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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
##vote Jackal58 | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own. Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance. What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions. I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all. Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort. That's partly why I immediately thought chainsaw defence. People pressuring johnny, he's not getting much help, sloosh comes in with a nonsensical case on one of the people pressuring johnny. "A player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum" You're right, he could be town and trying to make an effort. However, if johnny turns out to be scum later on, we definitely need to take another look at sloosh. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
"but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way" | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It is now fixed. 7. Players may vote for a no-lynch by posting ##vote no-lynch. 8. This game runs on a majority voting system. In other words, the person with the majority of votes will be lynched at the end of every day. In the case of no majority, a no-lynch will occur. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
But yeah, obviously anyone who defends someone who flips scum will be taken under further scrutiny by default. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: You think what indicates hypocrisy? Saying someone could be mafia for traits that he himself displays; I think that constitutes hypocrisy. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote: I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance. On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote: Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) . I've asked you here : On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote: Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this. Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights. I have asked you at least 3 times for your reasons on believing that johnny is town. Each time you've neglected to answer, and you were the one who accused ME of sidestepping! Oh yeah, what was it again? On March 19 2012 10:08 slOosh wrote: I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell. ##Vote slOosh. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 19 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote: I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going? @VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched? VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Where is everyone? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 11:51 johnnywup wrote: I'm here. Hiya johnny, let's do something constructive. If you could kill someone right now, who would it be and why? How do you feel about the interactions between myself, sloosh, and VE? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest. What about you? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 19 2012 11:03 Probulous wrote: VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched. Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise? Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote: I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy. I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest. What about you? I would shoot into the inactives, possibly Jackal. I know that jackal is a usually a strong town player, and tends to be pretty aggressive, so his inactivity is worrying me. Obviously he could just be busy (hungover?  ), but there's already under 20 hours left and we've yet to hear much out of him, can't wait to hear his thoughts. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote: I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy. I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest. What about you? My voice is being virtually ignored in spite of me "dictating conversations". Pull the other one jdub. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
Let's start with an analysis of VisceraEyes. I read a bit about his previous gameplay, more specifically storm mafia and BC's Arkham Mafia. In Storm Mafia, he was town and was quite logical and coolheaded. He also had quite good reads on the mafia team. On the other hand, he was scum in BC's Arkham mafia. He was a lot more aggressive and his reads are a lot less logical and nonsensical. He made posts like this which he did not make in his town game: And he also makes posts like this emphasizing how much of a townie he is which again he did not do in storm mafia: On February 08 2012 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay just woke up and read the thread. layabout isn't receiving nearly the support that I'd hoped, and his response to my question was...non-existent. As such, he's been downgraded to my scum list and subsequently my lynch list. ##Unvote: layabout ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth Palmar, why have you got a hardon for lynching me bro? I'm not scum. I'm the towniest town that ever towned a town. Best CHECK YOSELF. Now then let's take a look at his posts this game: On March 18 2012 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want to hear a word about policy lynching a hydra for being a hydra. If you must talk about policy lynching, I prefer to hear arguments for policy lynching inactives as lurking is a very viable mafia strategy. I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone that I'm town and definitely NOT scum this game, so feel free to take my posts as you would take them from a confirmed townie. Together, we're going to find the scum and we're going to eliminate the scum. If anyone has a problem with that, they're obviously scum. Smooches. Sounds familiar? Now let's take a look at his case against jonnywup On March 18 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: All right all right, whatever. How's this for D1? He's tripped a scum-alarm for me, particularly where his read of you is concerned. I found it to be weak and wishywashy. He even goes so far as to clarify that his read of you is "likely to change"...twice he said it. Plus not having much of a reason to state in-thread that he had a town read on you. Like, I have a town read on you, but his first response to my line of questioning was like "I don't know, I can't explain, etc etc." I know exactly why I have a town read on you, and it's quite easy to explain (as I demonstrated). And while I hope that doesn't change, I would never say that it's "likely" to change because I'm working under the assumption that I'm right. So yeah, gonna go ahead and ##Vote: johnnywup ...and see what shakes loose. His main case is on jonnywup was that he said that he was not sure with his read on Jackal being town when questioned about it. As I've already pointed out many times before, this is not a scum read, but rather a newbie read, a null read. This poor read is very contrary to his Storm Mafia play where he actually had 3 of the mafia right in his reads. Now if we also take into consideration the time that he pushed for johnnywup's, it was right after jcarlsoniv posted that he was suspicious of johnnywup. Only then, did VE make a case against johnny. I'm thinking that he is a scum that was trying to avoid responsibility by pushing it into jcarls. Also, his poor read can be seen as a scum trying to push a lynch on a new player that don't know how to defend themselves. It would be an easy lynch that people would not question even if he flipped town. In Summary, his play is not his usual town play and is very similar to his scum play in other games. His push against jonnywup too was also quite scummy. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
And Jackal is certainly someone to keep an eye on. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 19 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise? Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it. I don't understand, why unvote if you intend for him to be lynched? Yes it's your vote, but people are still allowed to question it. | ||
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