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On March 16 2012 12:22 Palmar wrote: Cool, now I'm like triple confirmed town. No you're not. You shot Jackal. | ||
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On March 16 2012 12:27 Palmar wrote: Don't forget killing node. That just makes me even more confirmed. Node was town. Hey guys I know what happened to BM he killed Palmar and took over his computer. | ||
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On March 16 2012 12:29 Curu wrote: Palmar is pretty much confirmed Town. Katina is here at deadline, doesn't comment on Kurumi case, carefully avoids Kurumi case, pops in to smear Palmar. Someone shoot her tonight. + Show Spoiler [Skype Log with Palmar] + [3/14/2012 10:57:28 AM] Palmar: The information I have is that there is indeed a dreamflower role present in the game [3/14/2012 10:57:39 AM] Palmar: like there is a role who knows random shit about the setup [3/14/2012 10:58:16 AM] Palmar: so, mafia dreamflower is quite unlikely [3/14/2012 10:58:19 AM] Palmar: and we'll make him shoot anyway [3/14/2012 10:59:23 AM] Charles Suo: that's [3/14/2012 10:59:30 AM] Charles Suo: pretty sketchy [3/14/2012 10:59:36 AM] Palmar: yes [3/14/2012 10:59:40 AM] Charles Suo: OP says Mafia has knowledge [3/14/2012 10:59:42 AM] Charles Suo: of the setup [3/14/2012 10:59:43 AM] Palmar: but really dangerous to tie [3/14/2012 10:59:45 AM] Palmar: oh [3/14/2012 10:59:49 AM] Charles Suo: a role that has knowledge of the setup [3/14/2012 10:59:52 AM] Charles Suo: seems really far fetched [3/14/2012 11:00:15 AM] Charles Suo: The mafia will be given some information some of the blue roles that are in the game, but will not be told how many exist. [3/14/2012 11:00:31 AM] Palmar: hmm [3/14/2012 11:00:40 AM] Palmar: Well the role name fits and everything [3/14/2012 11:00:48 AM] Palmar: I'm not going to give you too much information until I know better [3/14/2012 11:00:50 AM] Palmar: the main thing is that [3/14/2012 11:00:54 AM] Palmar: if jackal flips scum [3/14/2012 11:00:56 AM] Palmar: which he has to [3/14/2012 11:01:02 AM] Palmar: as we make him shoot tonight. [3/14/2012 11:01:12 AM] Palmar: that other guy is fucked too [3/14/2012 11:01:15 AM] Charles Suo: your mystery informant could be scum trying to gain Town cred as well [3/14/2012 11:01:22 AM] Palmar: clearly [3/14/2012 11:01:45 AM] Palmar: tbf, my mystery informant is actually in the bottom 8 of my scum -> town list [3/14/2012 11:01:48 AM] Palmar: ie, he looks bad [3/14/2012 11:02:14 AM] Charles Suo: why don't we lynch him instead [3/14/2012 11:02:25 AM] Charles Suo: there has never been a game where a Townie has a role that gives you info ont he setup [3/14/2012 11:02:35 AM] Charles Suo: and if he had that role why not tell the whole thread [3/14/2012 11:02:45 AM] Charles Suo: it already states in OP Mafia knows the roles [3/14/2012 11:03:43 AM] Palmar: I need to make the decision [3/14/2012 11:04:03 AM] Palmar: it's just too dumb [3/14/2012 11:04:05 AM] Palmar: to be scum [3/14/2012 11:04:14 AM] Palmar: I'm not 100% certain [3/14/2012 11:04:20 AM] Palmar: I want to see node flip [3/14/2012 11:04:26 AM] Palmar: that's the big questionmark [3/14/2012 11:04:36 AM] Palmar: so much clears up if he's scum. [3/14/2012 11:06:44 AM] Palmar: it seems very weird you didn't mason people right away [3/14/2012 11:06:48 AM] Palmar: that's what I'd have done [3/14/2012 11:54:59 AM] Charles Suo: I only talk to Mig in PM games anyways [3/14/2012 11:55:09 AM] Charles Suo: seems very weird that you didn't realize a setup info role is pretty damn sketchy [3/14/2012 11:55:45 AM] Palmar: I don't read ops [3/14/2012 12:00:03 PM] Charles Suo: yeah the absurdity of you coming up with something like that just to convince me about Jackal is a bit meh too [6:32:16 PM] Charles Suo: You should go vote Kurumi [6:32:37 PM] Palmar: I will I'm a bit perplexed that Palmar didn't see right away that Kurumi was scum from the information but he has 0 reason to out Kurumi like that if they are both scum. He is pretty much confirmed Town. I commented plenty on the Kurumi case. I spent multiple posts defending him. I just got home. Letting Palmar run around with his big ego is not helping the town. | ||
