion I can think of is that you are a Mafia player trying to get me lynched (not very skillfully, I might add), only because I suspected you. I see you made some sort of a "case" against me right after I voted for you, which revolved around me being a bit unsure on who to lynch. This is my first game game of Mafia (in a forum), so of course I wouldn't be 100% confident and decisive in my first posts, but I've been trying to improve and I think I'm a lot more confident in my skills now (there aren't many veterans here either, so it's not really necessary to trust other people's opinions...). And what of it if I use smilies every now and then? Please, make a good case against me or stop that useless spam! Trust me I couldn't be any less scared of being mislynched by you. I will have a bigger post at deadline as promised. Till then I plan on answering posts as if I were in conversation with people | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:28 Zealos wrote: What the, how does this even :X Well, I guess we've gotta be very suspicious of Acro at this point. @Mattchew Considering the town's activeness, it's better you post it sooner rather than later. Posting reads right before deadline means some people won't see it on time + Limits discussion. Missed this piece of shit post. i am posting it before a night deadline... giving people 48 hours to read and discuss. | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:04 Alderan wrote: The way I see it we have to play the probabilities here, and the highest probability is that Acrofales is scum. I'd love for him to get hit tonight so we can focus on others all day tomorrow, but that's out of my hands. Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers..... Would you honestly do that if you were in our position? What do you think of lyter, xatalos, zealos and evantrees | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:13 Zealos wrote: Calling it a shit post is just another poor attempt of yours to cause problems within the town? But fair enough, I thought you meant right before the post deadline :3 I could not care less about causing "problems within the town" I want to find scum and thats it. Who do you think outside of Acro is scum? | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:48 Alderan wrote: Lyter and Evantrees are lurking hard. Lyter is providing some good commentary when he actually posts, but it's never original ideas, all just regurgitated from earlier in the thread. Evantrees is just lurking. No really commentary. Kind of just strikes me as someone that doesn't really want to play. If I had to pick a scum out of the two I'd pick Lyter. I think when he posts he's trying to mess up. I don't get that feeling from Evantrees. As for Xatalos: I'm glad you pointed me to his filter, I had not focused on it as much as I should. Let me pull out some gems. I'm not a fan of posts like this. It's kind of like covering your tracks. Scum knows the alignment of everyone, so they'll make posts like this so they can say "hmm I suspected that might be the case" and gain some credibility. Posts like this are exceedingly scummy as well, and not because I'm mentioned. He is attempting to create some kind of connection between me DYH and risk.nuke based on WIFOM. These types of bases-less connections can very easily mislead town. We've all seen it. He also makes a not that he's not 100% sure about it. You never want to make a really solid claim on someone as scum if they flip town, so he leaves it up for some ambivalence, like he did above. That's weird? On Day 1 he had no problem voting for a throw away who wasn't getting lynched. But Day 2 he's all of a sudden against sheeping? He has a theory as to why the layabout lynch was bad but doesn't really go into why he doesn't find Greymist scummy, only has really softball interactions like: and I've gotta run to class, will finish this in a couple hours, but tell me what you think. I'd like some feedback. Theres my town alderan I know and love | ||
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On March 28 2012 03:48 Curu wrote: gumshoe has been warned for inactivity. Next time it happens he will be forcefully replaced or modkilled. Has he responded to you outside of thread? | ||
