A Game of Thrones Mafia

On March 22 2012 01:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Nice way of getting rid of that annoying first post that's aways a bitch for mafia Lyter. Anything else you want to add?

On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D

On March 22 2012 03:26 GreYMisT wrote:


Explain to us why he is.

On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D

On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:
Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor!

Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.
Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me!

First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis.


He then votes for Mattchew.


Lyter defends Acrofales.

Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales



I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.

For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.

On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:

Because I'm town. How about you?

On March 22 2012 06:16 MrZentor wrote:


I know you didn't actually vote for him, but you might as well have.

On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me.

On March 22 2012 06:36 MrZentor wrote:


Let me explain this in layman's terms. Whether or not you actually voted for him is irrelevant, especially this early in the game, because of these reasons.

1. He thought you did.
2. You acted as if you had.
3. This early in the game, votes don't really mean anything.

Because of these reasons, the only difference it would have made if you had actually voted for him is that you wouldn't have posted that you hadn't voted for him.
Capiche?

On March 22 2012 06:46 MrZentor wrote:


Not if the two people don't know that votes this early in the game don't really mean anything.

Nice try, funny guy.

On March 22 2012 06:52 GreYMisT wrote:
Matt, Do you feel as though both Acro and Gum can be mafia? I find it unlikely that when Acro got the coaching that you believe he did, they told him to go on Gumshoe this early. Acro to me seems more like what i see in a very new town player. I would be much more willing to lynch gumshoe over him at this point, as he has actually posted things under a mafia agenda.

On March 22 2012 06:59 MrZentor wrote:


I was just pointing out that you were wrong about the third point contradicting the first.
You don't have to be so mad about it.

yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure.

On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote:

2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town.

On February 22 2012 08:58 DoYouHas wrote:
Mattchew, you're my hero.

Good Luck Town!

(I'll save my gg for when we win this thing, HUZZAH!)

On March 22 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote:
Mattchew, you were my hero in SNMM7 because you defended me and made a case that I thought was good and had pegged many of the mafia (I was half wrong). After I died you failed to take up the leadership role that my endorsement should have garnered you because you were so busy posting 1 liners and pissing people off that you didn't rally people to your cause. You allowed mafia to be the reasonable voices in the town.

On March 22 2012 10:54 Alderan wrote:
Rereading through the thread, I think Mattchew's behavior has been bizarre to say the least. Everything he has commented on, whether it be the shaky at best case on Acro, or the "pressure" he has attempted to apply has come across a little bit disingenuous.

I'm not getting hung up on the one liners, playing with him for the tail end of a game previously leads me to believe that it's just his style, but he is someone who tends to act on more solid cases than the Acro case.

On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three?

I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left.

MrZentor:
I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.

Acrofales:
He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.

On March 23 2012 00:32 Xatalos wrote:


"all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that?

I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around.

Haha Petyr can't be lynched though... We'll just have to wait and see what he's going to do. It would be more productive to focus on finding out the Mafia players, since we can't do anything about Petyr, even if his win condition is to kill everyone else or something like that...

Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet...

In any case: if my previous experiences have any value, chaoser and risk.nuke have a higher chance of being Mafia than town.

On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote:
My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.

##Unvote: Acrofales
##Vote: Oberyn

On March 23 2012 05:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:

So how was the class? Any further updates?

What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made?

The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town

Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with.

On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:

Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer:


He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question.

Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?

As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this:


is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia.

Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?

On March 23 2012 07:14 Zealos wrote:
The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn.

On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote:

We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN).

On March 23 2012 20:47 SamuelLJackson wrote:

I had a preliminary town read on you based on quite silly reasoning, but I'm not quite as sure anymore. I do think your play doesn't look like your scum play in werewolves II at least. Have you been scum in any other game?

On March 24 2012 01:04 Acrofales wrote:
Lol Risen. I don't think I ever called you scum, I got irritated reading useless analyses. The policy-lynch on people spamming up the thread with throw-away analyses was only semi-serious and posted in frustration at the lack of useful content. I'd rather lynch Mattchew or Gumshoe, who I suspect of actually being scum, rather than useless townies.

I called out your analysis together with the rest, because despite not being bad like the others, it spams up an entire page and rather than encouraging conversation, stifles it. Instead of correcting with a good analysis you overreact hugely about my suggestion to lynch, and post a load of WIFOM.

Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them.

The only way for us to know anything is to scumhunt (and use our own DTs and trackers) textually. Btw, if WBG actually contributed some useful scumhunting, he *might* be worth listening to, but so far he has trolled and posted random assertions.

On March 23 2012 20:37 Mattchew wrote:
Acro, when I flip town, you will be the first person that Mafia points fingers at, because they know that we are both town and can probably get 2 lynches out of our argument. Have you completely ignored my last posts because I believe there is a lot of content in them, including an original case.

On March 23 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ald, what do you think of xatalos and evantrees?

On March 24 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote:

how do you plan on us using our own DTs and Trackers if you are calling out gumshoe for trying to out blues?

On March 24 2012 01:29 Mattchew wrote:
hi risk, how do you feel about me being lynched?
how do you feel about xatalos and evantrees?

On March 24 2012 01:56 GreYMisT wrote:



Because I feel like you have less of a chance of flipping scum than Obryn

On March 24 2012 02:08 GreYMisT wrote:
You do know that reading the game is not a townie attribute right? And I will say again, it is easy for scum to make a post like that. they know the alingments of everyone. all they have to do is read the thread, gather thoughts from everyone about how certain players stand in the game, and post them as if it was their own.

Evantrees has posting nothing, no opinion.

Xalatos has posted significantly more. I remember what set me slightly off on him earlier was the way he seems as though he wanted to make friends with everyone. despite this he has not yet posted with a scum agenda that I have found as of yet.

I still think obyron is our best choice.

On March 24 2012 04:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:
No it's day 1 and I don't have much to say besides trying to get town off townie lynch wagons and trying to get lurking scum lynched based on flimsy evidence. If I had a solid case against anyone I would have posted it already.

On March 24 2012 03:40 Mattchew wrote:
so syllo, why not vote on evantrees? his vote seems forced and not his own opinion, also he's lurking hardcore

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3. No conditional voting.
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5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
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On March 24 2012 05:01 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: specially with both Matt (imho scum) and Zealos (seriously suspicious) on the bandwagon.

On March 24 2012 05:00 Acrofales wrote:
Gwaaaach, I hate making sense of the voting thread. If I count from VE's post onward, I think I come up with the following count. Counting votes fucking sucks, but I need to know.

Alderan: Greymist (1)
Acrofales: Risen (1)
Mattchew: Evantrees, MrZentor, Acrofales (3)
Gumshoe: Xatalos (1)
Greymist: Oberyn (1)
Risk.nuke: Chaoser (1)
SLJ: ON (1)
Layabout: Alderan, Gumshoe, SLJ (3)
Alderan: DYH (1)
Oberyn: Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos, DYH (4)
DYH: WBG (1)

Which basically means you all suck. It is not only spread out, but the only guy with a majority is not Mattchew, Gumshoe, or Zealos. The three people who have by far the most points in my scumometer. /smacks scumometer. Nope. still gives the same read.

I'm not sure how this normally works, but if the idea is to kill Oberyn based on a vote that is all over the map, it seems fucked up. Can Greymist, Matt, Zealos or DYH please post a decent case on why the hell we should vote Oberyn since his latest post? It seems like a fucked up Mafia bandwagon to me.

On March 24 2012 05:04 Acrofales wrote:

Lol, join the club. Btw, you all suck and my gf is telling me to do the shopping. Be back in a while.

On March 24 2012 05:39 Lyter wrote:
I'm far from set on anyone being scum at the moment, but I feel the person who I'm gonna vote for is SLJ, I think having 2 people share an account is dumb as fuck, people write differently and think differently and it makes it really difficult for everyone I think as a basis.

On March 24 2012 06:05 OriginalName wrote:
Im not confident in either of the top candidates so far. Eventrees is still neglecting the thread and such and probably wouldnt be a half bad target however my vote is going to stay where it is since SLJ seems to be content to sit in the background and just throw blame around while making sure he is as far away from the current lynches as possible instead of just pushing someone and rolling with it, at this point hes probably my most solid read and as such my vote will stay on him.

just some observations on said person as well



Still hiding information, there is no use for town in this. The point of a mason is to disscuss with each other and to allow ideas to be bounced off and plans to be formed that can then be posted into the thread. You have really not shown any results within the thread and seem to be content with the game however it goes.