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On March 17 2012 02:12 sandroba wrote: 11 is the min number to lynch. What do you think is more likely matchew, that scum volunteerly sacrificed kurumi or that there is no scum on that list? Though there was only 11 votes on Kurumi, the rest of the votes were spread out. If you read through day 2, there wasn't an organized push to take the attention off of Kurumi. Everybody (myself included) who didn't think Kurumi was mafia was going after different people (DrH, BM, Palmar, etc). So it's very unlikely the mafia were trying to save Kurumi. I did vote for him only because I was under the impression that he was just being a jub jub and thinking he was helping the town. I didn't think he was the most optimal lynch that day which is why I tried to put attention onto DrH. I admit to defending Kurumi and trying to put pressure elsewhere but at least I explained what I was doing and I tried to do it. That's a hell of a lot more than anyone else did. Look at the other people who didn't vote for Kurumi: EchelonTee never pushed BM or really defended Kurumi. BM and gumshoe were mia. Jackal was derping cause he was already going to die. schworz is getting replaced. gumshoe wasn't here either. Caller thought Kurumi was mafia but for some reason was voting for Palmar. prphlz mistyped his vote? but he still seemed okay with the Kurumi lynch. I explained what I was doing and why I thought Kurumi was not the best lynch and I was the only one. Going after me cause I tried to get people off of Kurumi is the silliest thing considering that NOBODY ELSE even tried. If you really think the mafia were not voting for Kurumi, you should be looking at the people who were mia during the second half of the day (BM, gumshoe) or the people who hardly talked about it at all (EchelonTee) or the people who should have been voting for Kurumi but weren't (Caller, prplhz). | ||
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1. Mafia 2. Mafia or 3. Retarded If the third then retardation like that should be killed. ##Vote Caller | ||
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For those who still think I'm suspicious (Jaybrundage Jitsu, whoever else) I would like to reiterate, I'm not mafia. I have explained my reasoning for defending Kurumi, and the others who didn't vote for him have not. I made my thoughts known unlike the lurkers that are present this game. The entire basis for the arguments against me is that I defended Kurumi. People have clung onto that like a bug to a light bulb. There are so many others who have dirt on them and the fact that I'm a lynch target just because I defended Kurumi is not only ridiculous but all too easy. | ||
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On March 20 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote: people that didn't vote kurumi Jackal58, Caller, EchelonTee, gumshoe, Bill Murray, Katina Town, Scum, EchelonTee, Town, Bill Murray, Katina Bill Murray is checked town by Palmar (OMG NEW INFO) he told this to me before his death post EchelonTee has been nothing but towny in outside thread convo with me Katina has supposedly known about a blue role and yet that player has not died. All 3 remaining non-BM voters are very town to me sandroba you should use your PM on me If this is all true then it confirms my earlier suspicion that the mafia didn't try and save Kurumi. It seems more likely that a majority of the mafia was voting for Kurumi. gumshoe's death makes more sense now, the mafia want to put more pressure on the people who didn't vote for Kurumi. They are trying to make it seem that there was a fail attempt to save Kurumi when in reality there wasn't an attempt at all. | ||
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On March 21 2012 01:38 Curu wrote: For Katina her posting has been obviously scummy. Hard defending Kurumi, posting irrelevant cases on Mattchew and Palmar (two people who are/were pretty much confirmed Town status). Very obviously not reading the thread, comes in trying to push Node when he is already dead. Kurumi is showing random fixation on Katina. The people Kurumi randomly decides to "FoS" are: Caller Katina Abenson While he seemed afraid to talk about anyone else. Smells like Mafia trying to avoid pissing off any Townies. Add on that Katina was the easy scummy target for a long time yet Wiggles hasn't even bothered to mention her. He wants to go after lurkers and randomly chooses Bill Murray when it was clear Katina is more scummy and has more people willing to lynch her. I strongly feel that Mr. Wiggles - Abenson - Katina are our remaining scumteam. I already explained my actions regarding Kurumi. Several times. I thought his plan to fake being traitor is something that Kurumi the troll would do. I don't think anyone would disagree with me on that. Look through my previous posts where I explain my actions. Just because I thought Kurumi was innocent does not mean I'm mafia. You are fixated on this notion. Second, I never made a case against Palmar. I quoted some of the things he said and said he had a big ego. Where you are getting this from I have no idea. Third, the case on Mattchew was not irrelevant. Especially day 1. Go read day 1 of TL Mafia L. You will notice Mattchew's posts in that game (he was blue) are vastly different from this game. That's why I wanted to kill him. I'm still suspicious of him, but I'm apparently the only one. I'd still rather kill DrH. Mattchew seems to be head of the town and in the loop but why he is still alive is a mystery. Everyone's case against me boils down to I defended Kurumi and making random links between me and other people. This is a game of mafia. People like DrH are getting away with trolling and sheeping all game. And hardly anyone bats an eye. | ||
