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On March 19 2012 08:03 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:33 xsksc wrote:On March 19 2012 07:32 sandroba wrote:
I'm disappoint that you think jonny is mafia. Let's kill jackal gogogo any particular reason or do you just feel like it? Are you still on the fence about Johnny? To me his reaction was pretty townie. He changed his read because he realised he had nothing to base it on. How is that scummy? Since then he has been on the backfoot all game long. VE just keeps nailing him with small errors that could come from both a town or scum. So why do think Johnny is scum?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 10:14 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:31 johnnywup wrote:
I'm town. If there's anything about me that makes me seem like scum, address it and i'll give my reasons on why I acted that way. I think a couple of your posts are a bit "off" if you look at them from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning.
But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. This first post, I just can't get my head around it. A townie doesn't keep his faction hidden, it's extremely important to establish your innocence and let people KNOW that you're a townie. Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought Jackal was town, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it. Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda. I'm not saying you're scum, yet, but I really don't like the way you are posting. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:
Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:42 johnnywup wrote:
but like i said this opinion is not concrete and is very likely to change. You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why?
My problem with him was his bad posting for the most part, I couldn't make sense of it, it didn't look like a townie to me, why would a townie be so worried about having an unpopular opinnion? If he's town he has nothing to hide! A johnny lynch in my eyes is preferrable to a lurker lynch or a no lynch, but I hope we can find someone scummier by the end of the day.
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Oh and my post to sandroba that you quoted was about lynching jackal, lol.
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##Vote Nemesis
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On March 19 2012 08:13 xsksc wrote:
My problem with him was his bad posting for the most part, I couldn't make sense of it, it didn't look like a townie to me, why would a townie be so worried about having an unpopular opinnion? If he's town he has nothing to hide! A johnny lynch in my eyes is preferrable to a lurker lynch or a no lynch, but I hope we can find someone scummier by the end of the day.
To me that is a null tell at this stage of the game. He thought Jackal was town based off of a feeling, that much is obvious. It looked like Jackal wanted to contribute and VE had already stated he thought Jackal was town. I doubt Johnny expected the response he got and so back pedalled when he realised his mistake. Being lynched is bad for your team whether you are scum or town. I think if he was scum, he would have been told to shut up rather than constantly replying with stuff which doesn't clarify his alignment. It is not much but neither is the case against him.
Since then he has been constantly trying to reassert himself. Now that could be scum or town, I am not happy lynching someone based off of that. Especially someone in their first game, if it was VE who made those posts, then yes he should know better.
I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going?
@VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched?
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On March 19 2012 08:14 xsksc wrote:
Oh and my post to sandroba that you quoted was about lynching jackal, lol. ROFL, my mistake. I read it as you being confused about his disappointment.
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##Unvote: Probulous
I have to go for a bit for now, but when I come back I'll give you guys my scum read so far.
snarfs, mind pointing out which comments I skipped that VE made? I ignored sandroba's question of "what's the point of the question?" because I thought that it was indeed a pretty useless question and wasn't very well thought out. If you are talking about this:
On March 19 2012 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let me ask you this Nemesis. How would you expect a newbScum to react to the pressure I've been applying? You seem to know exactly how a newbTown would react, so surely the converse is true as well, yes?
I addressed it, but didn't answer it as he expected because it was a stupid question. As I said, what he found to be a scumtell was really just a null tell. I didn't say that it was a newb town tell as he seems to imply with his question.
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On March 19 2012 06:15 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That being said, Tobon planning to just bandwagon is scummy. We need more posts from him, and also need lurkers to stop lurking. I hate lurkers. I'm looking at you, snarfs, Toad, sandroba. I'd be happy to post more. What more would you like me to talk about? And what I said was that if it came down to it, that I'd rather bandwagon than allow a no-lynch, because I believe a no-lynch to be a big waste of time. You'll notice that I haven't actually voted for or tried to push the case against anyone with lynch votes yet. But yes, if just as the current example, Johnnywup has the most votes but no majority and we're near the end of the day, I'd add my vote to try to get a lynch rather than leaving a no-lynch.