This is just a detrimental attitude towards lynching scum.

On March 24 2012 08:39 MrZentor wrote:
*sigh*

I really wanted to kill Mattchew,

Risen:
Brings me to the point of this post, since any townie should know to ignore wbg. Layabout has to be SCUM. If you're town you deserve to burn for such a useless vote swap late game. Is it so much to ask for a fucking town that doesn't shit itself and fall apart? Since no one seems to be taking Acro the other scum seriously, I'm voting for layabout.

On March 24 2012 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote:


In this post Risen admits he's an idiot

On March 24 2012 10:12 Risen wrote:
Done for the night. Can't keep looking at the bullshit in this thread. Layabout throws the fuckin game for himself by making the scummiest move he could possibly make (seriously, sitting there lurking would have been 100x better than swapping your vote with nothing attached to it) and now it's just troll time. Peace.

On March 25 2012 02:48 Risen wrote:


How am I trolling? Don't make scum moves day1 and you won't get lynched. It really is that simple. Don't do stupid shit and you won't get lynched. Mafia might go after you at night for being a good player, but you won't get lynched.

On March 24 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:

No, i am basing it off of the need for town to get on the same lynch and the chance that he might actually be scum since oberyn and syllo seem to think he is.

On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:


Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.

On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible.

Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling.

On March 26 2012 05:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie.

On March 26 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote:
Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all?

On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote:

It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful.

On March 27 2012 02:08 Zealos wrote:
I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm not sure why acro is under doubt?

On March 27 2012 02:19 Xatalos wrote:


If I had been the first voter, I would have probably voted for gumshoe... But then I saw that Risen had already gathered 5(?) votes with his anti-town behaviour, and since there was no chance to lynch gumshoe anymore (everyone seems to have written him off as a dumb townie or something) I thought that this was an okay lynch too - at least better than the previous lynch of layabout Risen has been creating chaos in the thread and prevented a lot of potentially useful discussion, so I find it a bit hard to believe he would actually be a Detective... But considering his overall lackluster reasoning, he might just be a REALLY bad Detective. Still, this isn't a bad lynch, although not initially my favorite lynch either (I still can't let gumshoe off my suspicions, at least until he has posted more and better). I'll have to go through every player's filter to make a rank order of their suspiciousness to make my life easier...

OriginalName... Not really sure what to make of him. He's been lurking hardcore, but he hasn't made any Mafia reads for me so far (unlike gumshoe, who has been equally lurking). I mentioned evantrees's lurking because he was a runner-up in yesterday's lynch and as such SHOULD be focusing on contributing and clearing his name, but it seemed more like he wanted to hide and be forgotten... I'll have to check both OriginalName's and evantrees's filters carefully to see if there is something indicative of Mafia play (their filters are among the shortest ones though, so there isn't much to work with yet).

Are you going to vote for Risen yourself? Or for someone like GreYMisT? There's not much point in throwing a single vote at someone right now though, since they won't feel even a slight bit of pressure from that. Risen has made us waste a day on himself and most likely can't avoid being lynched at this point. If he is Mafia, my suspicions for Acrofales will drop quite a bit (I can't imagine Mafia risking two members only to waste a day of discussion). If he actually is a Detective, well... It doesn't yet reveal us Acrofales's alignment, but I'd be more cautious about him (a Vigilante hit on him wouldn't be a bad option).

On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:

GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?

On March 27 2012 02:30 Zealos wrote:

Then by definition you can't be sure. As for acro, if the only argument for him being mafia is Risen being DT then I have no reason to think he's mafia unless Risen flips DT tonight.

On March 27 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote:
My argument against risen is not that he isn't playing well, but that he is lying. Lying is either mafia, or a town that is detrimental to the town atmosphere. Either way - Lynch.

On March 27 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote:
Being DT.

On March 27 2012 03:05 Alderan wrote:

@Mattchew- You seem to think that Risen my actually be DT. Is that accurate, and if so who would you rather vote for? Currently your vote is still on Risen...

On March 27 2012 03:06 Zealos wrote:
Oh, and the only argument against me is that I am voting and making a case against him. If anyone can show me anything he's done right, he might have some kind of defense.

On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:

for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"

2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.

