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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Anyone else have any other fucking questions? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:18 VisceraEyes wrote: When I said Jackal was 'feigning' a read, I meant that he was, as Jackal said, 'yanking my chain'...that while I can see him thinking that the way I'm playing is "off" (this is a new style I'm trying out) he didn't really come to the ultimate conclusion that I'm scum based on my posts, and that he was instead faking a red-read on me to guage my reaction to the pressure. Because you're wrong, not only scum 'fake reads'...scum have to make 'fake cases' but both town and scum can 'fake reads' for any number of reasons. The main case against your lynch of VE is that he's trying a new style, which by default makes his posts very different than other games | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
Trying a new style is not a good defense when your town play has degraded. This can be seen in Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II with TheToast. Pandain had him pinned in day 1 for playing different with his town play, but no one else was willing to lynch him because he said "he was trying out a new style." Scum ended up winning in that game. Unless this new style is better than his old style, that is not really a good defense. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise? Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it. Well what is the point of saying "lets see what shakes out" if you are sure he is scum? To me that reads as a pressure vote. More importantly what exactly is the case against him? xksc explained his reasoning recently. Do you have anything more to go on than "he was wishy-washy about his Jackal read". On March 18 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: He's tripped a scum-alarm for me, particularly where his read of you is concerned. I found it to be weak and wishywashy. He even goes so far as to clarify that his read of you is "likely to change"...twice he said it. Plus not having much of a reason to state in-thread that he had a town read on you. Like, I have a town read on you, but his first response to my line of questioning was like "I don't know, I can't explain, etc etc." I know exactly why I have a town read on you, and it's quite easy to explain (as I demonstrated). And while I hope that doesn't change, I would never say that it's "likely" to change because I'm working under the assumption that I'm right. This does not a case make. It was very early day 1 and this is his first game, it should not be surprising that he isn't confident in his reads. Explain to me how this makes him scum? On March 18 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, claim after one vote. That's not doing you any favors either. I think we got a winner here guys. Ready, set, VOTE! This is so stupid my head hurts. He said he was VT. How is that claim? What is he supposed to do, maybe say something like this On March 18 2012 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone that I'm town and definitely NOT scum this game His claim says nothing about his alignment but you take it as further evidence for your case. On March 18 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm asking why you'd be considered 'a prime lynch candidate'...you seem to have a lot of inherant guilt that's bubbling forth just in our little interaction...I can't wait to see what the case on you will be tomorrow.. His post that you were referring to is this On March 18 2012 10:17 johnnywup wrote: Because I don't want people to think that I'm saying he's definitely town. If people think I *know* he's scum, then I'd be a top candidate for lynch... This is my first time playing and I'm not good at articulating what I'm thinking. It comes back to the same point, he isn't confident in his reads. Now yes he could be scum, but the point is there is nothing here that doesn't fit with a new townie. Your "inherent guilt" is bullshit because he is just trying to clear his name. You haven't explained why he must be scum, just that he backpedalled on his reads. He has shown he is willing to try and clear his name. He has been active and transparent and you on the other hand are tunneling like a crazy person. This should not come out of a veteran's keyboard On March 18 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote: At any rate, good luck with defending the indefensible, because as little reason as you think I have to be attacking him, that's exactly as little reason you have for defending him unless you know something I don't. You say he's a new player - I say I'm calling out new player scum mistakes. If I see a bullshit case on someone who could be a townie I am going to poke holes in it. It is up to you to prove he is mafia, not the other way round. We should never lynch a townie because people are scared of defending those they see as town. Right now you are being pushy and vocal and trying to get reactions which is fine, but you get held to the same standards as everyone else. Explain your vote. If you have something else I'd like to see it because everything I read from you about Johnny is based on the same principle. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 19 2012 05:54 slOosh wrote: And all of this has nothing to do with johnnywup's alignment as you think it does. It is your actions and motives in interaction with him. And I wanted a clear response to my case rather than something that wasn't my case. My read basically aligns with Nemesis and Probulous, and I didn't defend him against VE because it was generating discussion and revealed people's thinking and actions, of which you were one. On March 19 2012 10:53 xsksc wrote: That's going along with your logic of course. But are you saying that hypocrisy isn't a good scum tell? Do you actually think I'm scum or are you just voting me to demonstrate that? Catching up on the thread now about the VE stuff. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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slOosh