Only scum do this. It absolves you of your responsibility to provide a reason for your vote. If I can say "well everyone is voting Johnny so I will vote Johnny" then you cannot tell if my motives are town or mafia driven. Aside from the Dirkzor analysis of your post, you keep asking questions (1, 2, 3, 4). You never answer them yourself, or provide opinions for us to analyse. The only thing of substance you have produced is this
On March 19 2012 07:20 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I want to know your thoughts. Who are you finding scummy? What do you think of the current discussion? Even if you don't trust your reads, it doesn't mean that they won't give insight for other people. Initially, I thought that VE was pressuring Johnny to gain info, and even though I find Johnny's response a null read (can't tell whether it's newbie town or newbie scum - I can identify with his reaction being a newb myself either way), that seemed good townie behavior. However, the way in which he has now backed off and unvoted, as well as defending Sloosh against a charge of chainsawing, without a whole lot of _there_ there, and just generally controlling the conversation, makes me wonder if he's pulling the strings here. What if Johnny is newbie scum, and VE is also scum? VE pushes a little too hard, gets some of the rest of us to defend, and never really intends Johnny's lynch at all? He gets a lot of time spent, and if Johnny isn't lynched the town gains nothing, whereas if Johnny is lynched, VE gets a lot of credit for the success of his "random" accusation. It seems like a clever win-win he might have built. That seems like an awful lot of paranoia on my part, though. It's much simpler to just assume that scum is hiding amongst the lurkers rather than the scum actually controlling conversation from the start. In short, I find VE scummiest of the active posters so far, but a lot of my suspicion remains on the lurkers. Show nested quote +You're looking to bandwagon on a (hopefully) scum target, and you hope it will improve your towniness.
Also, it's halfway through the day, not almost end of day. Yup, which is why I haven't voted yet.
Which is a lovely piece of waffle which can be summarised as "I think VE is scummy for reasons that may or may not make sense". There are reasons to be suspicious of VE, his insistence that Johnny is scum would be a nice way to get a bandwagon vote through. He wouldn't be bandwagoning as he lead the lynch. I think this is what you were trying to explain but your case is really convoluted.
This is a very wishy-washy piece of fluff that makes it look like you are contributing without contributing. If you don't shape up before the end of the day and actually provide content I will gladly see you swing.
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On March 19 2012 08:35 Nemesis wrote:##Unvote: ProbulousI have to go for a bit for now, but when I come back I'll give you guys my scum read so far. snarfs, mind pointing out which comments I skipped that VE made? I ignored sandroba's question of "what's the point of the question?" because I thought that it was indeed a pretty useless question and wasn't very well thought out. If you are talking about this: Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let me ask you this Nemesis. How would you expect a newbScum to react to the pressure I've been applying? You seem to know exactly how a newbTown would react, so surely the converse is true as well, yes? I addressed it, but didn't answer it as he expected because it was a stupid question. As I said, what he found to be a scumtell was really just a null tell. I didn't say that it was a newb town tell as he seems to imply with his question.
Yes, that was the one I was referring to. From VE's follow up, he made it sound like you were dodging a question, but I see now that you did in fact explain that it was just null tells, not necessarily scum/town.
Thank you for explaining your thoughts on the question to sandroba.
I am looking forward to getting your scum read as I think that providing some content of the sort would help me ease this feeling that you aren't contributing very much but are trying to make it seem like you are.
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Whatever, dude. I've answered everything asked of me (not much, true). If you have more questions, ask. You may think my substance is "waffle", and heck, you could be right, but you aren't really disagreeing with it either. That post was a bunch of waffle basically saying that you are reading me as a null newbie, and you'll lynch me for not being helpful. Well, if "not helpful" is the only thing you can find to lynch, you aren't doing a very good job. Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to learn to be helpful.