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But Mattchew, there are 5 names and only 4 scum. WTF? I believe if we lynch this list we get the scum team. Acrofales has a red-check on him from a confirmed DT, he needs to be lynched tomorrow no matter what. Thats all, end of story. Zealos This is my strongest scum read. First we have his contradictions with how to interact with WBG. He seems to be selectively deaf to WBG using him only to his personal benefit as seen here. + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: On the topic of Wherebugsgo, I'd love to completely ignore him if possible, though I doubt that will end up happening.... On March 22 2012 03:57 Zealos wrote: I think our best bet in regard to WBG is to completely ignore his posts, unless he gives us damn good reason not to. On March 25 2012 23:36 Zealos wrote: Risen seems to be the hot topic, so I'll start with him I'm calling him as Mafia My biggest reasons for this is that he consistently switches topics to talk about wbg, even though it is widely agreed that we should just be ignoring him On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote: Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG: Then we have Zealos arguing in absolutes about Risen flipping scum. This feels like him trying to blend in with the majority opinion. Also, if Risen wasn't lynched its a backhanded way of saving Acro from lynch by discrediting Risen's DT claim. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 05:21 Zealos wrote: Risen first, when he inevitably flips vanilla scum we can move on. On March 27 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: My argument against risen is not that he isn't playing well, but that he is lying. Lying is either mafia, or a town that is detrimental to the town atmosphere. Either way - Lynch. He also constantly flirts with the topic of getting me lynched but never actually pushes it. He is waiting for it to actually gain momentum before he pushes it.He also constantly flirts with the topic of getting me lynched but never actually pushes it. He is waiting for it to actually gain momentum before he pushes it. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 04:43 Zealos wrote: @Acro Matthew is... Weird. He makes some perfectly valid points, but also seems to make some rather moot ones. Although looking at the filter, he makes a LOT of accusations, without having all that much reason. For instance He seems to constantly switch targets, and it seems like he wants to stir up confusion. Although he almost seems too obvious in the way he does it, which could just be bad town. Summary: I would certainly say suspicious, but not 100% mafia yet, but should no better targets appear, would be a reasonable day 1 lynch. On March 23 2012 04:44 Zealos wrote: Not to mention him being incredibly anti Acrofales. He never votes me and his vote ends up as THE ONLY VOTE on Oberyn? On March 27 2012 04:03 Zealos wrote: Ok, I was going to wait until tomorrow, however, his most recent post just tipped me over the edge. Mattchew is the 2nd mafia, and my lynch choice for tomorrow. He very rarely makes useful posts, and right from the start has posted a ton of spam and filler. Examples: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 00:25 Mattchew wrote: lolololololol im going to assume this is sandroba? oh so your his scum teammate? explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum wut? OMG 5 WHOLE POSTS ABOUT HIM 3 OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SERIOUS? NO WAYYYYY wbg you know better than that, I thought you wanted to help town i said it here too herpderp speaking in absolutes is not scum slipping herpderp my first game ever where I was scared to post. (Apparently not)me and SLG <3 vague posts. (Irony)btw defense is completely overrated. I do it cause i have too much fucking time to hawk the thread I'm down with ignoring risen wbg acro And mr zentos completely Welcome to TL Mafia. wut? you have to be joking When was the last time he made a decent case against anyone? He appears to stir up controversy and limit discussion wherever he goes. He's also one of the only people really defending Risen, so there could be a possible link there. However, this will be much more apparent should Risen flip mafia tonight (Assuming lynch) Case against Mattchew. Cool. Terrible case with a ton of quotes taken out of context. Vaguely calling them all spam and having no content. Oh and I defended the town DT, this should of ended his “case” and “pressure" right there but then we have… On March 27 2012 20:56 Zealos wrote: Mattchew, can you make a good case instead of posting annoying 1 liners designed to stir up controversy, or should I just vote for you now? Fine, you don’t like my posting style... lynch me… But after reading how obvious it is to lynch acro, Zealos has a brand new (wishy-washy) trying to blend in point of view. On March 28 2012 01:11 Zealos wrote: I'm split between Acro and Matt for lynching tomorrow, but at the moment Risen flipping DT is just too great an evidence to ignore, so I'll be voting Acro for now. Well no shit. But since you can’t edit the fact you had to see the majority of town think this first screams of scummy agenda trying to get a mislynch on me. On March 28 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: But a disrupted town atmosphere aids mafia, not town. I have suspicions toward you, though I am more inclined to say you're just an annoying townie. I'll post a better answer to that question when the day starts, I wanna have a good read over the thread/filters to decide. Wait…. HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE… I am NOW just an annoying TOWNIE??????? WHAT THE FUCK… There isn’t