On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote:
Aha, this is where it gets good, and if you'd had read the thread properly, you'd see I had pretty sound reasoning for this:



Why on earth if he said this, and he was DT, didn't he check Mattchew last night? It makes no sense whatsoever, instead he claims he checked Acro, and backed up his argument by saying he thought a rolechecker should check Mattchew (derp)

Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG:

On March 22 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote:
On the topic of Wherebugsgo, I'd love to completely ignore him if possible, though I doubt that will end up happening....

On top of which, he completely avoids answering my direct question:

Not to mention calling me and others scum with very very little to no evidence to back up his claims:



The only argument he's made against anyone is the whole "I'm DT, lynch Acro" Doesn't this smack you as mindbogglingly stupid?
Risen is the lynch we should make today, with absolutely no exceptions, he is super scummy.

On March 27 2012 03:23 Zealos wrote:
That post was... incredibly irrelevant? I'm saying as anything, whether or not he is DT, what has he done pro-town?

On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:

Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say.

Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch.

Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment.

Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here:

You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind!

Now lets look at the rest of the evidence:
Risen
Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +.
Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts).

The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities.

In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis.

Acro
I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check.

Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT).

And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have.

To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too.

On March 27 2012 03:30 Alderan wrote:


Ok that makes sense, I must have missed where that was being discussed.

The only wrench in that plan is if he flips vanilla townie, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Where the fuck have gumshoe and lyter been?

On March 27 2012 03:47 MrZentor wrote:
Alderan, could you please answer this.

On March 27 2012 03:50 Zealos wrote:

It all it reads is "I'm mad" then you clearly need to read better. What reasoning do we have to believe he is DT?

On March 27 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote:


In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid.

On March 27 2012 03:36 Mattchew wrote:

Ald with this post I would lynch you off meta in a heartbeat. You are blending in being agreeable but looking like you are helping to create content just like the last time we played together. I think that you are a better scum hunter then what you have shown thus far. Who are your scum reads (outside the risen/acro debacle) and why?

On March 27 2012 09:09 Alderan wrote:


No thoughts on OriginalName/Jitsu?

On March 27 2012 09:22 Lyter wrote:
Ah, a little too late lol, eyes on Acro I guess

On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:


So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?

On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:
I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway.

On March 27 2012 21:36 Xatalos wrote:


Could you make an actual case against me instead of throwing a one liner at me every time I say something? The way I see it, you just panicked after I made my initial lynch vote for you and started throwing baseless one liners at me to somehow make yourself look "less suspicious" by making me look "more suspicious". All this seems like a scared counter-pressure to shift the attention away from yourself. Frankly, I can't think of a reason why a townie would be tunneling so hard on me after I merely made an analytic decision to vote for you (although I switched to gumshoe after I saw his newer posts). The only conclusion I can think of is that you are a Mafia player trying to get me lynched (not very skillfully, I might add), only because I suspected you.

I see you made some sort of a "case" against me right after I voted for you, which revolved around me being a bit unsure on who to lynch. This is my first game game of Mafia (in a forum), so of course I wouldn't be 100% confident and decisive in my first posts, but I've been trying to improve and I think I'm a lot more confident in my skills now (there aren't many veterans here either, so it's not really necessary to trust other people's opinions...). And what of it if I use smilies every now and then?

Please, make a good case against me or stop that useless spam!

On March 27 2012 16:28 Zealos wrote:
What the, how does this even :X
Well, I guess we've gotta be very suspicious of Acro at this point.
@Mattchew Considering the town's activeness, it's better you post it sooner rather than later. Posting reads right before deadline means some people won't see it on time + Limits discussion.

On March 28 2012 02:04 Alderan wrote:
The way I see it we have to play the probabilities here, and the highest probability is that Acrofales is scum. I'd love for him to get hit tonight so we can focus on others all day tomorrow, but that's out of my hands.

Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers.....

Would you honestly do that if you were in our position?

On March 28 2012 02:13 Zealos wrote:

Calling it a shit post is just another poor attempt of yours to cause problems within the town? But fair enough, I thought you meant right before the post deadline :3

On March 28 2012 02:48 Alderan wrote:



Lyter and Evantrees are lurking hard.

Lyter is providing some good commentary when he actually posts, but it's never original ideas, all just regurgitated from earlier in the thread.

