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On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise?
oh, I totally forgot about that.
was anyone ever involved with the black market?
is there even anyone who claims making me king?
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On March 26 2012 09:18 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:08 ghost_403 wrote:On March 26 2012 08:28 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member.
Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night.
I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that.
So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around. Paperscraps' ability says that he can't both send in kills and use his burn ability unless he's the only member of his team remaining. As we know his kill flavor (was discouraged), we see that he was responsible for deaths on consecutive nights. If the mafia team has more members, they surely wouldn't want to give up KP by having Paperscraps send in any kills, but that looks to have happened. The alternative is that there are multiple roles capable of dealing .5kp, and that Paperscraps took 2 cycles to kill one player and then killed another player who had already taken .5kp of damage. It's not guaranteed, but I think the first alternative is far more likely than the second.
I think you misunderstood. Any scum player can carry out the mafia KP with the depending flavour. If he is the last player he can do the kill AND have his ability. Actually this indicates, that there's another member around with a better ability than his.
Then again, it's 2:30 am.
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On March 26 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 26 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On March 23 2012 08:22 Velinath wrote:
on a side note, the lynch tomorrow will be based around a kingmaker item that's being sold on the black market. essentially the person who buys the item makes a list, and the top person on that list that survives today and the following night gets to choose the lynch target for tomorrow FUCK. I don't think he ever told us who it was that bought the item. If he (or some other townie with access to the black market) bought the item, it makes sense for JayJay to be high on the list. But what are the implications otherwise? oh, I totally forgot about that. was anyone ever involved with the black market? is there even anyone who claims making me king? I was given access to the black market by other players. I do believe that Velinath, under the alias iloveoov, bought the watcher that he gave to ghost, and this kingmaker item, which he presumably trusted with you.
interesting, why the hell are you in that black market thing? and do you have currency?
also, does the market still exist?
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midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP.
also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy.
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree!
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On March 26 2012 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Congrats! Topic?
thanks!
"Method development and evaluation to design a material supply concept for variable batch production driven by volatile demand"
yes, that still counts as mechanical engineering here in Germany  I spezified in production engineering.
good night!
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Ok guys, little sleep.
kitaman, if you don't come up with a nice explanation for why you visited gonzaw night one, you are the lord of th riiiiiift. However, if that's true, he seems to have no KP any more. Lynching third is prolly not the best option.
Other than that, "Mementoss" appeared in the QT. If that's really Mementoss and not an alias, dirk has made the most random choice ever. No help at all there. So if this IS Mementoss, I am fine with killing him.
I am willing to trust Nisani to a degree, however, I can't believe that he's still alive and scum killed yugi instead of the inventor. Spider-senses here.
What do you guys think?
@foolishness: only the title exists in english, I am in no mood to translate it all.
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though I guess we can start a practical discussion post game
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On March 26 2012 16:49 Jayjay54 wrote:
Ok guys, little sleep.
kitaman, if you don't come up with a nice explanation for why you visited gonzaw night one, you are the lord of th riiiiiift. However, if that's true, he seems to have no KP any more. Lynching third is prolly not the best option.
Other than that, "Mementoss" appeared in the QT. If that's really Mementoss and not an alias, dirk has made the most random choice ever. No help at all there. So if this IS Mementoss, I am fine with killing dirk.
I am willing to trust Nisani to a degree, however, I can't believe that he's still alive and scum killed yugi instead of the inventor. Spider-senses here.
What do you guys think?
@foolishness: only the title exists in english, I am in no mood to translate it all.
EBWOP
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On March 26 2012 17:36 phagga wrote:Sorry for missing the last 48 hours. Real life always gets the best of me on weekends. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP.
also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy.
going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Here is some players list math for now. I am posting this mostly for reference as some people seem to have a hard time keeping up on the player list, also this should make sure that noone can lurk away and get forgotten (I'm looking at you, Mementoss). I will post my thoughts on possible lynch candidates later. This is the current alive player list if I'm right. 2. Mr. Wiggles 5. Jayjay54 6. Kitaman27 7. Ghost_403 8. MidnightGladius 10. Kenpachi 13. Lanaia(Replaced By Mementoss) 16. Nisani201 19. Adam4167 25. Foolishness Was sent to android hell (and came back) 26. Sbrubbles 28. blubbdavid 29. Phagga 30. Maverick32x 31. Dirk Hardpec So we're at 15 alive Players. - Midnight and Maverick claim 5th party - We have 1 confirmed dead 3rd, up to 3 3rd Party remain - we have 1 confiremd dead cell agent, up to 3 cell agents remain - we have 2 confirmed dead mafias, up to 2 mafias remain. Am I correct that the 4th party is the sleeper cell? This would mean there is a minimum of 5 townies atm. Also there were 6 no-flips on N1/D2. 1 was Gonzaw, who is claimed to be 5th party. 1 was Foolishness, who came back from the dead (or never really was dead). This leaves 4 no-flips death who could all be in not-town roles, making it possible that there is a max of 9 townies atm. The 4 no-flips are Blazinghand, Cwave, Cyber_cheese and RayzorFlash.
I guess, I miscounted.
However, where did you read that there's 4 and not 6 scum?