even close to a reason for this, just straight up change of opinion. (wish wash wish wash wish wash) On March 28 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote: I would also say that I'm not 100% sure acro is scum, though he is by far the best lynch for tomorrow. Oh man lets cover all the bases and not take a lick of responsibility for anything! I quoted this in there but i would love to point out this scum-slip. He somehow knows he will be alive after the night post On March 28 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote: I'll post a better answer to that question when the day starts, I wanna have a good read over the thread/filters to decide. Furthermore he tries to do the trendy townie thing of pressuring people by way of vote. Man does he really get swayed quickly + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 04:12 Zealos wrote: #Original Name Lets try to get him talking On March 23 2012 04:58 Zealos wrote: Well, my vote was to provoke a post like that, which is good enough for me. ##unvote 1 post, that wasn't even very good. That's it. This screams of nervous scum This case is farrrrrrr from hinging on Acro flipping scum, but if he were to, tell me these posts don't scream of an attempt to coach a teammate while "pressuring" him + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote: My thoughts: Acro: Why have you still not given some definitive thoughts? I asked a couple of pages ago and there is still nothing, are you just avoiding the question? The only people you say should be lynched atm are Lurkers, of which I am one, even though I have been fairly active. You made a point against gumshoe but haven't really elaborated or spoken of it since. I want to see you actually follow through on what you are saying. So overall, so far, my Lynch list would be: 1. Acro In response to Acro posting a case (on me) On March 22 2012 23:46 Zealos wrote: I think it is good that you have made an argument against someone using substance, however, it is somewhat less poignient given the substance of his latest post. However, you have constructed a more useful post and formed an opinion, so although I am still a little susipcious, as you basically back down from your own argument, I will change my vote for the time being. Finally we have these 2 quotes which are just so bad they actually look like scum agenda. + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote: It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful. On March 27 2012 05:19 Zealos wrote: Perfect, new person, fresh perspective. Top 3 lynch tagets Jitsu? I AM SCARED OF THE NEW GUY TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW! Xatalos I have been calling him scum and asking for opinions on him all game. Ald also did a pretty nice post on him *click me*My First case *click me*Ald on Xat I'll try to not be redundant. + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 21:36 Xatalos wrote: Could you make an actual case against me instead of throwing a one liner at me every time I say something? The way I see it, you just panicked after I made my initial lynch vote for you and started throwing baseless one liners at me to somehow make yourself look "less suspicious" by making me look "more suspicious". All this seems like a scared counter-pressure to shift the attention away from yourself. Frankly, I can't think of a reason why a townie would be tunneling so hard on me after I merely made an analytic decision to vote for you (although I switched to gumshoe after I saw his newer posts). The only conclusion I can think of is that you are a Mafia player trying to get me lynched (not very skillfully, I might add), only because I suspected you. I see you made some sort of a "case" against me right after I voted for you, which revolved around me being a bit unsure on who to lynch. This is my first game game of Mafia (in a forum), so of course I wouldn't be 100% confident and decisive in my first posts, but I've been trying to improve and I think I'm a lot more confident in my skills now (there aren't many veterans here either, so it's not really necessary to trust other people's opinions...). And what of it if I use smilies every now and then? Please, make a good case against me or stop that useless spam! Funny because Xatalos has yet to make a case on anyone. He took the retarded WBG "lynch Risen" logic of "He is playing too bad to be scum" and translated that into 2 lengthy contentless posts and threw in some thread observations (no real opinions on anything just recaps) + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 23:00 Xatalos wrote: I'm not saying you are a blue, I'm saying I'm 50/50 on whether you are a Mafia pretending to be a blue or an actual blue. There's no way you're a green townie, with your breadcrumbing pointing at a specific role. I don't personally think you're the best lynch target either, but since most people seem focused on lynching you tomorrow, vigi shooting you would save day 3 from