EPTBut no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either.
We should be looking at lynching into the three following people:
Sheth
VisceraEyes
Hiro Protagonist
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
But no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either. We should be looking at lynching into the three following people: Sheth VisceraEyes Hiro Protagonist | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
It was a sarcastic statement refering to that L game. prot made a list that had something like 4 people in there + myself and said all 5 are mafia. I think I said all 4 other people are good lynches or pushed for them myself so I told him he's bullshitting because as a mafia I'd probably not bus so many people day1 if he really thinks the list is right. Same with your list. Sheth is a nice list and I agree with lynching him, Cybercheese is my vote and the one I'm "pushing" today. Do you really think I am mafia if you think those 2 are mafia or is that just OMGUS because I said you're my #2 ? That's the post I was referring to (not the complete list, only those with an explanation): + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:28 Palmar wrote: lol But no, we're not lynching Toad. We're not lynching layabout either. We should be looking at lynching into the three following people: Sheth VisceraEyes Hiro Protagonist agree with sheth and hiro. I'm not to sure about VE yet so who do you think is the most likely to flip scum? As mentioned Hiro is nothing like his last game but as everything I got on him is his abstinence campared to his blue-play last game I'd suggest lynching Sheth first. No way to convice you that lynching CC is an even better target than those 2? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:35 Toadesstern wrote: It was a sarcastic statement refering to that L game. prot made a list that had something like 4 people in there + myself and said all 5 are mafia. I think I said all 4 other people are good lynches or pushed for them myself so I told him he's bullshitting because as a mafia I'd probably not bus so many people day1 if he really thinks the list is right. Same with your list. Sheth is a nice list and I agree with lynching him, Cybercheese is my vote and the one I'm "pushing" today. Do you really think I am mafia if you think those 2 are mafia or is that just OMGUS because I said you're my #2 ? That's the post I was referring to (not the complete list, only those with an explanation): + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 19 2012 12:02 Protactinium wrote: GGQ is cool. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. Yes this is a double post. For some reason I am always cursed with posting when my post will end up at the bottom of a page. Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious? i mean seriously? besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy. On February 08 2012 01:31 Bill Murray wrote: layabout, you put me as a "poor lynch target" - have i ever received a vote this game? No but people had said that they were fine lynching you. Your behaviour this game does not make you more likely to be scum than anyone else hence you are a "poor lynch target". | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:16 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [For JJ] + Radfield past games http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=52884 Election Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=52884 Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=52884 Pick Your Power Interesting! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=52884 Lord of the Rings Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240842&user=52884 Merc Mini 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762&user=52884 Closed Casket Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973&user=52884 Pick Your Power Insane! remember how in student we had a little "falling out"? i think you need to remember that what happens in the thread stays in thread and you should not let your (admittedly justifiable) hatred of me make you see red where there is none. None of the reasons you have given have any relation to my alignment. I have only one rule: Be Polite. You should not have called my a prick. It's bullying. I was hoping that by ignoring you you would go away. If anything this game i have tried to be a sort-of "lovable arsehole", sure i am a bit of a prick but i am a prick with a smile.  That bullshit formula was and is an effective means to hunt scum that should be more successful than the average TL town. Why are you trying to draw parallels between my play in that game and my play in this one. I made that post because i was frustrated and had WAY too much time on my hands. In that game i threw effort at the thread, in this game i have been useless and fairly neutral in my posting. Nevertheless how is that post (the MS paint pic) indicative of my alignment? I wonder how not responding shows that i am "scared". Tunkeg you called me useless (i have been) and you criticised my bullshit formula. I didn't think it was worth responding to. You then threw a vote on me which has prompted a response but it does not contain much, because there is not a lot to say. To me it appears that Tunkeg doesn't like me, he may be trying to pressure me but i feel like he just wants to vote for the sake of it.... Speaking of which i never really explained my vote for cyber cheese. I was going to post this back on page 17 in but decided not to i have spoilered first bit because the initial discussion should not be brought up over and