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I'm not sure yet we really should lynch him simply because I doubt that mafia would be so vocal so early on. He was basicly BEGGING to get heat for that policy lynch. But then again I do the same as mafia and like to take heat because I think I can take it. All I've read from redFF so far indicates that he thinks very highly about himself so it's a possibility although it's totally wifom (in both directions). I think chaosers answeres to my case were decent and he's no longer my scumread #1 because of that. I am not going to lynch BC based on that because I got a different conclusion and I don't want to lynch into vets on d1. D1 is the hardest lynch because we have so little information and yet you want to straight away lynch BC? So it's really only redFF I'm left with right now or a rnd-lurker, but most people here are actually talking. Will be back in something like 3 hours I hope. Depending on my train and the shity internet my parents got... And I'll read this all on train. | ||
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On February 23 2012 00:59 syllogism wrote: I'm not liking you so far in this game. This post doesn't read like what I would expect from you and I'm not sure how exactly you determine whether someone is a "vet" or not and as such "untouchable" on d1. Why were you fine with lynching Chaoser but not fine with lynching BC? You seem unsure about redff but still want to lynch him over everyone else. Is this correct? What do you think about his tracker claim and what I've said about it? back and got Internet \o/ Yeah I realize that A LOT of people are vets in this game. That's why I said earlier that saying that probably is stupid because there's so few people in here who are not at least decent. I was fine with lynching Chaoser because I thought it's odd. I thought the same way in my last game about him, told people about it, Chaoser got in the thread and explained everything which made him look pretty townie to me that game. Imo the same is happening this time. I had some issues with him that made him my #1 read but his answeres and effort were decent enough to settle for someone else. I am not fine with lynching BC because I already explained that I saw the very same things you saw about him but got to another conclusion and so far it's nothing that makes we mant to lynch him. Additionaly he's one of the guys I'd like to not lynch d1 but that's my opinion. I wouldn't be willing to lynch you either. Yes I am unsure about red and for me he's something like a backup lynch. I don't think that the situation about redFF is going to be better very soon because as already mentioend the claim is a hard thing to judge. I do agree that 1 tracker on both sides sounds reasonable but I also agree that 2 on town side would be a reasonable as well. No to begin with the fact that maybe red is a mafia tracker after all, we got a towntracker (e.g. your "theory" is right) and that guy is simply not willing to claim yet because he wants to think this thing trough. So far I'm trying to ignore the tracker-claim. I do not thing any result he could deliver would help him and therefore I do not think it should be an issue for his alignment at all because it could be both. About the situation not going to get better: Mafia tracker is totally possible as well and no matter what red is going to tell us it's not going to improve his situation so we will have to lynch him eventually. That's why he's some kind of backup lynch for me. I don't really feel that strong about his scummyness because I still doubt he'd do that as mafia (which is wifom) but I don't think it would be a bad lynch either. The whole argument about this wagon forming so fast is obviously bullshit. Yes I agree that mafia probably wouldn't bus one of their buddies so early. 14 vs 4 sounds somewhat to townfavored for me so I'd say we got thirdparties or something like that. Let's just assume 12 vs 4 for the sake of numbers. I just don't believe they'd be willing to make it 12 v 3 so easily. Still we got a bunch of people defending him and I am softdefending him as well. It's not like he's a confirmed town and what he did was weird to say the least. So I can see how people want to lynch him and the real problem is that this lynch is so incredible easy for mafia to sheep if he really flips town, not the fact that it's fast. So what I said above is about the situation we got right now and about redFF. Now to my thoughts about possible lynches. I'd say the 3 best candidates for a lynch right now are either VE, BH or red. I already explained the part on red in detail and yeah, he's my "backup"-lynch. BH is a fast one too because I agree with what Dirkzor said. VE is a meta one because I got the feeling it's mafia-VE trying to make us think we're dealing with stupid-VE. Pretty much the same as in arkham. VE's better than what he's doing right now. He clearly was overdoing it early on and while I do agree that he wants to improve and this might look like VE actually trying to help, I think he was very well aware of the fact the he was pulling a p4n on us. He's also more spammy and trollish (idk how to say that, like the posts he did to answer Jackal) than he should be. Town VE really tries hard to help nowadays. He does that by posting his reads and argueing about his reads in a "normal" fashion imo. I don't really see that "normal" fashion here and think it's him trying to make it look like his usual meta. Oh and when I said "VE really tries hard to help" I was referring to the fact that he tries hard not to fall back into his old habits and I see that happening this game without a reason. In L I saw that later on as well but he was pissed like I was because noone was listening to him and I understood that, however I don't really see a reason for that in this game. So yeah. Those 3 are the ones I'd be willing to lynch today as of now. I'm still reading a bit and I'm here. So if you want to talk to me go ahead :p | ||
