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Kita was putting in effort. DocH was putting in effort. Dirkzor was herpin and a derpin putting in effort.
I think of everyone, I'm the most upset about the showing from BC. Once I was sure he was scum, I kept having this irrational fear of him ruining everything for me. Luckily for me, it never came...but that's an unfortunate side-effect of being anally excavated by scumBC before.
I'd like to apologize to DocH - I told my wife the night that DocH was pushing me hard that I poured on the 'offended townie' a little thick and I was afraid I made him feel bad. I've since realized that it was all just part of his game, but I still know I appealed to emotion pretty hard. My bad dude - quit being so good at the game! 
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Also, one of you scummy fuckers is buying me a drink at Columbus. LMAO I worked my ass off this game.
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On March 13 2012 09:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:24 Toadesstern wrote:
well there were a lot of people who I thought were incredible hard to convince to do the right thing although I had a town read on them. Logic wasn't working, which is why I went with the fake claim. Remember town, lying always pays off. You should all do it more often.
Like, you jest...but seriously guy. Towns need to practice taking a step back from their point of view and seeing if everything lines up before dismissing other lines of thought. These games are won by playing them, not by letting them be played by others and just sheeping them. Look how close you got to winning with that lie! TL towns are degrading to a point where you almost have to lie about a blue-check or night-action in order to be listened to at all. As you said, logic gets turned off and people go into auto-sheep mode.
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On March 13 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't blame BC for not playing, some of the things I read were just...so painful.
Seriously, when people are doing so little work that they aren't reading their own posts, that really sucks the motivation to play right out.
I mean, I said it in-game and I believed it then. He had to expect it no matter what the game was supposed to be according to Palmar. It's just the way shit is in TL towns right now - we've got a lot of new players and a lot of players who just can't be convinced to listen to logic or reason. Look at Kitaman - he was on a team that was being thoroughly trounced until the end - but instead of give up he improvised - lied to town in an effort to get them to vote with him. It worked, and he almost won for it. I'll admit to resorting to suboptimal play is less than desirable, but it is what it is these days. There's a reason these games are fashioned after a town. In life, if you go out and pick out a reasonable cross-section of a given city's population, do you think all of them are going to see and recognize good logic? If everybody in the game was able to see and recognize good logic, then mafia would almost never win. Part of the game is manipulation, not just for scum but for town too. It's town's job to know when they have to be manipulative, or even downright scummy, in order to achieve their own objectives.
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On March 13 2012 10:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's not even listening to logic at this point. (If you've noticed, I've completely stopped talking about logic)
it's just about reading. People aren't doing the most basic part of the game.
If people were reading, I wouldn't have trolled so hard.
Don't front Bugs, you would have trolled regardless of what happened in the game.
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That list is so full of "WIN" Foolish. "But when I do, I don't" is probably my favorite.
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That means a lot coming from you two in particular, thanks.
I told Palmar in PMs at the end of N5(?) that even if I don't win, I still win - it's not every game that I get hit N1 for my reads. Obviously I was under the impression that I was hit on N1, but I was RB'd all game for them so that's kinda the same thing.
Luckily I'm widely regarded as being horrible, so killing me wasn't necessary.
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On March 13 2012 11:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 13 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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Anyone who says lynching an sk is a bad move as the sk is playing pro town? You are retarded. Sk's are pro sk. They will help either side as needed to achieve their own win condition. Do not rely on them. When it hit 6v4 it was actually 5v4v1 and town could no longer win. It ended up being a game of determining if scum or sk won, the game should never reach that point so fast. It was not about not lynching the sk, we just had no oppertunity to lynch him. We had a bunch of 100% confirmed mafias and we were in lylo. Yeah we were no longer able to win without a save but given that we needed a save lynching mafias first is the right thing because it gives us multiple nights to get that save while lynching the third party first is risky. I'm perfectly fine with telling people to not think about a "pro-town" 3rd party when we're at lylo as long as there's still mafia alive. We had 2 townies that were INCREDIBLE hard to get on the right lynch and I did not want to lose them to some manipulation from someone else and have people talking about alternatives when we really needed to hit mafia or it's an insta-lose. There was no way to win without protection. To get more chances to get that we obviously take the saver route and lynch mafia first. It's a closed set-up after all and noone knew about mafias abilities. Yeah it's a stupid thing to say a SK is "pro-town" but it got people lynching mafia which was needed. let me repeat, we did not have 100% confirmed mafia. Based on my general apathy I could have easily been town as I would have been as uncaring this game as town. You can say im bsing that but I repeatedly stated I was not going to play another pyp3 as it was not enjoyable in any shape or form and was far more frustrating than it was worth. Also, when you start flipping mafia and near everyone of them is telling you there is an sk? Guess what, it could be a ruse but more than likely THEY ARE TELLING TOWN THERE IS AN SK. The only reason a 4th misslynch didn't happen was people auto buy roleclaims. You claimed a role you could not prove except in death based on when you claimed it. Kita claimed a role that was obviously fake. Had he worded his claim slightly more carefully and not called himself a dt we almost certaintly would have outed someone else as the sk. Lynching RoL, and bugs were both smart lynches. The moment that tyrran flipped town should have instantly realized there was an sk. Why? Because we would never shoot a player that had a fraction of a possibility of being lynched over a mafia. No one discussed this and instead continued to lynch through the mafia suspects. I am not saying mafia played well as we didn't. But town played for the most part excusing very few players horrifically.
This was my number one concern. I considered shooting Cwave instead, but town was all about just continuing to lynch scum so I rolled the dice. This was a serious consideration on that kill though, absolutely. I was shocked no one put that together.
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On March 13 2012 11:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
we RBed you because you were completely obvious about having a gun -_-
we never at any point considered your reads a threat outside of you potentially shooting us.
From a mafia perspective that's the only reason I'll ever roleblock someone, and since most players are relatively unpredictable it just means hunting anyone with a gun and RBing them.
I think I understand the balance concerns with having a BP SK. IMO they should be, at best, one shot BP, not completely BP, because in such situations as we had this game, it becomes nearly impossible for scum to kill them. The optimal play for any SK when town is being lynched is to shoot into scum. So, that means we're forced to RB the SK. That's exactly what happened both n1 and n2.
N3 we could've chosen not to RB VE but we made an incorrect assumption about the number and type of blues in the game. We assumed there were around 6, not 9. Thus, when we were relatively safe we assumed there couldn't potentially be 3 KP floating around (ultimately we realized there was 3 KP floating around, IIRC) because we killed syllo, so we assumed the only other vig was one of VE/Toad.
Since roleblocking VE had worked out for us up till that point, there was no reason to switch off.
I'M YOUR MOTHERFUCKING HUCKLEBERRY BUGS!
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Fair enough - put that way it sounded like you were saying "Psh, VE? Puh-leeze."
I get what you mean though - it sucks but you're probably right.
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I soft-claimed Vig so I could hard-claim Vet later bro.
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It's because I have cute puppy-dog eyes.
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Oh stuff it Syllo I'm awesome.
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It might have been me trying to quote someone - if it was, sorry bros.
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Oh - well then it wasn't me. =D
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