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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I am having a somewhat difficult time convincing myself that layabout is scum. He didn't care about the day1 lynch as much as I think he did in Student Mafia and then this post seems scummy to me. He also hides a lot of his analysis away in spoilers, he always does this but I think it's been really bad this game like he's ashamed or like he's trying to hide instead of being KICKASS and wanting everybody to listen to him like he did in Student Mafia. In Student Mafia he had a good analysis on xtfftc that he didn't hide in spoilers, in this game he hid his [UoN]Sentinel analysis in spoilers and also some stuff on me that I actually missed the first time around. In his favor is a lot of activity, but then he's always ALWAYS active. Now one's gone insane. You tend to have that effect on people. LSB seems to have kept his focus all game long, becoming a bit flustered in the face of your accusations, and in the end, with all the effort he's put into the game he hasn't done anything townie. He pushed a plan which I think was terrible and he pushed a lynch which I think was bad. LSB is supposed to be good and stuff. He could easily be scum. Maybe it's just that it seems too easy that you just out 4 scum on day2. Also, you can't extort me because you know I'm town. I'll help you with your lynches but you may need to give a little more than "VisceraEyes traded LSB traded layabout traded risk.nuke traded me, and thusly they're all scum" at some point. Mostly just to satisfy my curiosity. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:07 prplhz wrote: It's just that this is a no-flip closed setup, it's crazy to think of a plan and even considering to enforce it, and there could be scum trade-riggers and cowboys and nothing is gained from blindly policy lynching people who wouldn't follow the plan. Making huge plans that prevents content generation seems ludicrous to me in a no-flip setup where analysis is all that we have. I have no idea why Jackal58 thinks you're town based solely on your being against a plan, when the plan was crazy from the beginning and this worries me along with the weird VP he received from Dirkzor. I haven't read Dirkzor very heavily though. It really has nothing to do with his being against the plan. It has all to do with the way he flat out rejected the plan. It is attitude not content that has me convinced he's town. I don't remember which game it was but I proposed a late game plan that would have forced the remaining scum in the game to either agree to being lynched or outing themselves. Our dear cowboy Palmar rejected the plan outright. He was town. He was lynched I believe. But his rejection was the same tone and attitude he used in this game. Scummy Palmar has no balls like that. Townie Palmar is a fucking cowboy. We got us a townie Palmar. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Also, this is really post-game stuff I'm talking about, I'm not trying to arouse suspicion against Palmar. He's town alright. I'm just curious. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Which is why my emotional, theatrical, arrogant and aggressive town play makes my scum play one of the weakest on TL. It's so easy to tell when I'm in the zone as a townie. And respectively, that's also why for example our dear Jackal58 is impossible to figure out as scum, because he always posts in a very straightforward matter-of-fact manner that allows him to make very little distinction between his scum and town play. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
On January 31 2012 19:41 prplhz wrote: Killing people isn't about who has this or that many votes, it's about hitting scum. Doesn't matter how many votes they have then. Point taken. On January 31 2012 21:09 Palmar wrote: yeah, what's better? living scum with 4 votes or dead scum with 4 votes? This is rhetorical. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
What i find weird about LSB is that he have fairly active in the beginning. Then Palmar started to accuse him and he have posted less and less and the stuff he have been posting have made little sense. The typo thing is just weird in my opinion. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 01 2012 01:43 Dirkzor wrote: My VP is not weird from my perspective. I genuinly think Jackal is town this game. I still think that and his last post just pointed me even more in that direction. What i find weird about LSB is that he have fairly active in the beginning. Then Palmar started to accuse him and he have posted less and less and the stuff he have been posting have made little sense. The typo thing is just weird in my opinion. Isn't that the same reason we lynched bugs? Lots of posts up until a short while after voting me where he just shuts up? Right now I'm looking through LSB's filter, and most of his posts were either: 1) "Support my plan instead of the circle jerk" (and "then okay nevermind support my NEW plan instead") 2) "Lynch [UoN]Sentinel" Night 1 passed, and he went on to talk about voting patterns, going back to his plan. Then that passed since we haven't gotten to Day 3 yet. The "Lynch Sentinel" campaign died down, at least for now, so unless he's got some serious beef with me that's gone. Then come the posts that don't make sense which ends in a justification of lynching VisceraEyes. So what does that leave LSB to talk about? | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
