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On January 29 2012 12:36 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.) if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be If he were mafia of course he would know. That's why people are so suspicious of his post, because they see it as a move to try to seem like he's not mafia. Show nested quote +Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me
now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other
that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia
You actually could both be mafia. It is not unheard of for two mafia to go after each other so that once one dies the town "confirms" the other. This is known as bussing, and you can't overlook this as a possibility.
How is this suspicious? I was just asking a question regarding the information mafia have. Sure, I could be mafia asking to look town. Or i could easily be a townie asking the host a question. I really dont see how u can see anything suspicious in that one question.
As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia.
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On January 29 2012 16:38 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 12:47 zelblade wrote:
As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia. Then could I ask you to switch your vote onto Zarepath? We already have 5 on Zarepath and only 2 on Sacred, and we absolutely want to avoid splitting votes between two mafia.
Since it seems like Sacred isnt going to get lynched today I will change my vote for now i guess.
##Unvote: SacredSystem
##Vote: Zarepath
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On January 30 2012 02:04 Simberto wrote:
I think that for today, SacredSystem is not a very good lynch. I also still remain very, very suspicious of zelblade, and would really like to lynch him since so often stuff seems to lead towards him, like this Zarepath case does, too. Basically the moment the second Zarepath case appears, zelblade comes out of lurking and attacks SacredSystem (easy target), quickly reinforced by Zarepath himself.
This, in my opinion, makes the already strong case on zarepath stronger. There are also some more inconsistencies i noticed upon rereading the thread, but this could also be my confirmation bias speaking (which upon rereading day 1 seems to be pretty strong).
For the moment, to avoid falling into the same traps i did on day 1, i will keep my vote on zelblade for overall fishiness, but i won't be the reason the zarepath case fails unless something truly unexpected comes up.
I would also really like our friendly neighbourhood lurkers balt11t, bromancipate and chocolate to both post in this thread and cast their votes.
I didnt attack SS because he was an "easy targert", but because he keeps contradicting himself, dodges many of adams questions, and his posts are also difficult to understand.
As for the coming out of lurking part, I really did have some IRL stuff come up, and I "came out of lurking" before the zarepath case appeared in the first place. Thus this point doesnt make sense and I really dont see what you mean by "stuff leading to me".
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Another thing - going to sleep now. Will also have something on tomorrow, so i might be away from the thread for a period of time. Probably will wake up in time to go through the thread before leaving though.
Saying this so that I dont get called out for "lurking" again.
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Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.
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On January 30 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote:Ehh.... Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so
but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1 Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him. Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS.
I wasnt trying to establish that zarepath didnt attack SS. That post was really goddammed wierd, and I couldnt understand it, and I believed that he might be confusing me and zarepath, and I just asked him to clarify.(which he did)
Really dont see how clarifying about a confusing post that confused me is scummy.
Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him.
This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him.
Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote.
There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches.
I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia.
I think his team did abandon him. And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis. So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this). If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath. Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed. Remember to $$Vote Zelblade
When i posted this post, I was in a rush to go out and didnt have time to read through the thread properly. Only skimmed through the posts after the day post before typing that before going out. I didnt actually see that you had already posted that.
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Just got back from school, catching up on the thread right now.
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On January 31 2012 00:21 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 22:11 zelblade wrote:On January 30 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote:Ehh.... On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so
but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1 Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him. Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS. I wasnt trying to establish that zarepath didnt attack SS. That post was really goddammed wierd, and I couldnt understand it, and I believed that he might be confusing me and zarepath, and I just asked him to clarify.(which he did) Really dont see how clarifying about a confusing post that confused me is scummy. On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him.
This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him.
Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote.
There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches.
I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia.
I think his team did abandon him. And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis. So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this). If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath. On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed. Remember to $$Vote ZelbladeWhen i posted this post, I was in a rush to go out and didnt have time to read through the thread properly. Only skimmed through the posts after the day post before typing that before going out. I didnt actually see that you had already posted that. Clarifying a confusing post is fine. It's the manner in which you did it that is strange. I don't see how that second sentence "I am the one that attacked you, not him" is necessary. All it does is try to clear Zarepath of suspicion (from Sacred at least) And with your post that was "written in haste": Show nested quote +Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. That's a pretty big logical jump you made there. Premise: Almost everyone voted Zarepath. Conclusion. Mafia have little to no thread presence. Its too big to be an oversight caused to due hastiness. This oversight is because you are working off already existing ideas (namely mine) and thus felt no need to explain your thinking process. Anyways I am dead set against you and you will be next up for lynch. Day 1 info was good enough for me to lynch you and this new stuff isn't clearing you at all. Remember guys $$Vote Zelblade
I really dont see how that one statement is scummy at all. That post was, as said really bloody confusing and i dont see in any way how it is strange. The 2nd sentance is just an explanation I believed that he had made a mistake. You seriously are reading too much into this and I am in no way trying to push away suspision from zarepath.