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On March 21 2012 05:07 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Katina good to see you pop up. The one thing your missing tho is that Doc. Was on all the right lynches and you weren't XD He also pushed Kurumi. Which makes him less likely to be scum then you. Do you have any other scum candidates Katina besides Matt and Doc. So DrH has voted for mafia and I haven't therefore I am mafia and he's in the clear? And lots of people pushed Kurumi, and if I remember correctly the Kurumi push was started by other people, DrH just picked up on it and ran with it. Based on numbers alone at least one mafia should have been pushing for Kurumi. On March 21 2012 05:09 jaybrundage wrote: Oh katina got a question for you. Out of Mr.Wiggles or Abenson who do you want to vote for. Please answer soon. Instinct says Abenson first, Wiggles later. I just looked through Wiggles filter and in all honesty both should die. Along with DrH. | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:31 jaybrundage wrote: Not true Matt layabout was FOSing me and wanted to lynch me. I never said he was tunneling. goi I just think what happened is that me being confident in my reads rubbed you the wrong way. Because of that you are trying to get me out of the game because you didn't like my cockiness? I don't usually play this aggressively. However nothing wrong with a play style switch. I disagree with you. I think I have been playing very well this game. I pushed Kurumi and I also think Katina will flip red as well. Funny Doc doesn't think I can prove that I'm not scum. Must be scum then. Doc I didn't know you played mafia jubjub style XD You know, Jay you are going to look really bad when I flip town. You obviously don't have the ability to read any of my posts defending myself. If I die then don't be surprised when everyone will be looking to lynch you right behind me. Once again, try to read I'M NOT MAFIA. I don't think you're mafia at the moment but me dying is not going to help narrow it down much farther. | ||
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This is because throughout the game he has been inconsistent in his posting.He doesn't seem to have a focus at all. DrH has done a massive amount of finger pointing. His posts consist of spamming and calling people retards. DrH is inconsistent and pointing fingers a lot. Take a look at this post: On March 12 2012 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Caller is trolling, mafia shouldn't be that scared of me to push me day 1 for no reason because I often back off my correct reads if I get distracted. It's up to an individuals discretion whether or not they share who they are PMing with, policy lynching someone for not doing it is stupid. Also, town circles could be set up so that somebody can claim DT to someone they confirm and then use that person to broadcast their reads, or a tracker/watcher/etc. That can be useful. In that case the last thing you want is everyone saying who they are with. Jackal58 is being a bit silly with what Wiggles and people like that are saying. His point is that scum know who town is and because of that they can cut down any circles that arise that they aren't directly involved in themselves. Especially it would be dangerous for someone to say "i'm pming with A B C and D" and then later come out and say "I'm PMing the DT and..." when say, B and C are dead or something. It's up to an individual to share their PM targets or not. Gumshoe is posting a lot and very focused on town circles and such. For that reason, I'm voting for him. He has 2 pages of filter all completely disconnected from finding scum. The way you're probing Caller looks as though it would be helpful, but doesn't actually lead to anything. It's wishy washy, I feel like it's the kind of thing that scum would feel they can't ignore but don't want to commit to Caller if he's town. That'll satisfy me for now, it's pretty likely I'll come up with something better or that Gumshoe will just make himself look worse The last paragraph is important here. He says gumshow is suspicious and is going to vote for him. Yet 8 hours later he makes this post: On March 12 2012 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not. And now his focused has shifted to Caller and jaybrundage. And this is where his focused stayed for all of another 12 hours until he posts this: On March 13 2012 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic. Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran. We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed. Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque. Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie. And now he's dealing with Jackal and Wiggles and Jitsu. What is interesting is how quickly DrH jumps from one case to the next. He accuses and votes for gumshoe, yet never brings up the case again except where he says he's changing his vote. He moves his vote to Caller at one point before finalizing on Jitsu. Part of the problem here is that he never follows up on his reads. From here on out all he has are one liners and random posts, there is nothing more about his reads until he makes the following post: On March 14 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Node is suspicious. I'm leaning toward Node or Caller on day 2. I know Caller is a ballsy player but he comes off as way too phony. He makes a fake case on me then ditches it for a bad case on Jackal then goes back to attacking me? He's just playing disruptively. Node's vote switch to Sheth is a joke. Not only was Jackal not gonna get lynched but I refuse to believe by the way he was posting that he put so little thought into the game as to waste a vote on somebody completely random (the only one that actually had excusable inactivity) like Sheth. This post came near the end of night 1 as well. Suddenly there is no more attention on Jitsu. He moves away from it just like he did with gumshoe. He makes the occasional one liner about him being mafia, but never pushes his case ever again. And on Day 2 he makes this post On March 15 2012 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Kurumi is indefenseable at this point. jaybrundage, you play like scummy shit all game then start demanding role claims from everyone. Stop doing that. If you're town, it's stupid and unhelpful. With Kurumi gone, we need to shoot prplhz tonight or lynch him tomorrow. He's been on Jackal and didn't react to Jackal's claim but despite this obvious fakery from Kurumi, he chooses to ignore it then go after me. He is aggressive then immediately backs off and acts like he was just messin around. What a joke. Curu straight up lies about things I say, he at least has the good sense to vote for Kurumi. I'm not pushing Caller anymore, his claim seems to be legit and like I said I lost some confidence in him as the day went on and moved toward Jitsu (who is also misrepresenting me). It isn't scummy for a player to change their mind and it isn't my priority to tell the town about every change of thought or thing I think, otherwise I'd end up spamming the thread. If you're that interested in my thought process, just PM me, I'm not going to clutter the thread with that shit. kurumi, prplhz, curu that's my best guess. Abenson, rgTheSchworz, Sentinel, probably scum or traitor between those 3. Dunno about Palmar. His play seems pro-town but I know he's good. If he's town this game is probably in the bag, if it's scum it's over since it seems a town circle has been built around him. Nobody has PM'd me in this game yet, which surprises me a little. and Jitsu isn't even on his mafia list. Furthermore he only lists Curu as scum because Curu was being a JubJub. DrH should know better than most that idiocy =/= Mafia. Yet he puts Curu on his mafia list, but removes him later on the account that Curu started making more sense. DrH is known to second guess himself more than anyone else. He even admits to it. The problem is is that he is not second guessing himself. He makes a case against someone, then immediately drops it and never returns to it. He simply has no focus. His agenda is in correspondence with a mafia. He accuses lots of people to insinuate the doubt. He tries to make everyone look bad so nobody is in the clear. Then when a mafia gets lynched he can immediately defend himself by saying he was onto them. Someone said that DrH pushed for the Kurumi lynch so therefore he is in the clear. However if you observe the day 2 votes you will notice that it's very likely the mafia team was on Kurumi the whole time. Bill Murray has gotten a town check, the only remaining players not on Kurumi are myself and EchelonTee. So he is not immediately in the clear because of the Kurumi lynch. In fact the majority of his posts about Kurumi entail things