Evantrees is just lurking. No really commentary. Kind of just strikes me as someone that doesn't really want to play.

If I had to pick a scum out of the two I'd pick Lyter. I think when he posts he's trying to mess up. I don't get that feeling from Evantrees.


As for Xatalos:
I'm glad you pointed me to his filter, I had not focused on it as much as I should. Let me pull out some gems.




I'm not a fan of posts like this. It's kind of like covering your tracks. Scum knows the alignment of everyone, so they'll make posts like this so they can say "hmm I suspected that might be the case" and gain some credibility.



Posts like this are exceedingly scummy as well, and not because I'm mentioned. He is attempting to create some kind of connection between me DYH and risk.nuke based on WIFOM. These types of bases-less connections can very easily mislead town. We've all seen it. He also makes a not that he's not 100% sure about it. You never want to make a really solid claim on someone as scum if they flip town, so he leaves it up for some ambivalence, like he did above.




That's weird? On Day 1 he had no problem voting for a throw away who wasn't getting lynched. But Day 2 he's all of a sudden against sheeping? He has a theory as to why the layabout lynch was bad but doesn't really go into why he doesn't find Greymist scummy, only has really softball interactions like:


and


I've gotta run to class, will finish this in a couple hours, but tell me what you think. I'd like some feedback.

On March 28 2012 06:10 Alderan wrote:


No you can't.

On March 28 2012 02:35 Zealos wrote:
I'll post a better answer to that question when the day starts, I wanna have a good read over the thread/filters to decide.

On March 28 2012 07:53 MrZentor wrote:


I hope it is.

It's awesome.

On March 28 2012 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
D'oh, the mafia would kill another vigi the way this game is going. He was also the only one who seemed to think I was innocent. Time to convince the rest of you!!! I got something to tell you and something to ask before any of that happens. What I have to say is:
mfvhsbqlnkdbusaqfkhyuizywovtxwtvlavmvubgziehg


And my question is: Mattchew, please tell the world where you went last night?

On March 28 2012 21:05 Acrofales wrote:
No answer? I think we both know why. Mattchew, you’re SCUM and can’t bullshit yourself out of this one.

On March 28 2012 22:01 Acrofales wrote:

Just one. Why are you lying?

On March 28 2012 22:06 chaoser wrote:


So are you saying there's 4 KP flying around day 1 (SLJ said he was viging evantree, two KP landed on SLJ and one landed on DoYouHas) and only 3 KP was flying around yesterday (MrZentor breadcrumbed he was shoot alderan, MrZentor got shot, Oberyn got shot)?

On March 28 2012 22:14 Acrofales wrote:
I don't think KP matter at all. He visited MrZentor last night, who was found hacked to bits today. If his bullshit about SLJ is even a little bit true, he roleblocked SLJ, preventing the Evantrees hit and shot him.

On March 29 2012 01:25 Acrofales wrote:

What happened to you stopping your lies until Curu clarified stuff?

Hazy on the details (veterans confirm please?), does a jailer get to know if his target is hit? If not, then trolololol scumtell.

On March 29 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and for the rest of the town, I would like to remind you of what we did last cycle, lets not repeat the mistake!

On March 28 2012 19:03 Zealos wrote:

What an awful case on me. The idea of me coaching Acro as a scum teammate has gotta be some of the biggest crap I've ever read. Why would I post it in the main thread instaed of just putting it in the mafia thread?

Also, me asking jitsu about his lynch targets scummy? If you follow that logic, that is pretty much all you've done ALL GAME so you've gotta be scum on your own logic?

And lets say I was scum, and knew that Risen wasn't mafia then why would I be the one posting the hardest case agaisnt him even though he was almost certainly gonna get lynched anyway?

Now I'm done defending myself agaisnt your cesspool of a case, I'll go back to looking for scum

On March 29 2012 03:29 risk.nuke wrote:

GreYMisT (5) - risk.nuke, Oberyn, wherebugsgo, layabout, MrZentor

Edit. I got layabout confused with someone else, thought he'd died. so nvm.

On March 29 2012 05:50 Jitsu wrote:
Well, I guess that is another way to skin a cat (pun intended).

I would be ok with lynching Alderan tomorrow. Guy gives me scumvibes.

On March 29 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Let's kill evantrees. He has no posts.