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On February 23 2012 02:12 syllogism wrote: No, stop saying we have to lynch someone at some point, that is not true unless he is scum. It is also not true that "no matter what" red is going to tell us it not going to improve the situation as he could for instance give us a "red" result, even if that is unlikely as scum most likely have a roleblocker. Why are you so against lynching BC? Did his reads in L impress you or where did you get the idea? Have his contributions impressed here so far? no his contribution has not impressed me at all this game. I also thought he was mafia in L because he did very little early on or at least did the wrong things (imo) because he was talking about this mason thing way to much d1 and completly ignored scumhunting d1 back then. I liked what he did in GMs 80-player game although it was a little wishy-washy to get to the new guys as well. He's one of the few guys that mafia want dead early on really badly if he really is town because they know he's good. If we're wrong on him we're giving mafia a couple of free KP they can use somewhere else because they probably would doublestack him to get rid of him instead of "just" mislynching. Same about you. I'd say it's to risky to lynch into people like that d1 for those reasons. | ||
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As mentioned, redFF is more of a backuplynch for me and I'd like to see if we can make this happen. I just don't think redFF is the best lynch but it would be at least a low risk lynch in comparison to lynching someone like BC. Will be here around the deadline. | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:19 prplhz wrote: I am not lying, it takes more time than 15 mins for me to read up on a page and make notes. You should think this over syllogism because you're dead wrong and I think you have been right in just about everything else so far. I am trying my best this game, I am being active when you need me to be and I'm not being disruptive at all. There are way better targets around for a last-minute-switch. Names would be nice. Who are those people who are supposed to be way better targets? Why are you mentioning that but I have to ask you about this? Why are you not just trying to help right now and tell us what you think in the first place? | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:29 prplhz wrote: Because I didn't want to post as long as I wasn't in danger of getting lynched and as long as I wasn't fully up date with my notes and with reading filters. You didn't want to post unless you're in danger of getting lynched and as you weren't fully up to date with your notes? That sounds awfully scummy. Why should a townie not be willing to post until he's up for a lynch? | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. Right now I am trying to stop the lynch of me and pushing the Blazinghand lynch. It may not be the best around but it's a ton better than me. You are trying to pull arguments out of the thin air with the "dissatisfied getting lynched day1" argument and the timing-argument. I agree with the other things you've said, I haven't been performing as I ideally wanted to be and as people would probably expect me to be. It's again the same thing. I don't want you to do a huge ass case within 5 minutes. I got that you're still reading but it feels like you're dodging the question. Who are those people. Just give us a couple of names, maybe a little sentence why and when you're done with that you may do another post later on and explain your thoughts. I just really want to hear something right now and so far you only say "there's way better options" and you keep saying that all the time without actually mentioning who that might be. You said BH is okayish but not the best lynch. Who would be the best lynch? | ||
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I am considering voting him and screwing my "don't lynch vets"-rule I proposed. But I'd like to look at a game he played as mafia really quick first. I looked through his filter in his game and thought that his style is NOTHING like what he did in L and GM's big game on top of what syllo pointed out about his posts although I already said that it could very well be a wrong conclusion on syllos part. Not to mention that his abstinence is kind of worrying as well. | ||