being wasted on your lynch (no matter if you're Mafia or town). (I have to say though, if Risen hadn't flipped DT, you would seem like the more convincing blue so far. But if day 3 is going to be wasted on your lynch anyway, there's not much point to leave you alive for tomorrow...). He is wishy washy while coming to obscure conclusions. Even I will entertain the thought that Acro is vanilla town but Xatalos seems convinced he's a blue? This is bizarre and looks like he has been hunting for blues breadcrumbs all game. (Townies should only care about who is town and who is scum, not who has a role.) Also, if you take the time to read through his filter you can see he is still blaming things on this being his first game. This smells of scum trying to compensate for slipping up by saying "oh I didn't know any better". Alas I have ran out of time (6:00PM EST Class) Lyter and evantrees are lurking and scummy. HA! | ||
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On March 28 2012 18:37 Acrofales wrote: D'oh, the mafia would kill another vigi the way this game is going. He was also the only one who seemed to think I was innocent. Time to convince the rest of you!!! I got something to tell you and something to ask before any of that happens. What I have to say is: mfvhsbqlnkdbusaqfkhyuizywovtxwtvlavmvubgziehg And my question is: Mattchew, please tell the world where you went last night? ? | ||
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On March 28 2012 21:05 Acrofales wrote: No answer? I think we both know why. Mattchew, you’re SCUM and can’t bullshit yourself out of this one. Sorry I had to get ready and drive to work | ||
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On March 28 2012 22:06 chaoser wrote: So are you saying there's 4 KP flying around day 1 (SLJ said he was viging evantree, two KP landed on SLJ and one landed on DoYouHas) and only 3 KP was flying around yesterday (MrZentor breadcrumbed he was shoot alderan, MrZentor got shot, Oberyn got shot)? I roleblocked SLJ, so thats why he didn't shoot, and thats why i said scum has 1 or 2 vigs. cause I knew there was atleast 3 KP used on night 1 | ||
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On March 28 2012 22:14 Acrofales wrote: I don't think KP matter at all. He visited MrZentor last night, who was found hacked to bits today. If his bullshit about SLJ is even a little bit true, he roleblocked SLJ, preventing the Evantrees hit and shot him. if you are telling the truth about what you received this is a mod-mistake. Originally I was on Mr. Zentor until about 2-3 hours before the night actions occured because of his obvious breadcrumb of his blue rule with the 0101010101 shit. I switched to alderan then because he became more town in my mind and started posting actual information. I was in class from 23:00 GMT (+00:00) to 02:00 GMT (+00:00) when mr zentor started blue claiming and it was too late to switch back to him | ||
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On March 29 2012 01:25 Acrofales wrote: What happened to you stopping your lies until Curu clarified stuff? Got bored at work.. still haven't lied though Hazy on the details (veterans confirm please?), does a jailer get to know if his target is hit? If not, then trolololol scumtell. Mods can confirm this too, jailor sees if his "jailee" is hit. Mods please come save this game/thread | ||
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On March 29 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and for the rest of the town, I would like to remind you of what we did last cycle, lets not repeat the mistake! Do you realize, this was posted before Risen flipped DT, which WBG was using this to make fun of those who did NOT vote for Risen. You using this image would be making fun of anyone that doesn't vote for you. "PhD" huhh? | ||
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On March 28 2012 19:03 Zealos wrote: What an awful case on me. The idea of me coaching Acro as a scum teammate has gotta be some of the biggest crap I've ever read. Why would I post it in the main thread instaed of just putting it in the mafia thread? It's not that you are purposefully coaching him. Its that you are trying to say he's scummy but trying to show that he can improve to get off your scumlist safely. Also, me asking jitsu about his lynch targets scummy? If you follow that logic, that is pretty much all you've done ALL GAME so you've gotta be scum on your own logic? You asked jitsu his reads literally the second he was put into the game. He has 50 pages to read, to reiterate it screams of you being nervous about the knowledge he has of the game. Why you scared about what he knows? And lets say I was scum, and knew that Risen wasn't mafia then why would I be the one posting the hardest case agaisnt him even though he was almost certainly gonna get lynched anyway? WIFOM Now I'm done defending myself agaisnt your cesspool of a case, I'll go back to looking for scum You addressed 3(ish) of my 7 points and called my case a cesspool. please lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On March 29 2012 03:29 risk.nuke wrote: GreYMisT (5) - risk.nuke, Oberyn, wherebugsgo, layabout, MrZentor Edit. I got layabout confused with someone else, thought he'd died. so nvm. he did die.. he was lynched day 1 and he is green your original post is correct | ||