As for the 2nd part, I was already thinking that the lynch seemed really easy with basically little to no defence whilst i was sleeping, and I thought that it might be a mislynch due to the lack of defence. When he flipped scum, I simply came to the conclusion that the remaining mafia probably arent very infulential in the thread. Could have typed that out, but as i said, I was in a rush.
I seriously think that you are tunneling me at this point.
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The case of simbertoe is pretty interesting and i think that it raises alot of valid points. From memory, it seems like he is the one constantly attempting to push for my lynch the most, but never actually making an actual case except for his day 1 case on me and a few others. (cant remember who at this point, will look later) Besides, he seems to always make cases that hang on my "scumniness". At first I thought that it could just be him tunneling me due to my pretty bad day 1 posting, but it seems a litte suspicious.
As for my reads (Stupid timezones cant post before nightpost =/)
Bromancipate - Dont think that he is scum due to his good posts.
SacredSystem - Already explained why I think he is scum in my day 2 case, still hasnt stepped up yet, posts still unclear.
Chocolate - No idea due to inactivity, voted rather late for zarepath, could be mafia if SS/simbertoe doesnt flip red.
DoYouHas - Claimed shot, no counterclaim. Excellent posting and started the zarepath lynch.
CosmosXAM - First to push zarepath (day1), dont think he is scum.
Adam4167 - Pushes SS who i believe is scum, posts make sense.
Simberto - Explained (briefly). Will go through his filter in a bit and make a proper analysis.
slOosh - Active, good posting, though I believe he is probably tunneling me =(
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Alright took a look at simberto's filter. The points DYH makes are valid. Besides me and the lurkers(which are easy to attack without providing much reasoning), he has never pushed any1 else, and even with me, not made a strong case at all and pushed it. I think that DYH has summed up very well why Simberto is likely to flip scum.
Also one thing that I feel is wierd:
Simberto
Just one thing i wanted to say: DoYouHas claiming having been shot at does not make him 100% town, even without a counterclaim. It could be a mafia ploy to get someone 100% trusted by not shooting at all. I don't think that this is what happened (it sounds pretty far-fetched), but one should still keep the possibility at the back of ones head.
It seems like he is attempting to be casting doubt onto DYH at this point. I understand this is a minor point, but i feel that it is really wierd.
Anyway, I do think that it is likely that Simberto will flip scum. SS (or maybe chocolate) is probably the last scum.
##vote: Simberto
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On February 01 2012 06:17 SacredSystem wrote:Now i believe zelblade is mafia, in his attacks on me he is his very defensive and critical of my attacks on zarepath, his analysis felt far more emotional then logical, Capitalized bold letters, double question marks, the use of logic that isnt logical, and this omggg how could you think that defense
My analysis wasnt "emotional". The only capitalized bold letters are a "you", I dont see any double question marks, I dont see you pointing out anything in my analysis that "isnt logical", the "omgggg how could you think that defense" is referring to your OMGUS (in which you attack him because he feels that you are suspisious and for no other reason whatsover) of chocolate. Stop fabricating bullshit that isnt true.
Also just the very notion that you furiously defended someone that fliped red insta makes you a prime suspect. Then on top of that after zarepath was proven mafia you acted like you were all on board with it
When the hell have I "furiously defended" him? I had made it clear after the case DYH posted that he seemed scummy and that I was suspisious of him, but moreso on you. Please point out an instance in which I defend him. Cant understand "acted like you were all on board on it".
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 17:33 zelblade wrote:On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie. As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time. Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time? I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia. notice how he says Show nested quote +
I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia he was mafia but that didnt seem to change your mind
I did say that I prefer lynching you over zarepath because I had a stronger scum read on you, and this was before the DYH case. I am not really sure about that last sentence of yours, but i shall assume (correct me if I am wrong), that you are talking about my "if zarepath = red SS prolly = green" part, I did think so at that point in time but I still am getting a scum feel off you, and as DYH has said;
DoYouHas
I feel the need to walk back my defense of SacredSystem a bit. In day2 I was very quick to defend him as he was an early supporter of my analysis. I was looking for things that would let me channel voting towards zarepath. I think that is very clear to everyone. However, after getting zarepath lynched I have looked more closely at the case Adam presented and now Bromancipate. This, on top of the fact that a unanimous vote means support of my analysis and the zarepath lynch are no longer good standards for innocence, makes me retract my earlier defense of SacredSystem. I am going to take advantage of night2 to really look into SacredSystem for myself. Also, I'm going to try and analyze zelblade's day2 posts since we seem to be focusing on his day1 issues a little too much.