like this post: On March 16 2012 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This thread is in fucking chaos and if this keeps up we will continue having no lynches for the rest of the game. Is everyone this terrible? I can't believe Kurumi is actually going to get away with straight up faking his role and doing nothing but trolling and trying to find the traitor all game. I also can't believe that Curu making shit up to try to get Jackal killed and him and his scumbuddy prplhz trying to get a town suicide vig to shoot at night (benefits scum) ONLY seems odd to me. This is far and away the most embarrassing town performance I've ever seen. You're an idiot if you don't vote for Kurumi. Caller is saying to vote for me because I flip flop and "only talk about the set-up". That's a bald faced lie, the majority of my posts are about scum or pressure and I'm WELL KNOWN to flip-flop and second guess myself constantly as town such as in AC where I changed my vote like ten times in the first day. In fact, if anything, the fact that I haven't changed my vote a million times makes me look bad. I don't even know what Katina is doing but she has no sense of meta and seems to be completely missing the obvious. Caller is the dayvig, he confirmed it as far as I can tell so unless he somehow faked shooting Node, why would anyone vote for him? Scum have their powers in that KP cost thing it says so in the setup ... So what Kurumi did is too scummy to be scummy? Congratulations, you've failed the most basic fucking trap of bad townie logic now never sign up for another game again you retarded jubjubs His posts about Kurumi are much like this one: "vote Kurumi or else you retard!" His only reason for voting Kurumi is that Kurumi scum slipped. No analysis or anything. Vote Kurumi or you're retarded. If this is what scumhunting is than Palmar should be the reigning champion. Even more proof of his inconsistency can be found if you click his filter and search for my name. Multiple times he lists me as mafia yet he has never hard pushed for me or giving reasons why I need to be lynched. In one post he says, "katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed." This is interesting because when I first accused him he agreed with the arguments that I was making. He even acknowledged that he was jumping all over the place on his reads. As I said before, he's not second guessing himself. He is mafia and is casting doubt upon all the players. He has done a fabulous job of accusing everyone so when someone flips mafia he can say that he was suspicious of said person. Even if he was on Caller and Kurumi, he hasn't done anything recently besides cast more doubt on the remaining players. He has pushed for Jay to get lynched, but the majority of his accusations can be summarized with "Jay is retarded, let's kill him". This leads into the obvious fact that DrH is acting nothing like he does when he is town. This is evident from his past games. Look at one of his posts from Storm Mafia: On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched. I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him. Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for. I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself. This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. Notice how he is very direct in explaining his actions about where his vote and suspicion lies. There isn't a single post he's made in this game that can be mirrored with a typical post from that game. He hasn't done any explaining this game. He only focuses on the present and fails to address his past behavior. And the few times people have brought up this fact his response has been "well I always second guess myself trolol" Put simply, he is not taking responsibility for his actions. It's also interesting to note how calm and collected he has been in the past when he is town. The above post is typical in showing is behavior when analyzing and addressing issues. Of course we know him to have a temper from time to time, as we all do whenever we are in a game with VE. However this game he has done nothing but call people retarded over and over again. This attitude is a bit reminiscent of wherebugsgo when he is mafia. I can understand being frustrated with the game (considering I have Jay riding my ass constantly), but the level of his insults coming from DrH is not only out of character, but completely unnatural. I would also like to mention that this game DrH has an absurd amount of one liners and small posts. A quick glance through Storm Mafia and Arkham City show that his posting length this game is also not in sync with his normal town play. When DrH is town, he is not afraid to write paragraphs