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I am starting to buy into your greymist idea, but I am not sold based on only townies voting him. I think that just because it was all town and wbg on greymist is kinda weak but so has his posting. i would say that the remaining 3 come out of these 4 zealos, xatalos, lyter, greymist. I would like to discuss this as much as possible with town before i inevitably get shot ps. | ||
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On March 29 2012 05:50 Jitsu wrote: Well, I guess that is another way to skin a cat (pun intended). I would be ok with lynching Alderan tomorrow. Guy gives me scumvibes. Care to discuss my reads and why you agree/disagree while I'm still alive? | ||
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On March 29 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill evantrees. He has no posts. ##vote evantrees Die scum On March 28 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote: Mattchew, Gumshoe, risk.nuke, Evantrees. gg. No. | ||
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On March 29 2012 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote: He listed evantrees last. He's not gonna list four townies. Only I have enough balls to do that. he thought he was going to survive with his fake claim why put so much time and effort into it? | ||
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On March 29 2012 08:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf does that have to do with evantrees being scum? Just read his filter, it'll take you all of 30 seconds. zealos and lyter are way worse.. why am i even bothering talking to you... remember risen? | ||
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On March 29 2012 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Lol wut? How are they worse than a player who has posted...8 times? Also, you voted Risen too, dipshit. I would have voted Acro if I thought that it wouldn't lead to a scum decision. If I switched to acro it would have been 9 to 5 meaning only 2 scum have to switch to secure the lynch they want. I figured I'd trust in my fellow townies... lol... and I argued too vehemently against lynching risen to get called a dipshit over it. | ||
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On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. On March 22 2012 06:13 Mattchew wrote: so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information? i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him Risk.nuke i think is on to it... I could see the scum team being greymist, lyter, zealos | ||
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On March 29 2012 17:21 Zealos wrote: I think with Mattchew still playing and trying to lead the town on with his terrible leads is gonna lead to a mafia win, that being said, he clearly isn't scum. I wanna hear more from Greymist ##vote Greymist Tries to omgus... Votes the person I most recently called out... | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote: Mattchew: I really didn't like his confusing and disruptive way to play on day 1 I don't give a shit if this is beating a dead horse and this post is basically meaningless. MY "confusing and disruptive" WAY TO PLAY CAUGHT SCUM DAY 1. its too bad that I suck too bad at mafia to actually have pushed it, but in no way shape or form was my play confusing or disruptive in retrospect. ADMIT BEING WRONG AND MOVE ON. | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote: Zealos: Apparently some think he's suspicious, but I don't really see it. He's been very active, contributing and created a pro-town atmosphere. Unless I see something damning from him, I'm not willing to vote for him. Verdict: Bad lynch. So he has been "active, contributing and created a pro-town atmosphere." 2 of these have literally 0 to do with alignment. And his dumbass argument with me about Risen was actually disruptive as fuck to the thread during that day. risk.nuke: I was a bit suspicious of him after his first posts, but his later posts have been a lot more contributive. I'm not sold on either his innocence or guiltiness yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. "If you guys start to vote risk.nuke i will too because he's town and I like lynching townies" - this paraphrased Alderan: He hasn't contributed very much, but isn't really a lurker either. Not a very bad lynch choice, but not among the best. Verdict: Medium lynch. chaoser: Clearly has experience in playing, but hasn't contributed much, disregarding some of the more trivial discussion. A semi-lurker who doesn't look