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On March 08 2012 09:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Why do you assume that I would only do thing in that manner? Scum are cold and calculating, they wont post something half assed for fear of making mistakes. Again, more WIFOM from both of us.
I started writing that as the day post came down, the fact that you stated you wanted to lynch me was coincidental. My job is to find scum, yes, I had a read on you, so I voiced it. Wheres the problem? could my read be wrong? absolutely. Doesn't mean i'm just going to keep it to myself.
I have responded to your case and the only thing I can find that shows a definite scum driven agenda is my lack of calling out Pandain on his 180 read on you. Now, as I explained I believe he is town. You believe he is town, so what does him having a change of read have to do with my alignment? That would only make sense if we both scum but you don't believe that. Your case has more holes than a colander.
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For those wondering what I am going on about when I say I know Adam is more careful and logical when he is town look at his filter from Newbie Mini Mafia III.
Here are two examples of what I mean
On February 01 2012 13:05 Adam4167 wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/792ta.jpg) Right. I'm resorting to paint here (oh gawd) to try and get a clearer picture of what everyone is saying. After taking in everyone's reads, I find these are the two most likely scum teams: Chocoloate/Zelblade or Simberto/SacredSystem As we begin to flip more of these names, this picture will solve itself. I am content with flipping anyone in the above diagram, with a special preference for Chocolate for the previously mentioned reasons.
On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something. Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise. Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode. I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him. ##Vote ChocolateOne thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of ThemSo I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)
The town effort and logic is so completely different to what he is displaying here. His case on me has no overiding logic because I am town.
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Him having a complete 180 in his read on me and then you just accepting it without even so much as a query, is what piqued my interest. Your argument about me 'holding onto my suspicion' until day 3 is void because I specifically stated here that pushing the case i wanted to push (read: YOU) was not going to result in anything worthwhile with only 3 hours left until the lynch.
I spent the entire day 2 of Newbie Mafia 3 defending a mafia against the entire town, hence why I poked fun at myself for defending Sandroba, again as town. I figured you of all people might have got that one since you played in the same game.
Trying to meta me and then taking one example of my good play while ignoring the rest is confirmation bias. I outed half of the towns blues in Arkham and then went on to hang someone I had just confirmed 12 hours earlier to lose the game, as town. I play badly, it happens.
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If you truly are town, then I suggest you take a hard look at everyone that is sitting back right now doing nothing. I know I wouldn't interrupt this as mafia.
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##Unvote
##Vote Bluelightz
This feels more right as of now. Bluelightz deserves to die.
When I get home from work tonight I'm going to reread the thread again and try and untangle this mess, but I have the same feeling for Bluelightz as I did for Sandroba, and that is that no matter what he flips, he deserves to be lynched and I can be happy with that.
Still 25.5 hours to go though, who knows what will be said that can't be unsaid.
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On March 08 2012 09:17 Snarfs wrote:
Well, actually, if for some strange reason Adam flips town then I would consider it... But then we are getting low on townspeople.
We're at 6-2-1 right now assuming an SK. If we mess this lynch up we could potentially be at a worst case of [b]3-2-1[b] if mafia and SK both kill a townie.
I mean, this lynch is so important for town today. Where're the contributions from AKCT, Bluelightz, Pandain, etc.??
Ummm wait a minute here. Total number of mafia is hidden in this game. How is it you seem to know how many scum players there are in this game??
I suppose you could have guessed/reasoned from balance, but you didn't say that. You didn't even bother to share your reasoning as to why you think there were 3 scum to start off with. Why would you go out of the way to point out that you are assuming the existence of the SK but not to mention you are assuming numbers on Mafia?
Explain please.
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On March 08 2012 10:37 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 09:17 Snarfs wrote:
Well, actually, if for some strange reason Adam flips town then I would consider it... But then we are getting low on townspeople.
We're at 6-2-1 right now assuming an SK. If we mess this lynch up we could potentially be at a worst case of [b]3-2-1[b] if mafia and SK both kill a townie.
I mean, this lynch is so important for town today. Where're the contributions from AKCT, Bluelightz, Pandain, etc.?? Ummm wait a minute here. Total number of mafia is hidden in this game. How is it you seem to know how many scum players there are in this game?? I suppose you could have guessed/reasoned from balance, but you didn't say that. You didn't even bother to share your reasoning as to why you think there were 3 scum to start off with. Why would you go out of the way to point out that you are assuming the existence of the SK but not to mention you are assuming numbers on Mafia? Explain please.
Sorry, I just assumed that these games are all typically balanced the same. 4 anti-town to 10 town made sense to me.
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Although, looking back at the last Wiggles Mini now, it's very possible that I'm overestimating the number of anti-town players.
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@TheToast: Any objections to lynching Bluelightz?
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I have enough time right now, so i'm going to also sit down and reread the entire thread.
Probably twice. Once assuming nothing, second time ill assuming my read is wrong and Probulous is town.
Lets see where this goes.
##Unvote
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On March 08 2012 09:07 Snarfs wrote:You know what? After reading quotes like this: Show nested quote +anyway staying lurkerish but not being ompletely inactive actually gets you off the mind of people XD and this: Show nested quote +I Think my lurkerish state is lurkerish enough to stop a case being made on me ^_^ in the quick topic Adam linked earlier on Bluelightz, I would be very happy to lynch Bluelightz today.
I realized Adam's link doesn't go straight to the mafia QT for that game.
Here it is for easy reference: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/sBtbs6s2Fwh
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On March 08 2012 10:54 Snarfs wrote:
@TheToast: Any objections to lynching Bluelightz?