He could also point out why we shouldn't shoot him - if we have a bullet. Same goes for Lay but he have gone insane anyway. If you read page 14-15 with palmars scum team in mind it looks kinda agenda-pushing. VE, LSB and lay (and WBG) talk about circletrading. LSB put forth his plan and they all seem to agree its very good. Others also agreed it looks good (Jackal, Node, Meat, Sentinel) so I don't how usefull it is. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Secondly, Townies in my head: Palmar - Stop being a dick, I've PMed the mods about it. There's aggressive play and then there's dickish play. You're doing the latter. Paperscape LSB Scums in my head: Dirkzor Layabout ??? Reading back on day one and taking into account VE's horrible day two claim, it's pretty obvious that VE was probably mafia. My notes on VE go: pounched at palmar's probably baiting posts…scummy? Will have to see weird un-vote of palmar. This post stands out to me as scummy, will have to see more. "I'm going to be honest - I'm also starting to think Palmar is town, but it's not based on a belief that I think he's acting scummy to test reactions. It could be, but that's not why. I think Palmar is town based almost exclusively on the fact that scummy players like Paperscraps are defending the way he's playing." Weird votes/unvotes on palamr/paper. Votes but then doesn't ramp pressure, unvotes when pressured himself on votes. Possibly scummy.Ok to lynch him or layabout[see layabout] They were pretty easy to see just by pure filter, one doesn't even need to really read them in context. layabout's wavering on lynching VE and his lively defense on him makes me very suspicious of him. Extremely scummy. I am unsure of VE's alignment. He started supporting the plan and calling you scummyhere (clicky) . He then completely abandoned the plan and his accusations against you because "scum could gain a vote through circle trading" and therefore "circle trading" was bad and you were not scummy for opposing it, i felt that this was a weak reason, (though it turns out not supporting "circle jerking" is probably a much better stance). He then got involved in more discussion about plas and such, then presented a case against paperscraps. He points out several things paperscraps has done that are anti-town and votes for him. He claimed to have not realised how long we had left and apologises. He then unvotes paperscraps for a few reasons: 1) He doesn't think he will convince anyone 2) He thinks that Paperscraps suggesting a no-lynch would be a dumb thing for scum so he is more likely town than he had previously thought. 3) He wants to go back and read more filters.. Then he hammers WBG. He says he sent a vote to LSB. He claims to have been hit during the night. This part in particular from layabout's posts is a very very weak defense of VE. I wrote on Day 1 "3) Aside from them, layabout also does the "write a long post about nothing" and then later on when the vote trading topic had died down a bit, brings it up again while bringing nothing new to the discussion." and I wish I had written more but the trend so far for layabout has been a noncommital and slight derailment of conversation followed by his sketchy defense of VE. While I do admit that it IS possible he actually does feel this way, it is more likely that his latest posts are a last minute defense of a scummy VE and is, in my opinion, scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:57 Palmar wrote: I disagree, I don't think I've been a dick at all. So I'm not going to change a thing. Doesn't matter what you think. I've pmed the mods about it, it's up to them now. Do whatever you want, it's good play. It's also dickish play and I won't stand for that. Also, I've relooked at LSB's posts and reconsidered but if it's a choice between layabout and LSB, I would choose layabout in a heartbeat. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I don't think the latter if that's what you're saying | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Isn't that the same reason we lynched bugs? Lots of posts up until a short while after voting me where he just shuts up? Right now I'm looking through LSB's filter, and most of his posts were either: 1) "Support my plan instead of the circle jerk" (and "then okay nevermind support my NEW plan instead") 2) "Lynch [UoN]Sentinel" Night 1 passed, and he went on to talk about voting patterns, going back to his plan. Then that passed since we haven't gotten to Day 3 yet. The "Lynch Sentinel" campaign died down, at least for now, so unless he's got some serious beef with me that's gone. Then come the posts that don't make sense which ends in a justification of lynching VisceraEyes. So what does that leave LSB to talk about? The only reason the lynch Sentinel campaign died down was because there was more important things for the town to focus on, ie VE. (Of course, you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, but I am still wary about the VE lynch and I wonder why he sacrificed himself so easily.) I still think you are scum. You have done nothing but parrot what Palmar has been saying. And you have commented less on the day 2 lynch than I have, an extreamly, safe suspicious play. You say that you think "laybout is scum", but your initial post is just a parrot of a "mafia list" put with little reasoning. Lets say the honest truth. There was no scum hunting done day 2. All that happened day two was a bunch of yelling "LSB is scum! Because all he did was talk about plans... oh and [UoN]Sentinal... oh and did stuff with the lynch... oh and... w/e lynch him", and "laybout is scum because LSB sent him his votes!". | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I have respect for players who I think are good but that doesn't mean if they don't agree with me or see things my way that they are immediately scummy. There have been many times that I have disagreed with other good townie players and is to be expected. In my opinion, Layabout on day 1 was less scummy than dirkzor or VE. It was only his posting on day two that pushed him into extremely scummy. So I can understand LSB's justification for giving him a vote. | ||
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