very pro-town, but not anti-town either. Verdict: Medium lynch. Lyter: Has contributed little and posted seldom. Something feels off, but not a top lynch yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. sinensis: Doesn't look very interested in adding to the discussion, voting without much explanation or contribution. Apparently suspects evantrees mainly, but doesn't push his lynch other than voting for him. Verdict: Medium lynch. evantrees: A hardcore lurker without real contribution. Certainly feels a bit suspicious, but could also be a disinterested townie. Verdict: Medium lynch. Wish-wash no firm stance GreYMisT: Also an experienced player, but hasn't contributed much or often. Was the runner-up in day 1 lynch, but wasn't voted by even a single Mafia player. Both him and chaoser haven't done much to help town, but GreYMisT feels more suspicious to me. Verdict: Good lynch. meh idk. I haven't seen a decent case against greymist and it looks like risk.nuke's relentless pushing (without much content) is snowballing up. So, I'll probably be voting for GreYMisT tomorrow if I can. barring unforeseen circumstances I cannot see this being a good decision. | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:36 Zealos wrote: I really don't understand what makes me a good lynch target. Day 1 I called out Acro for being suspicious for his first post. I mean, I might have been trying to blend in, but it surely it would have been easier and less suspicious for Acro had I not said anything? Also, when Risen was being lynched anyway, surely as a mafia it would have been better to just vote and not say much, instead I was the one most pushing for the lynch. Why would I put the effort forward to do that as mafia if I knew that he was going to be killed anyway? For exactly the reasons you just listed. | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:51 Zealos wrote: I know this might be shocking, and really hard for you to understand, but when 2 people disagree and argue, it's both people arguing. If you don't like me disagreeing with you then disagree, but don't try to make a vote out of it. but... you were wrong and your motives for how you argued could be directly linked to your alignment. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:21 Zealos wrote: Risen first, when he inevitably flips vanilla scum we can move on. Then you posted this On March 26 2012 06:20 Zealos wrote: There we go, so why no Mattchew check? and On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote: It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful. Which could be 3 of either the dumbest posts ever, or scum trying to cast doubt where there shouldn't be any. You lucked out with WBG (and greymist if he is town) being stupid and wanting to lynch the DT before the "red checked". and before i hear the inevitable "but mattchew you voted risen too". Yes, because when I voted Risen there were already 7 or 8 votes on him and like 2 on acro. This meant that atleast 3 or 4 of the votes on Risen had to be townies so I thought it in best interest of the town to let us (the town) decide who gets lynched. | ||
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On March 30 2012 04:34 Zealos wrote: I'm also going to stop responding to you Mattchew (Which I should have done ages ago) Because it is just a back and forth getting no where and tunneling the discussion. this is called deflection | ||
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On April 05 2012 12:18 kitaman27 wrote: Strong day one from Xatalos by the way, I don't think I considered you at any point. WHATTTTTTTTTTT the smilies man.... the fucking smilies | ||
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The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town. do i need to jackie chan meme you? | ||
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On April 05 2012 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Lies. I'll swear by the correlation between number of unvotes and ones alignment, even if it didn't work this time. this is immediately nullified when you look at how he was coming to each decision edit: and their when their experience level is 0 | ||
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On April 05 2012 12:44 kitaman27 wrote: I don't think it makes him look horrible. No different than a townie moving his vote around targeting the lurkers. I know that I absolutely hate to vote for multiple players during a single day as scum because it draws suspicion from the players you target, even if it is subconscious. It's much easier to try to find a reason that you are suspicious of someone (similar to chaoser's case on risk's opinion of GreYMist's joke) and ride it for the next four days, The way he worded each of his vote switches screamed that he didn't want to take any responsibility for who was lynched... he just wanted to blend in and smile at everyone to put them at ease. | ||
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