I now dont believe that the zarepath flip clears you at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. ja hahah, except you! You were the one defending him
As stated, I wasnt defending him.
tldr
adam
zelblade
zelblade seems scared, look how he gave himself away with his aggression on me and his defense of his buddy zarepath
also be careful zelblade, you kill me and i flip green, which i will, you are dead the very next day
vote: zelbalde
I am not scared, and I didnt "give myself away" with my attacks on you and non-exsistent defense of my so-called buddy. Dont worry, you will be lynched next after simberto flips red. And even if you are somehow town (highly highly doubt so), no scum in their right mind would shoot you, since you are doing an excellent job pushing their agenda for them.
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On February 01 2012 21:46 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 16:46 slOosh wrote:Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game. On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.
There are nine players in the game. He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine). Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line. He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind. So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads???With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate. This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be). Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia. It's not that I don't think there are two mafia left, of course there are. I just don't KNOW who the second one is. I also think the main reason that someone would suddenly be on simberto's case just after night ends would be if he had investigated him, which is good evidence on top of some of his posting.
Im quite sure what slOosh is pointing out here (correct me if im wrong) is not that you dont think that there are two mafia left, but rather that you dont seem to be actively scumhunting, and that you went into the 2nd night with no mafia reads, and only felt that simberto was mafia after the night. His point here is this - If you are town, why havent you been scumhunting? As such, he suspects that you are mafia as you already know who scum are, and thus dont need to look through the thread in order to find out who is scum - causing you to not have any actual reads.
And wtf do you mean with the 2nd sentance? Are you saying that one of the people who quickly jumped onto simberto day 3 is the DT? (I am assuming that you are refering to a DT check when you say "investigated".
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On February 01 2012 18:12 Simberto wrote:
Also, i hate to be the one pointing this out, but has CosmosXAM completely vanished?
No he hasnt. Look a few posts above yours and you will see that he has posted a few hours before you.
On February 01 2012 12:16 CosmosXAM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something. Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise. Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode. I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him. ##Vote ChocolateOne thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of ThemSo I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later) Interesting points, after reading a lot of previous posts I think that my new top three that might be mafia (I know there is only two left) would have to be chocolate simberto zelblade though I doubt both simberto and zelblade would be mafia together, still not even close to 100% on any of these so i think I will hold my vote off for a bit.
I dont think that leaving the thread for a few hours = "completely vanished". Stop trying to redirect attention of yourself.
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Gosh.
SS switch your vote please. As choc has alrdy pointed out we rly need a lynch today and since it doesn't seem like I will be lynched, switch your vote to either sombrero or choc. We still need 5 to lynch. Don't waste your vote voting for someone who isn't likely to be lynched. And you keep mentioning that I defended zarepath when I have already stated that I wasn't and asked you to point out an instance when I did so. instead you just skip over my response to your case. How convenient.
Posting this from phone, on the way to school. Probably can check back before lynch.
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Well that was unexpected. Need to take a good look at the thread later.
Wont mind a 24 hr day.
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Will be busy for the rest of the night and as such wont be able to post till day starts tomorrow.
Suspicious of both SS and chocolate at this point. Will elaborate on my suspisions tomorrow since I need to go off now, and will not be on a computer for a while.
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Nice we won :D
Sorry for playing so badly. Apparently it isn't a gpod idea to play forum mafia in the middle of the school term when I have exams near =/
And lol @ I and ss tunneling each other all day. Any tips on how I could get better? That was pretty fun even tho I sucked and would love to play again when I have more free time.
Thanks to dreamflower and qatol for hosting, and everyone else for the great game :D
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On February 03 2012 21:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, its a big time commitment, best done when youre on holidays.
Make sure you reread the entire thread after each person is flipped each day and night, factoring in their now-revealed alignment.
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Always question what someones motive is, why are they doing something.
Same advice that was passed to me after my first game, get more aggressive, youll get what your looking for a lot faster. Either youll figure out theyre town, like i did with SS, or youll figure out theyre mafia, like with Chocolate.
Thanks for the advice 
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