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I take it you're doing the same bullshit wbg does since I did not make it to your list? | ||
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He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] + On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote: please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote: lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: if anybody need help organising their thoughts i have a pretty useful MS paint template: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q9mkP.png) Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: He normally posts about a page day1, it is not unusual for him to post very little. he is typically aggressive. he has only ever been town he absolutely hates it when you try to "meta" him. Here is a post i made when i was scum about him in a game in which he looked sorta scummy but was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=32#630 his previous games (which you may want to look at) Election mafia (town) Tl Mafia XLVII (town) Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town) Newbie mini mafia (town) TL Mafia XLV (town) Hammer mini Mafia (town) sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie? | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1. And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: take back everything? such bold statements as: "i'd rather not lynch radfield d1" and "I'm so much more foresighted than radfield." - pre-game Now you're backpedaling on statements you never made that's a first for me keep cool man. Just lynch me if I end up lynching wrong people and I'm fine with that. Or read my last game and you might understand why I don't really feal like explaining a lot right now unless someone really wants to talk with me and discuss my own and his reads. The pregame thing you quoted got a trollface underneath and it's pregame. It's common knwoledge that 99% of everything said pregame is trolling isn't it? But I'm getting the same feeling I got from p4n last game about you this game. So that's a good thing I guess. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad' you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing. that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote: Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote: I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a mafia but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. EBWOP in bold | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:38 Radfield wrote: I think you're scum Toad, I realize it's your birthday and all, but it has to be done  I wasn't gonna day 1 scumhunt this game, but I just can't help myself In all seriousness, I do think Toad scum: This post is the major factor for Toad in my mind: This post is made after several attempts at getting Toad to flesh out his reads. Read the spoiler quotes to see the context. First he opens with an excuse as to why he is not contributing and may not contribute in the future. That is somewhat scummy, but not particularly damning. I said I'm not going to to cases d1 and will do them d2. At least that's what I wanted to make it look like without actually saying it. Although I did say it recently Second he states he doesn't like me(which I assume means he thinks I am scummy) because he disagrees with my reads. That is not a valid reason to find someone scummy(in the early game), and shows the wrong mindset. Fact is, Kita looks like his inactive 'helpful' mafia play right now, and VE looks defensive and skittish. They are most certainly not so townie that calling them suspicious is a bad thing. Again, this is scummy but not terrible. I did not like you because you posted nothing early on and I wanted you to start posting. Easy as that. But yeah although I mentioned the reads on VE and Kita they're not the reason my talk about you. Third and most importantly is the last line: This is in addition to these posts: Similar posts, and in all three Toad is already backing off the CC, layabout train. They are his top 2, he has mentioned them multiple times, but not only is he not making an effort to push them, he is basically capitulating that they might not get lynched. CC is a decent target, and the fact is there are decent reasons to push him, yet Toad has not found them. I voted CC. As mentioned I'm not going to post big fancy cases on d1 because I think they'd be driven by tunneling and my gut feeligns which would make me think "I got to fine something that makes him scumm". Don't want that early on. And no I'm not backing off. If I'd be backing off you'd hear me saying something like I said about Palmar Additionally, although this is a minor point, Toad says they are mafia, or third party. There is simply no reason for a town player to add in the last bit. If Toad is scum he likely KNOWS that CC and Layabout are town, so the inclination to hedge and call them third party is large. Not a huge thing, but really jumped out at me when I read it. So what are you saying. You just said CC and laya are reasonable lynches and now you're telling me I'm mafia and I know they're town? I said that because I think he's either a red trying to push that or he might actually be catwoman. If I thought he's badman I would not have made that statement. His other targets, Kenpachi, BM and Palmar are just policy lynches. KP and BM are both perennial easy targets, and day 1 lynch bait for mafia. Including Palmar in here doesn't even make sense, and directly contradicts Toads earlier post: Toad is going to try and figure Palmar out somehow else, which apparently just means voting him off Day 1. That doesn't make sense. You are using Palmar's somewhat trollish play(trollish play that you yourself already admitted was standard fare for Townie Palmar) as an excuse for a scum read. yeah Kenpachi would be a policy lynch, BM half a policy lynch tops and I'm not going to vote palmar with his most recent posts This post is also a red flag: This post both undermines the thread, and encourages vigilantes to shoot into anyone trolling. Trolling is almost always a townie trait, as it both spotlights you and bring about the ire of town. Two things most mafia players seek to avoid. I thought I'm doing the same to some defree just that those people are overdoing it. It's basicly what palmar said about layabout and what I said about risk.nuke last game: I don't think / he doesn't think that he'd have the balls to do that as a mafia. However I'm not sure on layabouts matter about that question. VE for example trolls as mafia on purpose because it's well known that town trolls d1 and he know that he get's away with that because of his meta. I don't think the reads on Kenpachi are going to be better any time soon so we might lynch / shoot him if we got noone else who might be a viable target. Palmar might end up being useful because he either is trolling-rightish or trolling-wrongish and therefore we don't need to kill him but I want to get his reads to keep him accountable There are other points and posts, but most of them are minor. Agree or Disagree? ##Vote: Toadesstern | ||