##vote evantrees

Die scum

On March 28 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Mattchew, Gumshoe, risk.nuke, Evantrees. gg.

On March 29 2012 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
He listed evantrees last. He's not gonna list four townies. Only I have enough balls to do that.

On March 29 2012 08:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf does that have to do with evantrees being scum?

Just read his filter, it'll take you all of 30 seconds.

On March 29 2012 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


Lol wut? How are they worse than a player who has posted...8 times?

Also, you voted Risen too, dipshit.

On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:

oh so your his scum teammate?

On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:

over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry.

On March 22 2012 06:13 Mattchew wrote:

so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information?

i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him

On March 29 2012 17:21 Zealos wrote:
I think with Mattchew still playing and trying to lead the town on with his terrible leads is gonna lead to a mafia win, that being said, he clearly isn't scum.
I wanna hear more from Greymist
##vote Greymist

On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote:
Mattchew: I really didn't like his confusing and disruptive way to play on day 1

On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote:

Zealos: Apparently some think he's suspicious, but I don't really see it. He's been very active, contributing and created a pro-town atmosphere. Unless I see something damning from him, I'm not willing to vote for him. Verdict: Bad lynch.

risk.nuke: I was a bit suspicious of him after his first posts, but his later posts have been a lot more contributive. I'm not sold on either his innocence or guiltiness yet. Verdict: Medium lynch.

Alderan: He hasn't contributed very much, but isn't really a lurker either. Not a very bad lynch choice, but not among the best. Verdict: Medium lynch.

chaoser: Clearly has experience in playing, but hasn't contributed much, disregarding some of the more trivial discussion. A semi-lurker who doesn't look very pro-town, but not anti-town either. Verdict: Medium lynch.

Lyter: Has contributed little and posted seldom. Something feels off, but not a top lynch yet. Verdict: Medium lynch.

sinensis: Doesn't look very interested in adding to the discussion, voting without much explanation or contribution. Apparently suspects evantrees mainly, but doesn't push his lynch other than voting for him. Verdict: Medium lynch.

evantrees: A hardcore lurker without real contribution. Certainly feels a bit suspicious, but could also be a disinterested townie. Verdict: Medium lynch.

GreYMisT: Also an experienced player, but hasn't contributed much or often. Was the runner-up in day 1 lynch, but wasn't voted by even a single Mafia player. Both him and chaoser haven't done much to help town, but GreYMisT feels more suspicious to me. Verdict: Good lynch.

So, I'll probably be voting for GreYMisT tomorrow if I can.

On March 30 2012 03:36 Zealos wrote:
I really don't understand what makes me a good lynch target. Day 1 I called out Acro for being suspicious for his first post. I mean, I might have been trying to blend in, but it surely it would have been easier and less suspicious for Acro had I not said anything? Also, when Risen was being lynched anyway, surely as a mafia it would have been better to just vote and not say much, instead I was the one most pushing for the lynch. Why would I put the effort forward to do that as mafia if I knew that he was going to be killed anyway?

On March 30 2012 03:51 Zealos wrote:

I know this might be shocking, and really hard for you to understand, but when 2 people disagree and argue, it's both people arguing. If you don't like me disagreeing with you then disagree, but don't try to make a vote out of it.

On March 26 2012 05:21 Zealos wrote:
Risen first, when he inevitably flips vanilla scum we can move on.

On March 26 2012 06:20 Zealos wrote:



There we go, so why no Mattchew check?

On March 27 2012 01:31 Zealos wrote:

It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful.

On March 30 2012 04:34 Zealos wrote:

I'm also going to stop responding to you Mattchew (Which I should have done ages ago) Because it is just a back and forth getting no where and tunneling the discussion.

On April 05 2012 12:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Strong day one from Xatalos by the way, I don't think I considered you at any point.

The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town.

On April 05 2012 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:


Lies. I'll swear by the correlation between number of unvotes and ones alignment, even if it didn't work this time.

On April 05 2012 12:44 kitaman27 wrote:


I don't think it makes him look horrible. No different than a townie moving his vote around targeting the lurkers.

I know that I absolutely hate to vote for multiple players during a single day as scum because it draws suspicion from the players you target, even if it is subconscious. It's much easier to try to find a reason that you are suspicious of someone (similar to chaoser's case on risk's opinion of GreYMist's joke) and ride it for the next four days,