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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 19 2012 01:12 GMT
#301
You think what indicates hypocrisy?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 01:12 GMT
#302
oh yeah, boldness:

##vote Jackal58
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 01:17 GMT
#303
On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 07:57 Tobon wrote:
Okay, going back then: VE, why the unvote on Johnny? There was supposedly an explanation pending.


There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own.

Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
It's like mad libs, just replace "Jackal was town" with "johnnywup is scum" and xsksc's name with someone else's.
Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him.


What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought johnnywup is scum, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it.
Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda.

You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why?


I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all.

Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort.


That's partly why I immediately thought chainsaw defence. People pressuring johnny, he's not getting much help, sloosh comes in with a nonsensical case on one of the people pressuring johnny.
"A player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum"
You're right, he could be town and trying to make an effort. However, if johnny turns out to be scum later on, we definitely need to take another look at sloosh.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 01:19 GMT
#304
I should add that I'm specifically referring to this part

"but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way"
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
March 19 2012 01:20 GMT
#305
Sorry for any confusion this may have caused; the poll indicated people wanted majority lynch. I forgot to change the part in the OP to reflect the opinion.

It is now fixed.


7. Players may vote for a no-lynch by posting ##vote no-lynch.
8. This game runs on a majority voting system. In other words, the person with the majority of votes will be lynched at the end of every day. In the case of no majority, a no-lynch will occur.


VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 19 2012 01:27 GMT
#306
I knew what you meant.

But yeah, obviously anyone who defends someone who flips scum will be taken under further scrutiny by default.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 19 2012 01:34 GMT
#307
On March 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
You think what indicates hypocrisy?


Saying someone could be mafia for traits that he himself displays; I think that constitutes hypocrisy.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 01:50 GMT
#308
Hypocrisy? How about this bro?
On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.


On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all)
.

I've asked you here :
On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
I think johnnywup is town and he is responding like deer caught in headlights.

Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.


I have asked you at least 3 times for your reasons on believing that johnny is town. Each time you've neglected to answer, and you were the one who accused ME of sidestepping!
Oh yeah, what was it again?
On March 19 2012 10:08 slOosh wrote:
I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell.


##Vote slOosh.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 01:53 GMT
#309
That's going along with your logic of course.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 19 2012 02:03 GMT
#310
On March 19 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going?

@VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched?


VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 02:39 GMT
#311
Dead thread :/
Where is everyone?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 02:51 GMT
#312
I'm here.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 03:03 GMT
#313
On March 19 2012 11:51 johnnywup wrote:
I'm here.


Hiya johnny, let's do something constructive. If you could kill someone right now, who would it be and why?
How do you feel about the interactions between myself, sloosh, and VE?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 03:06 GMT
#314
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.

I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.

What about you?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 19 2012 03:17 GMT
#315
On March 19 2012 11:03 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going?

@VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched?


VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched.


Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise?

Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 03:19 GMT
#316
On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote:
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.

I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.

What about you?


I would shoot into the inactives, possibly Jackal. I know that jackal is a usually a strong town player, and tends to be pretty aggressive, so his inactivity is worrying me. Obviously he could just be busy (hungover?), but there's already under 20 hours left and we've yet to hear much out of him, can't wait to hear his thoughts.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 19 2012 03:20 GMT
#317
On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote:
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.

I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.

What about you?


My voice is being virtually ignored in spite of me "dictating conversations". Pull the other one jdub.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 19 2012 03:22 GMT
#318
Ok, time to actually scumhunt.

Let's start with an analysis of VisceraEyes. I read a bit about his previous gameplay, more specifically storm mafia and BC's Arkham Mafia. In Storm Mafia, he was town and was quite logical and coolheaded. He also had quite good reads on the mafia team. On the other hand, he was scum in BC's Arkham mafia. He was a lot more aggressive and his reads are a lot less logical and nonsensical.

He made posts like this which he did not make in his town game:
On February 07 2012 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote:
glad you asked:
the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key.
that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games.
it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint.