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On February 08 2012 00:00 Radfield wrote: [...] His last post seems pretty meh to me. Sheth and VE I pretty much agree on. I'm not sure how you can have an opinion on Hiro though. Why is he on your list. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote: Rad, why You didn't want to scumhunt Day 1? Because I'm normally wrong Day 1  . I wanted to scumhunt, just not really scumhunt publicly. I feel like too often my voice carries more weight than it should on Day 1, as I don't think my Day 1 track record is better than anyone elses. I cannot help myself though... Because hiro has not posted at all (pretty much) but last game he played very active. He was not a VT but a Detective. Why should he lurk so hardcore as a VT if he's posting A LOT as a blue? Why should he lurk hardcore if he's a blue again? I'd say he's neither a blue nor a green. It's just nothing like his last game. | ||
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It was a sarcastic statement refering to that L game. prot made a list that had something like 4 people in there + myself and said all 5 are mafia. I think I said all 4 other people are good lynches or pushed for them myself so I told him he's bullshitting because as a mafia I'd probably not bus so many people day1 if he really thinks the list is right. Same with your list. Sheth is a nice list and I agree with lynching him, Cybercheese is my vote and the one I'm "pushing" today. Do you really think I am mafia if you think those 2 are mafia or is that just OMGUS because I said you're my #2 ? That's the post I was referring to (not the complete list, only those with an explanation): + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:28 Palmar wrote: lol But no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either. We should be looking at lynching into the three following people: Sheth VisceraEyes Hiro Protagonist agree with sheth and hiro. I'm not to sure about VE yet so who do you think is the most likely to flip scum? As mentioned Hiro is nothing like his last game but as everything I got on him is his abstinence campared to his blue-play last game I'd suggest lynching Sheth first. No way to convice you that lynching CC is an even better target than those 2? | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:44 layabout wrote: Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious? i mean seriously? besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy. Because I already got 3 days of "OMFG LYNCH TOAD" after I said something I thought was obviously clear and only in one way interpretable but out of nowhere a bunch of random noobs jumped on me yelling "OMFG HE SAID BLUES TO SHOW THEMSELVES, LYYYYYYNCH HIM". So yeah, I've seen a lot of bullshit :p Which case are you talking about? The one Rad did? I already responded to that one and neither rad nor you said something about my response so I thought I'm clear now. Also palmar said I'm clear. Also rad & wbg thinks I am mafia. All things that should make you think I'm a townie at this point in time. And no, saying you're scummy is not a reason to say I am scummy as a response | ||
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As long as there's some people pushing the right targets I'm fine with swapping, don't need to push CC/bomb the tread with 20 different cases and sheth is one of the right targets for today ##Vote sheth | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:58 layabout wrote: What is it that seperates hiro protagonist from chaoser or evantrees or Slardar or Risk.nuke or Opz or or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico? there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy? his posts from game start: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 08:16 hiro protagonist wrote: /confirm On February 06 2012 15:59 hiro protagonist wrote: no. also: thats why. On February 06 2012 16:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Also I would like to reiterate what Dr. H said, dont talk about batman/catwoman for now. It only distracts us from scumhunting. What are you seeing here that i am not? I already answered that one somewhere. In L Hiro posted A LOT and was very active from the get go. He was Detective that game, so that's a role that people might tend to play lurkish but he did not. So if he's playing his blue roles like DT so active he surly would do the same as a green because green players should be posting a lot and try to catch bullets. So his lurking is quite strange given that he played his last game so activly as a blue. Slardar, does the exact same thing as last game. That's what I got in my notes about him this game + Show Spoiler [Slardar] + not posting at all. Did that in L as well and is not contributing. Thought he's a mafia in L because of that so I guess it's a null ///Yes that's everything I got on him  ///Same about evantrees I guess but I haven't looked in that filter yet. Risk.nuke got a reason for lurking and noone is going to push him Adam was quite lurky in L as well if I recall correctly, opz is somewhat scummy for me and those other 2 guys you mentioned are new to me. The thing about hiro is that it's a pretty weak "case". It's only proving that he's playing bad this game, it's not proving that he can't be town or that he's mafia but it's something to look at imo. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:14 layabout wrote: How can that which does not play, play badly? because not posting at all is not a useful talent toi have for a townie + I know he's capable to play good = Do not like the rest in your list is a null read for me, some maybe slightly leaning scum, some slightly leaning town but that's not sure at all. If you find Palmar posting like a complete idiot you want to hit that. If you find someone that you don't know behaving like a complete idiot that's a null tell, especially if they never played a game here. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:30 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [a bit off-topic] + Hit that? ![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/derp.jpg) Poll: Do you want to hit that? Define "hit that" (3) Yes (1) No (0) Since he often trolls day1 and is potentially a valuable town asset likely to die n1or n2, no (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Do you want to hit that? (Vote): Yes If it's a lurker you want to lynch Tyrran might be a good choice. I already said I never played with Tyrran didn't I? I don't like lynching lurkers unless I have to. And if I have to I'm going for lurkers I know are capable to play this game in the first play. If that's not possible I'm gladly lynching someone who's lurking and I never played with. Why are you defending hiro so much? It's not like I said I want to lynch him right now. He's something like #5 in my prioritylist. Maybe even lower. After all he could have some issues and he has to lurk because of some RL-stuff or whatever. It's just a (heavy) fos so far. | ||
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