Objections? No. Am I convinced he's scum? Not entirely.
Let me quote what I said before:
As far as Bluelightz goes; lynching him is tricky business. Based on the game I played with him and the past games of his that I've looked through, he is such a bad town player that he is impossible to get a decent read off of. In NMM 1 I was pretty convinced through most of the game he was mafia just because his posting was so random and contained so much fluff. Turns out he was town, but I honestly think we would have been better off lynching him early on to eliminate him as a suspect and stop him from muddying the waters (which I believe I used as an argument for his lynching in that game). If the votes are there at the end of the day, I'll support his lynch but I seriously think he could flip either way.
One of the things I used as evidence for his lynching in Nprmal Mini Mafia 1 was that his posting in one of the Newbie Mini games (where he was scum) was exactly the same as his posting in Normal Mini 1. He was actually scum in Newbie and town in Normal. I later realized that he posts the same crap no matter his alignment and is therefore almost impossible to get a read on. For what it's worth, I honestly think if we had lynched him day one in Normal Mini I like I wanted to, town could have won that game. He distracts from scum and focuses attention needlessly on himself with random accusations and completely pointless posts. Check some of his previous games and you will note that 50% of his posts are him telling people that he's going to sleep. Serves nothing other than to muddy the waters and make it harder to hunt scum.
So do I think he's mafia? I have no fucking clue. Guy could be the SK and he would be posting the same.
Would I object to lynching him? Absolutely not. He contributes nothing as a town player and really only hurts town in the long run.
On a side note, Paper is looking townish to me. I'll elaborate further at the end of Day 3 when I can take a look at all his posts for the day....
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After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.
Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.
##Vote Bluelightz
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On March 08 2012 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:
After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.
Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.
##Vote Bluelightz
It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late.
##Vote Bluelightz
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On March 08 2012 13:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:
After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.
Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.
##Vote Bluelightz It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late. ##Vote Bluelightz
Why would you say this and then vote for Bluelightz instead of Adam?
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##Unvote
Just finished rereading the thread, need to dump some thoughts.
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For a "confirmed townie", A Killer Cuppa Tea is playing pretty bad. Especially for someone who claims that he has played "a pretty large amount of games.
Before that though: Hi! I'm AKillerCuppaTea, but you can call me Tea. I'm from the UK. My experience of mafia on TL is none whatsoever, but I have played a pretty large amount of games on a number of other forums as well as irc.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=16#304
Pandain hasn't come back to support his extremely quick vote for Paperscraps, but he was online about 7 hours after it. On rereading the thread, my case against Paper was pretty bad. The only decent cases started coming out against Paper after Pandain's vote, not before. He couldn't use that as evidence so why was he so quick to jump on Paper?
We know Pandain is capable of orchestrating... pretty much anything. Is it possible that a scum team of Tea, Sandroba, and Pandain came up with this plan from the start?
Palmar claimed that he would bet on this being a town-Pandain, but he also said he'd lynch him for being bad anyways. Plus, there's the whole 'throw my vote on the guy who's claiming blue because he's under a little scrutiny'.
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Jackal, Probulous, and Palmar all claimed at one point earlier that Adam was giving them bad vibes for different reasons.
Adam tried to make a case against Probulous?
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Bluelightz has been absent most of the game. He has contributed 2 posts of worth. One was an attack on Paper that was worse than mine, and the other was a list of players with his scum readings. Either of which could have come from either town or scum.
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After consideration, I'm going to put my vote back on Adam for now. Palmar said at the beginning of the game that if a vet dies, we should make sure we go back and give their reads a chance. Both Jackal and Palmar had bad feelings about Adam and I trust their reads far more than I trust my own.
That being said, I feel that Adam's attack against Probulous and his switch to Bluelightz with a null read were both quite scummy. I voted Bluelightz because I convinced myself he was scum. I still think that either he's scum or he should have asked for a replacement ages ago, but I've been told by multiple people that this is how he plays. I think it is too late to lynch Bluelightz for being a null read. If he turns up town this game, I will certainly back any Lynch Bluelightz day 1 policies in the future.
As to the attack against Probulous, he claims that he had his case ready on March 06 2012 08:55. Then he finally pushes it on March 07 2012 13:43 after first being called out by Probulous?
Sorry it took me for taking so long to get to this conclusion, but:
##Vote Adam4167
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Alright guys school if fucking over, time to read up on the thread.If you guys gonna blast me with any fuck please feel free ^_^
AKCT's vote = WTF?
"It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late.
##Vote Bluelightz"
WTF is this? you are jumping on a bandwagon and your opinion is just that its far too late for scum to bus?
I don't even know but this guy needs to be watched
Snarfs: AKCT is not "confimed" town people just think that he's town over the fake claim thing.
Adam's vote =
"After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.
Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.
##Vote Bluelightz"
I look good to die? Alright I understand Ive been useless, lurking, hurting town(if you put it at that)
But, why did you think I tried to start discussion early in the game? To hurt town? I Started discussion early game to get a good atmostphere for town to start hunting scum and get a consensus on how does town want to lynch.
I ignored Snarf's vote because he unvoted but, we should watch him.
I am going to read Adam's filter now.
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Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......
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On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......
You're right and if you were scum, you'd be sailing me down the river right now. So I think you're town.
##Unvote
I think my lynch is inevitable today, that's OK. Ill try to get some thoughts out before my flip.
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Bluelightz, who do you think is scum?
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EPT