over, but i have left it there anyway: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? Do you honestly think that Kenpachi's posting shows us that he is likely to be scum? The focus on him is stupid and i think we should abandon that path of thought. If i were to say: "Kurumi has not posted any tf2 related videos yet, i reckon that means that he is scum, voteKurumi" any player would be entitled to tell me that that is bullcrap and that i should not be trying to lynch you for that reason. It is not an issue of defending anybody. It is an issue of bad reasoning. That said i think that Ken is nearly always a reasonable lynch and that he is therefore easy to lynch. If we want to hunt scum pressuring Kenpachi seems like a bad way to start. Conversely, since mafia do not want us to successfully hunt scum such discussion is a good way for them to start Cyber Cheese As a player that has advocated an anti-town move i think that cyber cheese would be a far better lynch candidate. Yes that is basically it. I know its weak. But there isn't much to go on yet. (most of this has been said already) Joker does not need to claim. Joker claiming costs town a vig and has no considerable benefits -Batman cannot communicate directly with us so we cannot know if Batman intends to help town -Batman could still hit town whether or not the Joker is alive, if town is winning it makes sense for batman to kill town. -Batman could simply use DT powers to find Hugo and not kill scum (other than Hugo), which doesn't help town since -Batman would still need to kill Hugo Strange whether the Joker is alive or not On February 06 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This could be a perfectly pro-town - contribute if you are town post. As a side note, if you don't want a topic discussed, add in a topic that will create discussion in it's place. It could also be an "I know my plan is useless and that following it would benefit scum but please don't just call it bad, think of another (hopefully unproductive) topic and discuss that instead" If he felt that claiming Joker was worth considering and benficial to town, it would make sense to try to discuss it and push it. Instead this post would remove his responsibility for discussing a pro-mafia move. I suppose i didn't post it because i often prepare posts and then don't post them because they aren't good enough. + Show Spoiler + You may wish to pause and think about what this means i was also wondering who would still be pushing players using the logic of "they have best useless therefore they must be scum" So far nearly every player that has been put forward to be lynched has had something in common: They have not behaved in a way that suggests that they have an above average chance of flipping scum. Most people pushing cases have been doing so not because they have substance but because of "some other reason that is probably not pro-town" + Show Spoiler [Examples of poor lynch targets] + Bill Murray Kenpachi rgtheschworz - i know some people had reasons but they were not good slardar jaybrundage layabout -_-Qualis All of that negative crap said We now have a few candidates that might actually be scum: Toad Cyber+Cheese Sheth maybe someone else I have no hatred for you <3 Yes, I had in Student. I think you were a sarcastic, arrogant bastard in that game. But in that game I think you played very good. You came in and won town the game by getting xtfftc lynched. You were also spot on considering me and my posts (pretty bad), but the way you presented it pissed me off. The difference here is that you haven't done anything worthwhile. I am not sure how to interpret your reply to me here, I was both hoping and fearing at the same time that you would come out guns a blazing at me. Hoping because that somehow would show that you didn't fear getting into a attention seeking fight, fearing because it might have caused me to tunnel you forever. This calm collected answer worries me... I am not sure how to procede here. My vote stays on you for now. Convice me otherwise by doing some good posts. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:44 layabout wrote: Why did you respond to something that isn't remotely serious with something serious when the original unserious response was a response to you yourself not being serious? i mean seriously? besides there is a difference between players that are good lynch targets and players that are actually scum. It's not my fault that there is a case against you that isn't a load of crap and that you called me scummy. Because I already got 3 days of "OMFG LYNCH TOAD" after I said something I thought was obviously clear and only in one way interpretable but out of nowhere a bunch of random noobs jumped on me yelling "OMFG HE SAID BLUES TO SHOW THEMSELVES, LYYYYYYNCH HIM". So yeah, I've seen a lot of bullshit :p Which case are you talking about? The one Rad did? I already responded to that one and neither rad nor you said something about my response so I thought I'm clear now. Also palmar said I'm clear. Also rad & wbg thinks I am mafia. All things that should make you think I'm a townie at this point in time. And no, saying you're scummy is not a reason to say I am scummy as a response | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
As long as there's some people pushing the right targets I'm fine with swapping, don't need to push CC/bomb the tread with 20 different cases and sheth is one of the right targets for today ##Vote sheth | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