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What do you guys think about BCs style this game? Usually he's trying to look calm and talks to people no matter if they are vets or some new guys explaining his thoughts and what he's doing in a reasonable and polite/nice fashion. You might not agree with what he does when he's town like I did not agree with the mason topic being a good topic in L d1 but he's doing whatever he does for a reason. This game however he does very little and what he does seems troublesome. His last post: On February 22 2012 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why did I subject myself to read this fucking nonsense. Do I have to say this? Role does not equal alignment. Redff claiming his role in hopes to confirm his alignment is horseshit. In an unknown setup and him claiming that there may be multi target abilities the chances of mafia having a role to find said abilities is just as within reason as the town. He then states that if he is roleblocked to lynch him, but says its not optimal to lynch claimed blues? Contradiction and sounds like hes just finding any reason to stay alive. This level of play is so insanely bad that it makes me sad. He knows all this and yet still does the play to create a total shit fest of a thread and does not in anyway create a pro town environment. As for syllo. Get off my nuts. 5 hours is never enough information to actually commit to a read especially given my horrible ability to differentiate between bad play and bad scum. Find other straw men to go burn. ##vote redff This game he's just not helpful at all. Looks like he's pissed a lot and while I do agree that you should not commit to a read after 5hours of a game I don't see a problem with posting them nevertheless. They're bound to change, noone is expecting someone to find 4/4 mafia after 5 hours yet it feels like he refuses to talk about his reads. The only issue I have with that is that I still think mafia-BC would not have a problem talking about reads when asked and does not need to dodge like that, therefore I thought that his explanation is maybe a little bit over the top but genuine nevertheless. His first couple of posts are literally uselss. He agrees with Jackal that the shit that was going on between redFF and wbg is something that has to stop and yet goes on to talk to redFF like that as well. He has to know what kind of guy redFF is and what kind of reaction he'll probably get from redFF, still he keeps talking about this in a fashion that is just nothing like his helpful style I saw in L and GMs game. and yeah that's basicly everything he did this game and he ended up picking the easiest lynch there is. I still think the issues we got about redFF need to be discussed but there are obviously some things that are worrying and that's the reason I am calling redFF my backup-lynch rather than a normal lynch option. If BC would be anyone else I'd instavote him right now. I am just honestly scared to be wrong because if I'm wrong on someone like redFF that's not as much of a deal. If I am wrong on BC we're in trouble not only because we lost BC but also because Mafia is very likely to doublestack people like that if they are town to get rid of them. Mislynching BC kind of gives mafia a couple of free KP on top of just mislynching imo. That's the big issue I have and again, if this would be anyone else I'd be all over him. That's why I want to hear more opinions about him. | ||
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Yeah totally voting BC right now, I had the balls to vote BC for mayor in GM's game although everyone said it's way too dangerous to vote and I'm having the balls to lynch him today. With this stacked of a set-up my "don't lynch vets d1"-rule really isn't an option. In 20-something games with 4 to 6 vets I still think it's good to not lynch into that but there's no possibility to think about that in this game. | ||
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On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: syllogism, you said you'd look at other people, was I the only one you would consider? I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? you said you'd be up to lynch BC and said he's really scummy yourself if I recall correctly. With your vote BC'd be on 4 votes. RedFF is only on 7 | ||
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But yeah a lot of people are not here for whatever reason. | ||
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 I'm trying to read something into that mistake and I can't think of something that makes sense lol | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:14 layabout wrote: Whilst i would like to call VE dumb with have bigger things to deal with. Voting for BC right now is not only dumb due to how people have been behaving but it a terrible move. This was first pointed out to me in Purgatory. If there are two wagons the first wagon is significantly more likely to hit a scum because no counterwagon against a scum player would gain mafia support and the wagon would likely fail. So any successful counterwagon is much more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum because the wagon should only gain support from mafia if it is a townie.Barring a DT check, that is the only time that a counterwagon could be correct. do you think BC is town given what he posted so far? | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote: Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him  I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weightOn February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? | ||
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