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Thanks for the tips Probulous. As always, you're a pleasure to read. So you don't want us to understand your reasoning or the motives behind your actions? I am just asking you to explain your vote but you are being deliberately opaque. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
##Vote: VisceraEyes Maybe you'll play now. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc. Maybe that's good idea, tunnel vision is never a good thing. I think you are highly suspicious. Your case on me feels fabricated and nonsensical, and your filter contains nothing but silly attacks on me, you have literally commented on NOTHING else all game. On March 19 2012 12:44 slOosh wrote: I didn't give my read because And I wanted a clear response to my case rather than something that wasn't my case. Seriously, what on earth kind of reason is that to not elaborate on your read? Withholding information because I hadn't responded yet? WHY? I don't care if your case on me had nothing to do with johnnys alighnment, your case on me is entirely irellevent to the question. I answered your questions (some of them several times -_-), yet you still neglect to answer me every single time I ask you. Why would it have been so difficult to tell me where you got your town read on him from? Scumbuddies? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:53 Probulous wrote: Fuck this ##Vote: VisceraEyes Maybe you'll play now. I'm not interested in "selling" johnnywup to anyone as a lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I'm interested in hearing some other options, but half the players are inactive. So yeah, good luck with your VE vote. Let's see what that shakes loose. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not interested in "selling" johnnywup to anyone as a lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I'm interested in hearing some other options, but half the players are inactive. So yeah, good luck with your VE vote. Let's see what that shakes loose. So you clearly don't believe he is scum then. Here is my thought process VE thinks Johnny is scum ->VE votes for Johnny Probulous doesn't think Johnny is scum-> Probulous asks for a clear case from VE to check if he is missing something VE tells Probulous to fuck off-> Probulous is confused A town VE would want people to vote for scum -> VE is not town If you believe Johnny is scum, you should want him lynched. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:21 Probulous wrote: So you clearly don't believe he is scum then. Here is my thought process VE thinks Johnny is scum ->VE votes for Johnny Probulous doesn't think Johnny is scum-> Probulous asks for a clear case from VE to check if he is missing something VE tells Probulous to fuck off-> Probulous is confused A town VE would want people to vote for scum -> VE is not town If you believe Johnny is scum, you should want him lynched. It looks like he wants him lynched, he just doesn't think there's enough people that also want him lynched so he's pursuing other options. That's how I see it. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:25 johnnywup wrote: he does still want me lynched, hes made that much clear. he just has a better candidate in mind, seems like Well if he wants you lynched he would be selling it to the rest of us, so no he doesn't want you lynched. Actions speak louder than words and his actions say he no longer thinks you are scum. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:26 xsksc wrote: It looks like he wants him lynched, he just doesn't think there's enough people that also want him lynched so he's pursuing other options. That's how I see it. I am asking him for a clear case that doesn't boil down to "he changed his reads", that is all. Sure I am only one vote but hey one vote is still a vote right? More importantly if you beleive you ahve scum day 1 you push that lynch till he dies, you don't go "Aah it's too hard, better try next time." I have no problem with him disagreeing with me, it is his insistence that he won't even explain his position that makes me think he has no position. He just chose someone and ran with it. The fact that he was willing to lynch someone based on this makes him scum in my mind. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I don't want to have to go all OMGUS on you Probulous, so please understand that I know that you're better than to actually think I'm scum. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Probulous, you're dealing with too many extremes. First of all, there are more than one scum in this game. While I understand we can only lynch one at a time, I perceive a fair amount of resistance to his lynch and I'm opening myself up to other options. This isn't hard shit to understand, and I think you're being intentionally oblique. Lighten up sir. Look, me and jdub are cool. He knows what's up. If I'm wrong and he's town, me backing off him is a chance for him to do some actual scumhunting instead of constantly defending himself. I don't want to have to go all OMGUS on you Probulous, so please understand that I know that you're better than to actually think I'm scum. Thanks for the backhanded compliment. If you think I am scum say so, I hate it when people imply shit. Be straight with me and forget the veiled threats. I don't like your play, it reeks of scum to me. I haven't played a game with you before so I am not sure if you always this "loquacious". Your targeting of Johnny who was clearly confused and out of his depth, was fine for an initial prod but to keep going looks like scum hoping for a wagon to form. When it was clear it wasn't happening, you backed off. My biggest issue with you is that you are not being transparent. You are posting a lot but when asked for specific information, you refuse. Why? I can't reconcile that. I'm leaving my vote there for now, there are still many hours left in the day. Tobon is still on my radar so if he turns out to be a more viable lynch today I will switch. | ||
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