half of the game having the names of their own makes it hard for scum to roll with that we would have a lot of potential 1-1 lynches, could coordinate our night actions more, and would probably win in a landslide (but that's reason to lynch me, right?) if it's reason for dissent, it probably came from mafia, or people who didn't understand what i was suggesting | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico? there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy? his posts from game start: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 08:16 hiro protagonist wrote: /confirm On February 06 2012 15:59 hiro protagonist wrote: no. also: thats why. On February 06 2012 16:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Also I would like to reiterate what Dr. H said, dont talk about batman/catwoman for now. It only distracts us from scumhunting. What are you seeing here that i am not? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:58 layabout wrote: What is it that seperates hiro protagonist from chaoser or evantrees or Slardar or Risk.nuke or Opz or or even Katina or Adam4167 or Tyran or ico? there are many players that are lurking to varying degrees, Why is Hiro scummy? his posts from game start: + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2012 08:16 hiro protagonist wrote: /confirm On February 06 2012 15:59 hiro protagonist wrote: no. also: thats why. On February 06 2012 16:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Also I would like to reiterate what Dr. H said, dont talk about batman/catwoman for now. It only distracts us from scumhunting. What are you seeing here that i am not? I already answered that one somewhere. In L Hiro posted A LOT and was very active from the get go. He was Detective that game, so that's a role that people might tend to play lurkish but he did not. So if he's playing his blue roles like DT so active he surly would do the same as a green because green players should be posting a lot and try to catch bullets. So his lurking is quite strange given that he played his last game so activly as a blue. Slardar, does the exact same thing as last game. That's what I got in my notes about him this game + Show Spoiler [Slardar] + not posting at all. Did that in L as well and is not contributing. Thought he's a mafia in L because of that so I guess it's a null ///Yes that's everything I got on him  ///Same about evantrees I guess but I haven't looked in that filter yet. Risk.nuke got a reason for lurking and noone is going to push him Adam was quite lurky in L as well if I recall correctly, opz is somewhat scummy for me and those other 2 guys you mentioned are new to me. The thing about hiro is that it's a pretty weak "case". It's only proving that he's playing bad this game, it's not proving that he can't be town or that he's mafia but it's something to look at imo. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
instead of our units shooting one another we potentially have more kp than the mafia, and batman might help us nab hugo massclaiming is a good idea, even if i originally just meant nameclaiming, i'm starting to believe *dont stop.. believin'* | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie WTF do you want to achieve by this? If you aren't scum you got a big crosshair on you, and if you aren't third party you will soon enough die at night. I can not see a scenario where this will benefit town. More so we as a town don't get any smarter by this, you aren't confirmed in any way you just confuse us by doing so. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:08 Toadesstern wrote: -paraphrased- Kill Hiro because of: Meta in One game How can that which does not play, play badly? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:14 layabout wrote: How can that which does not play, play badly? because not posting at all is not a useful talent toi have for a townie + I know he's capable to play good = Do not like the rest in your list is a null read for me, some maybe slightly leaning scum, some slightly leaning town but that's not sure at all. If you find Palmar posting like a complete idiot you want to hit that. If you find someone that you don't know behaving like a complete idiot that's a null tell, especially if they never played a game here. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: layabout ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth Palmar, why have you got a hardon for lynching me bro? I'm not scum. I'm the towniest town that ever towned a town. Best CHECK YOSELF. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
First three pages after start of the game were a big circlejerk and then the next three are just random accusations and shitty logic...I should have listened to GM about playing in games with lots of newbies... I hate all of you /end rant ##vote rgTheSchworz Read some of his shit... "I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions." "I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Terribad for us." "You, sir are Scum" and then..."And me be damned if this is not a pressurevote or a normal vote in any way: ##Vote: -_-Quails" I will post a bigger post after getting to the end | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Hit that? ![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/derp.jpg) Poll: Do you want to hit that? Define "hit that" (3) Yes (1) No (0) Since he often trolls day1 and is potentially a valuable town asset likely to die n1or n2, no (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Do you want to hit that? (Vote): Yes If it's a lurker you want to lynch Tyrran might be a good choice. | ||
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