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i find it very scumlike from you, tobon, for wanting to lynch anyone you can. can you clarify on your reason on wanting to bandwagon lynch?
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On March 19 2012 09:10 Tobon wrote:
Whatever, dude. I've answered everything asked of me (not much, true). If you have more questions, ask. You may think my substance is "waffle", and heck, you could be right, but you aren't really disagreeing with it either. That post was a bunch of waffle basically saying that you are reading me as a null newbie, and you'll lynch me for not being helpful. Well, if "not helpful" is the only thing you can find to lynch, you aren't doing a very good job. Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to learn to be helpful.
What is with the passive aggressive bullshit? Everything in your filter is just questions and fluff. If you want to help, then find scum. But of course, you don't want to make your alignment clear. You don't want people to actually know, what role you were given because you rolled scum.
##Vote: Tobon
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Day 1 Vote Count Update
johnnywup (1)
Visceraeyes
jcarlsoniv
no-lynch (1)
johnnywup
xsksc (1)
slOosh
Jackal58 (1)
sandroba
Nemesis (1)
Snarfs
Tobon (1)
Probulous
Probulous (0)
Nemesis
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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tobon seems very scum to me, agressive and wanting to kill whoever is easy to kill
##unvote no-lynch
##vote tobon
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if bold matters
##unvote no-lynch
##vote tobon
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On March 19 2012 09:21 Probulous wrote:
What is with the passive aggressive bullshit? Everything in your filter is just questions and fluff. If you want to help, then find scum. But of course, you don't want to make your alignment clear. You don't want people to actually know, what role you were given because you rolled scum.
Here, I'll make my alignment clear: I claim vanilla town. I don't think this will surprise anyone, really, nor do I expect the claim to change anyone's mind. And I wasn't passive aggressive with you, I was (and am) simply dismissive. You really think your case says anything other than that I'm not the best player in the world, which has been obvious since the get-go?
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On March 19 2012 09:36 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:21 Probulous wrote:
What is with the passive aggressive bullshit? Everything in your filter is just questions and fluff. If you want to help, then find scum. But of course, you don't want to make your alignment clear. You don't want people to actually know, what role you were given because you rolled scum. Here, I'll make my alignment clear: I claim vanilla town. I don't think this will surprise anyone, really, nor do I expect the claim to change anyone's mind. And I wasn't passive aggressive with you, I was (and am) simply dismissive. You really think your case says anything other than that I'm not the best player in the world, which has been obvious since the get-go?
No you are avoiding looking for scum. Then when someone points it out you dismiss them. How am I supposed to know you are what you claim you are if you don't bother to even try and contribute. Find me scum and I will remove my vote, but your determination to try brush this aside just confirms my suspicions. You're acting like [UoN]Sentinel from Werewolves II (filter). Instead of taking my advice and start scum hunting, you get all defensive and dismissive. That will not change my position, so if you are town, find me scum.
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On March 19 2012 07:57 Tobon wrote:
Okay, going back then: VE, why the unvote on Johnny? There was supposedly an explanation pending.
There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own.
Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance.
On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
It's like mad libs, just replace "Jackal was town" with "johnnywup is scum" and xsksc's name with someone else's.
Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him.
What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions.
On March 18 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought johnnywup is scum, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it.
Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda.
You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why?
I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all.
Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort.
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On March 16 2012 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
8. This game runs on a plurality voting system. In other words, the person with the most votes will be lynched at the end of every day. On March 17 2012 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lynch will be decided by majority; reminder that no-lynch is an option (##vote no-lynch).
Could we get clarification which system we are using?
On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all.
I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell.
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Theres a poll in OP that asks which type of voting; Majority won
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I'll find scum, or die trying (haha). Meanwhile, since it's generally agreed that sandroba is almost assuredly town, and because my rereading of the general guide just now says indecision and lack of finger-pointing is generally seen as scummy, I will decisively point my finger the same direction he did.
##vote Jackal58
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