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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 10 2012 19:20 GMT
#641
I'm done reading your posts TheToast. You spend less time pulling useless text walls out of your ass than I spend reading them. Considering that they never contain anything remotely thoughtful, that's not a good situation for me.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 10 2012 19:46 GMT
#642
Anyway, back on track. I decided to take a close look at BaronFel's posting. Some of this is stuff that I posted before, just trying to arrange it more logically.

Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though:

On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote:
After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.

##Unvote: Sinensis

I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...

##Vote: Timeaisis

For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).


Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad.

For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.

Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however:

On February 04 2012 12:23 BaronFel wrote:
Sinensis, you aren't really making this easier. While you may not be acting like scum, you're really hurting towns chances by throwing around accusations and not really giving any logical arguments =/


Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up:

On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:
Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.

If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig.

I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking

Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD)

##Vote: Sinensis


If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1.

He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:

On February 09 2012 08:55 BaronFel wrote:

I'm going to keep with my original suspicion and vote Nisani. I think his posts today have made me more suspicious of him (even if he didn't have me as the second target). It feels as though he knows his argument against us isn't that strong and so he's trying to quickly push the votes and focus on to someone else since he knows people were looking at him n2.

##Vote: Nisani201


Ummmmm.... whose us?

No, really, whose us?

Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits:

On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:
Show nested quote +
What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them?


I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone.


He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low.

All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment...
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 10 2012 20:04 GMT
#643
I'm sorry if that last post was overly hostile, it's nothing personal and all within the game, but you're stomping all over my last nerve.

I'm still not reading your posts.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 10 2012 20:33 GMT
#644
About a good third of your post is a repost and explaining that you're reposting.

As for "us", let's see... who else was Nisani arguing against Day 3?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 10 2012 20:43 GMT
#645
Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened:

On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote:
Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it?


On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote:
what happens if no one has a majority?

##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
##Vote: No Lynch


Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him?
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 10 2012 20:58 GMT
#646
You brought up BaronFel.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 10 2012 21:09 GMT
#647
On February 11 2012 05:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
You brought up BaronFel.


Actually prplhz brought him up first, though I was already looking at him. Sentinel, are you still looking at Nisani? Who else do you currently think is scum?
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 10 2012 21:16 GMT
#648
I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.

Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.

Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 10 2012 22:15 GMT
#649
On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.

Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.

Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way.


Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz?
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 10 2012 23:06 GMT
#650
If Bluelightz is scum that means he's gotten bussed by sinani and is now bussing Baron.

I mean he makes retarded posts, but Timeaisis (peace be upon him) did that too and now look where he was.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 10 2012 23:40 GMT
#651
On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote:
You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game.


Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 10 2012 23:45 GMT
#652
Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 10 2012 23:48 GMT
#653
On February 11 2012 08:45 Bluelightz wrote:
Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing?


pick 2 out of the 3 to be scum:
you
bluelightz
bf
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 10 2012 23:48 GMT
#654
err I derped up that post. meant to put
you
nisani
bf
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#655
I could see BF being scum after what Toast has pointed out, Nisani as well too, but I'm gonna wait for him to post first.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
February 10 2012 23:57 GMT
#656
Hopefully we can all agree on lynching BaronFel tomorrow.
Enjoy your day.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 11 2012 00:03 GMT
#657
On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.

Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.

Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way.


Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz?


I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 11 2012 00:10 GMT
#658
On February 11 2012 05:43 TheToast wrote:
Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened:

Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote:
Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it?


Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote:
what happens if no one has a majority?

##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
##Vote: No Lynch


Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him?


I was waiting to see if anyone would jump onto him out of the blue (read:bandwagon) to try and force his lynch. You should be able to tell that I wasn't putting my full weight behind his lynch. I unvoted him when it looked like he was on the railroad to be hung.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#659
I disagree with some of your logic toast, but I'll get to it later. doesn't rly matter because I agree with your reads, anyways.

conclusion;
1. lynch bf
2. lynch bluelightz/nisani
3. destroy chaos once and for all
4. ???
5. profit

I got practice, may or may not be back before the deadline.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
BaronFel
Profile Joined July 2009
United States155 Posts
February 11 2012 01:22 GMT
#660

Anyway, back on track. I decided to take a close look at BaronFel's posting. Some of this is stuff that I posted before, just trying to arrange it more logically.

Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though:


I believe I already stated my position on why I voted for Timeaisis day 1.


Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad.

For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.


I'll give you the fact that I did indeed not use the filter. I did not know it existed till a bit later in the thread (when someone linked my filter). I was just going off of what I had read straight through in the thread.

Also, it was never my intention to make it seem like I was coming to the conclusion myself that he was using the "I'm new card". When I read Echelon write that I thought "now that I think of it, it seems like he did say he was new rather often" and went with that.


Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however:

Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up:

If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1.


I usually try to clear things up when people call me out. I would think it would look worse if he called me out and I just tried to ignore it. What if I had ignored it, someone going through filters will now say "BaronFel never defended himself etc".


He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:

Ummmmm.... whose us?

No, really, whose us?


Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument...

At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum).


Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits:

He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low.


I'm saying that what prplhz wanted me to say (or from my assumption from his post), was to give a definitive "They were killed because [a],[b],[c], probably most likely from [person a] and/or [person b]". I gave some reasons as to why they might have been targeted, but as I said, I didn't have any strong suspicions at the time. Anyone I said could have easily been town, and I didn't think it'd be right if I called someone else out.
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