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I believe your count is right, but I just want to say it is well possible that there is more than 2 scum remaining
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yea, that was more an addon that actual criticism.
so how do you guys generally feel about lord of the riiiiift. lynch? yes? no?
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ok cool. I agree.
dirk's choice (if really mementoss) doesn't really scream town to me. I still don't think he's from the scum team, because of flavour.
other suggestions adam?
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hey guys, sorry had a really busy day, wrapping things up at the university. I won't have much time tomorrow either, but I scan the thread and make up my mind. I will be celebrating at wednesday (pretty hard). So expect me to post again more thoroughly starting thursday. I will be online now for a bit though.
Even if kita is saying the truth about his role, we can not be sure that he is town motivated, however, I'll NOT lynch him right now. What do friendship flames do? And how many freakin KP do you have Also Nisani would be confirmed, if you say the truth.
Let's assume, I am willing to trust his radiator list and will use it. I won't lynch dirk, because I don't think he's cell. The role doesn't make sense and he seemed in no way to find his friends in the QT based on the invites. The three remaining players give us a 2/3 chance of hitting right, if dirk happens to be town even 100%. Nifty. Let's hope I don't blow it.
The sad part is, that Kenpachi might actually end up town. Still completely random and thus impossible to read.
David doesn't look scum to me, because of how he treated lightz. He might be cell, though, because of how his matter differs from what I've seen so far.
Wiggles is right now my lynch candidate. He may be either scum or cell which enhances the chance of a hit. I think he's scum though. This post here:
On March 22 2012 07:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Between Bluelightz and Dirk, the latter looks significantly more town than the other. After Day 1, Dirk's been posting pretty openly, and has actually been sharing reads of his own volition. This reflects well on him for now, and I don't feel good killing him today. If he doesn't continue following through with his reads on day 3 though, he could be a good choice for a day 4 lynch or night 3 shot. It's the same thing with a lot of players who open strongly, but don't actually push their scum reads on subsequent days. Just watch. If he's consistent, he's most likely town. Right now, I'm leaning town on him. The game I remember best from playing or observing Bluelightz, is Purgatory Mafia. In that game, I pegged him down as town pretty early in the game, simply due to the attitude and tone of his posts. I'm not getting the same feeling in this game. (For reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=235418). In that game, his reasons for his reads were actually based on his own reasoning, and for game reasons. In this game, the reasons for a lot of his reads are nonsensical, or attributed to the reasoning of others. As well, I feel he is not being as open with what he is posting, which seems to indicate that something is off about him. So, overall, I think Bluelightz is the better lynch between the two. ##Vote: Bluelightz
really stuck out. Because it was way to try hard considering the vote count was 16-1 at that time. His other posts doesn't exactly radiate town vibes either. I don't like his reads. I didn't like how he called out a player asking if my shot is blockable, it might have been a tell, but he blows it up.
Worst case scenario is that Nisani and Kita teamed up and completely fuck town now. Or kita does that by himself. I hope that's not the case.
Thoughts? Agreements? Tomatoes? I'll be on for a bit, but I'll sleep pretty soon, because I didn't sleep much throughout the entire week.
I'll vote Wiggles, but I'll decide the lynch anyways. Deal with it. Also, it's colour radiator. Stupid.
##Vote Jayjay54
I assume we still all need to vote to avoid a modill?
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oh, why did I vote me, it's ##Vote: MrWiggles
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also, if you're for real kita, nice choices on the radiator list.
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ok, need sleep, good night, If you are not content, with what I wrote, just post it, I'll def read everything what is written before the lynch. good night guys
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Ok since no complains are in here, wiggles is a goner...see you guys.
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kinda relieved that I didn't let town down with my lynch choice
I like david as a vig shot, since he feels differently this game.
as for the invention: a double lynch is a good idea since it may be not be as easily abused. A vig shot is risky considering and can be used against us. Especially if Nisani announces who he gives it to early on.
another idea I have is the Scatter Shot. It's a double vig shot which kills two targets, but only if they don't have the same alignment. Thus, it can't kill two townies and is still not broken, because its effect is conditionary requires good target choice. Anti-town alignments can't be hurt more than with one lost player. I think it's balanced and it would be a good invention to have...maybe check it out Nisani.
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On March 28 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote:
@JJ: The problem with that is there aren't a lot of not townies with the same alignment left in the game. We have one or two cell, one or two scum, and up to three third parties left. Chances of hitting two people with the same alignment is pretty low.
yea that's kinda the thought behind it. but it still prevents any fraction from being hit to strong
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On March 28 2012 23:45 ghost_403 wrote:
I would much rather have some kind of invention that knocks one of the factions out of the game. If we could eliminate either the scum team or the sleeper team, we can limit the number of KP against us during the night. Either that, or something that helps us to identify anti-town third parties. We have no tools to find them at the moment, and this is going to become a problem soon.
I'd rather get rid of as many anti-town players as fast as possible.
the LOTR doesn't seem to have a KP left, which makes him less of a thread, kita revealed himself, there's just the dragon remaining as a potential problem
We already know that the scum KP is locked at one. We don't even know if there's a second scum alive.
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