upon paragraphs detailing his thoughts. This game we have one liners about how small our IQ is. Summary DrH has been playing completely out of character from his typical town play. He hasn't been focused, anormous finger pointing, one liners and insults. His posts have been inconsistent and bringing confusion into the thread. He has not been responsible this game and he needs to be held accountable for it. DrH is mafia ##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Katina's case on me is unfortunately too much based in meta and my personal life has been too hectic for me to put the thought and care into this game than I normally would. Who posted the case on Wiggles in the first place? I'd like to read it and clicking a filter is easier. As much as I'm usually inclined to OMGUS, I think Katina is probably town. Misguided, but town. I've been too little of a factor lately for scum to need to distract me like this and there's no reason to post a huge case on me unless they're trying to get me to react or form a serious bandwagon. The fact that only small targets have been dying (non "vet" players) at night leads me to believe scum is either blue sniping or just hitting people who have the right leads. Considering Mattchew died, that definitely adds some spice to the Mr.Wiggles case. I'll have to read it to determine if it's enough for my vote though as well as go through Wiggles filter. First of all, my case isn't entirely based on meta. You've been inconsistent this whole game. You haven't hard pushed anyone into being lynched (Kurumi doesn't count). You have basically been sitting on the sidelines cheering like a teenage girl at a sale. You've also have been throwing around doubt all game (and you just did on this page on Bill Murray). All these things fall within the goals of the mafia. Furthermore, you've been saying I should be lynched for the past few days. Now you think I'm town based on this case I'm pushing. It doesn't seem like you're reading anyone's filter, nor does it seem that you even care about who is getting lynched. You flip-flop more than a politician. As for Wiggles, he is definitely suspicious and should be up for lynch again. But you dear sir, I don't see how we can just let you live any longer when all the flags are blowing up like a skirt in the breeze. | ||
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On March 25 2012 23:53 jaybrundage wrote: Curu we are not lynching Doc this is so dumb. We should be lynching katina we have been ignoring her all game. Every single person she has pushed as been town. You are wrong about your last sentence. Not every person I have pushed has been town. That will be clear once DrH flips. That's not really an indicator of whether someone is mafia or not. I think Jay might be mafia because he has been pushing for me all game and basically ignoring everything else that is going on. I think the mafia is probably telling Jay to keep pushing me so he doesn't mess anything up. He really hasn't done anything else and has ignored all the big cases. Jay also said he would make a case against me.... I have yet to see one. Jay is mafia or big JubJub, | ||
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##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. | ||
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Katina
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On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote: I already tried to lynch DoctorH Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina 1. DrH did mud the waters in relation to your confirmation. If you are confirmed town why haven't the mafia killed you yet? I didn't attack you in pm and I don't want to kill you yet. 2. Ths is just a sad reason to accuse me for being mafia and does not indicate anything about my behavior this game or anything I have done. My point is that DrH has been one of the most active players this game. Yet he has been inconsistent in who he thinks is mafia and he has never hard pushed one player. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On March 28 2012 05:21 layabout wrote: I don't think anybody has been contributing enough for you to call Dr.H scummy for not contributing. I get the impression that Katina has been somewhat scared to post all game and has avoided giving us her reads. I have not been scared to post all game infact I have been pretty transparent about who I think is mafia. I thought Mattchew was mafia and I said so many times. I thought Kurumi was innocent and I explained many times why I thought this. On March 28 2012 05:52 EchelonTee wrote: my thoughts on Katina Examining her reason to not vote Kurumi brings up something gold: The key behind Katina thinking Kurumi was town, and also the reasoning she uses to proclaim her town status, is that being "consistent" is a town tell. She states that again in her PM with layabout: + Show Spoiler + [01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia [01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that Aside from the fact that Kurumi's flip shows that "remaining consistent" isn't a town tell, overall this concept is highly deceptive. Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances. Games change over time, and being unyielding is either plain ignorance or willful deception. As mafia, holding fast to some stance and sticking with it obstinately is essentially a free pass. You don't have to comment on relevant cases ("I disagree, I already stated my suspicion"), you deny responsibility for failures ("I stated why I thought he wasn't scum, that's that"), you don't even have to post! Examples of this concept: Palmar initially thought Caller was town. His opinion changed. Deconduo initially thought DrH was talking sense. He now thinks DrH is scum I thought that Jitsu was scum. Filter me and look at my case; but do I talk about Jitsu at all after that day? No! Why? I changed my mind! I pressured Jitsu hard, and he responded well, so I backed off and realized he was likely town. This is how you remain transparent; you pressure your suspects and judge them. Katina has not considered any other viewpoints but her own all game; this shows a distinct lack of consideration for the thread happenings, and laughably enough removes her accountability from thread goings on. The prplhz WIFOM: This is obviously a less concrete arguement, but as briefly mentioned, prplhz was a medic. Mattchew previously thought Katina was townie, b/c of the fact that she knew prplhz' role and prplhz still lived, but then prplhz died a random death. At the time prplhz was shot, he didn't have much thread presence, and at the same time no one had explicitly or implicitly outted him as a medic in thread. It's possible Mafia shot him for some other reason, but it's pretty likely that Mafia knew he was medic (through Katina) and sniped him. Contradictions of Katina that make her look scummy: 1.says that DrH is scummy for bashing other people constantly examples of Katina bashing people for loose reasons: 1 2 3 2.calls out people for not contributing enough Katina has less posts/content than VE, a dood that died N1. Says she'll talk more in pms with layabout, doesn't. 3.states that she has been open about her reads never said why she thought abenson/wiggles were Mafia. she is quite intransparent in PMs. All in all I am most sure of Katina being mafia. she has put on the veil of contribution without actually doing anything all game, and her logic breaks down under inspection. I have already explained why I thought kururmi was innocent. Trying to dig up that dirt again is causing you to make the wrong decision, If you really care that much about Kurumi go back and read my post explaining what I did because right now you are distracting the town from the important issues about my case. Perhaps I have not been considerate of other viewpoints this game however no offense. This game had a lot of Jubjubs in it and dealing with them constantly through the game was a big headache. The fact is I have taken responsibilites for my actions this game. I have explained why I have done everything that I have done. I have explained who I thought was mafia. I may not have provided big analisys on wiggles but early in the game I said he was suspicious and I was okay to lynch him. I didn't want a no lynch that's why I voted for him when I did. Your thing about prplhz being the medic is not a good indicator of me being mafia. Yes he did tell me he was a medic and that night he did not get shot. I have not used that as a argument for my innocence. You say that there are three contridications that I have made that has made me to appear scummy. Let me address all of them. 1. DrH is scummy for bashing other people. This is because as I pointed out in my analisys. This is not usual behavior for him when he is town. I may be sarcastic from time to time but everyone bashes people at one point or another. The point is that this is not normal behavoir for DrH. 2. Yes my number of posts may not be very high however, I have explained all my reads and all my actions and I have taken responsibility for what has happened. That is what is important. DrH has not taken responsibility for his actions. 3. I answered this above. I may be a little intransparent in pm's because everyone who I have been pming has accused me to be mafia and were unwilling to listen to me. | ||
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