You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read

I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Cute. Now die scum.


And he also makes posts like this emphasizing how much of a townie he is which again he did not do in storm mafia:
On February 08 2012 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay just woke up and read the thread. layabout isn't receiving nearly the support that I'd hoped, and his response to my question was...non-existent. As such, he's been downgraded to my scum list and subsequently my lynch list.

##Unvote: layabout
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth

Palmar, why have you got a hardon for lynching me bro? I'm not scum. I'm the towniest town that ever towned a town. Best CHECK YOSELF.


Now then let's take a look at his posts this game:
On March 18 2012 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't want to hear a word about policy lynching a hydra for being a hydra. If you must talk about policy lynching, I prefer to hear arguments for policy lynching inactives as lurking is a very viable mafia strategy.

I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone that I'm town and definitely NOT scum this game, so feel free to take my posts as you would take them from a confirmed townie. Together, we're going to find the scum and we're going to eliminate the scum. If anyone has a problem with that, they're obviously scum.

Smooches.

Sounds familiar?

Now let's take a look at his case against jonnywup
On March 18 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 09:54 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 18 2012 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
So Jackal, shall we join hands and hearts and annihilate the scum...together? You should have a decent read on me by now, and I know what's up in Camp Jackal...shall we dispense with the pleasantries and SMASH upon the scums together?

We'll start with an easy one. What do you think about johnnywup's early contributions to the thread? jcarlsoniv left me with the feeling that he's...less than pleased...with johnnyboy.

As long as you stop the Bill Murray nonsense.
This like all other day 1s I start out in the dark. If you are not scum I will gladly enjoin you in the destruction of them. If you are scum I'll see you hang first. So go ahead and keep asking for medic protection and DT checks. I have an extra rope around here somewhere. Or ya know you could play like a real townie.
Johhnyup has not tripped any scum alarms in me as yet. Doesn't mean anything yet. I'm not that astute on day 1.

With that I am going to be off for the evening. The Dropkick Murphys and a case of Killians are calling me.


All right all right, whatever. How's this for D1?

He's tripped a scum-alarm for me, particularly where his read of you is concerned. I found it to be weak and wishywashy. He even goes so far as to clarify that his read of you is "likely to change"...twice he said it. Plus not having much of a reason to state in-thread that he had a town read on you. Like, I have a town read on you, but his first response to my line of questioning was like "I don't know, I can't explain, etc etc." I know exactly why I have a town read on you, and it's quite easy to explain (as I demonstrated). And while I hope that doesn't change, I would never say that it's "likely" to change because I'm working under the assumption that I'm right.

So yeah, gonna go ahead and

##Vote: johnnywup

...and see what shakes loose.

His main case is on jonnywup was that he said that he was not sure with his read on Jackal being town when questioned about it. As I've already pointed out many times before, this is not a scum read, but rather a newbie read, a null read. This poor read is very contrary to his Storm Mafia play where he actually had 3 of the mafia right in his reads.


Now if we also take into consideration the time that he pushed for johnnywup's, it was right after jcarlsoniv posted that he was suspicious of johnnywup. Only then, did VE make a case against johnny. I'm thinking that he is a scum that was trying to avoid responsibility by pushing it into jcarls. Also, his poor read can be seen as a scum trying to push a lynch on a new player that don't know how to defend themselves. It would be an easy lynch that people would not question even if he flipped town.

In Summary, his play is not his usual town play and is very similar to his scum play in other games. His push against jonnywup too was also quite scummy.

##Vote: VisceraEyes
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 03:23 GMT
#319
I'm not attacking you VE. Dunno why you're being ignored right now, but a couple hours ago you were the loudest voice.

And Jackal is certainly someone to keep an eye on.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 19 2012 03:24 GMT
#320
On March 19 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 11:03 Probulous wrote:
On March 19 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going?

@VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched?


VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched.


Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise?

Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it.


I don't understand, why unvote if you intend for him to be lynched? Yes it's your vote, but people are still allowed to question it.
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