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On February 01 2012 05:30 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:25 Paperscraps wrote:On February 01 2012 04:30 chaoser wrote:On February 01 2012 04:25 Dirkzor wrote:
The reason I did not want to vote was to not give someone else the oppotunity to hammer. I wanted the day to last longer and posted about that later aswell. That post you quoted about me criticizing VE was a post to Lay not VE.
I also can't see why I was non-committal. I said I found VE way mroe scummy then Palmar and would put my vote on him - but didnt due to hammer mechanic. You yourself stated only that you didn't want to hammer the vote even though your vote wouldn't have hammered. This added reason of "I did not want to vote because I didn't want SOMEONE ELSE to hammer" was not mentioned then and so I can not willingly believe this point since it has only just now been introduced. You are reaching. I did the same thing. I pulled my vote on VE because the votes on VE were nearing majority. I didn't want someone to accidentally hammer, like layabout did. Side note: When quoting it is nice to have the name at the top of the quote to see who is saying what.
On February 01 2012 05:15 chaoser wrote:On February 01 2012 05:09 risk.nuke wrote:
LSB was palmars target when VE played his crazy move which to me seems to have been made out of desperation. That makes LSB look really bad.
On other accounts I view both LSB and Layabout as just about the same.
*Alot of act, little under the hood.
*Questionable behavior. But palmar's only real argument against LSB is that he gave his vote to layabout. When compared to what layabout has done and posted, I don't think it's the same condemning thing at all. Possibilites for VE's actions: 1. VE sacrificed himself for LSB. 2. VE is telling the truth and was hit by a vig. Note: vig has not come forward. 3. VE is telling the truth and was hit by mafia, thus Palmar is fake-claiming a hit in some elaborate mafia scheme to become virtually confirmed town. 4. VE just decided to start trolling out of nowhere. I differ to occam's razor here. are you serious?
Mind expanding on that question?
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Possibilites for VE's actions:
1. VE sacrificed himself for LSB.
2. VE is telling the truth and was hit by a vig. Note: vig has not come forward.
3. VE is telling the truth and was hit by mafia, thus Palmar is fake-claiming a hit in some elaborate mafia scheme to become virtually confirmed town.
4. VE just decided to start trolling out of nowhere.
I differ to occam's razor here. \
Right, I'm relooking at the event right now. Even if it is 1 though it doesn't really explain the point of the sacrifice. Why would VE sacrifice himself for LSB (assuming they're teammates)? Just because LSB is "off the table" for one day doesn't mean he'll be "off the table" the next day. The non-clarity of the situation isn't making me very confident. What do you think about LSB v layabout?
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VE may have sacrificed, because LSB is a PR mafia, while VE was vanilla mafia. I agree that it is a bit strange, but the late hit cc, which changed to a hit cc and role claim doesn't sit right with me either.
layabout seems to have given up to an extent. If I was really town I would fight to the bitter end.
LSB isn't pushing for his balancing mechanism which we has adamant about earlier. The whole game he has been pushing his plans, but now that he is under the gun he hasn't said anything very coherent.
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On January 31 2012 23:07 prplhz wrote:It's just that this is a no-flip closed setup, it's crazy to think of a plan and even considering to enforce it, and there could be scum trade-riggers and cowboys and nothing is gained from blindly policy lynching people who wouldn't follow the plan. Making huge plans that prevents content generation seems ludicrous to me in a no-flip setup where analysis is all that we have. I have no idea why Jackal58 thinks you're town based solely on your being against a plan, when the plan was crazy from the beginning and this worries me along with the weird VP he received from Dirkzor. I haven't read Dirkzor very heavily though. I am having a somewhat difficult time convincing myself that layabout is scum. He didn't care about the day1 lynch as much as I think he did in Student Mafia and then this post seems scummy to me. He also hides a lot of his analysis away in spoilers, he always does this but I think it's been really bad this game like he's ashamed or like he's trying to hide instead of being KICKASS and wanting everybody to listen to him like he did in Student Mafia. In Student Mafia he had a good analysis on xtfftc that he didn't hide in spoilers, in this game he hid his [UoN]Sentinel analysis in spoilers and also some stuff on me that I actually missed the first time around. In his favor is a lot of activity, but then he's always ALWAYS active. Now one's gone insane. You tend to have that effect on people. LSB seems to have kept his focus all game long, becoming a bit flustered in the face of your accusations, and in the end, with all the effort he's put into the game he hasn't done anything townie. He pushed a plan which I think was terrible and he pushed a lynch which I think was bad. LSB is supposed to be good and stuff. He could easily be scum. Maybe it's just that it seems too easy that you just out 4 scum on day2. Also, you can't extort me because you know I'm town. I'll help you with your lynches but you may need to give a little more than "VisceraEyes traded LSB traded layabout traded risk.nuke traded me, and thusly they're all scum" at some point. Mostly just to satisfy my curiosity.
Final attempt at explaining my posts:
When i replaced into student mafia as town, the town players had established their innocence quite clearly and xtfftc had acted in a way that strongly suggested to me that he was scum. It was easy for me to have a read and to push it with confidence. I got to skip day 1  .
In Purgatory (i was scum, in a 3 team setup) it didn't particularly matter what the alignment of the players i was posting cases against were because i knew they were not on my team and i needed blues and angels to die. Because of this i provided some analysis and some forced analysis to lynch players. Despite this on day 1 i still tried to use the lynch to kill a lurker because i did not expect the lynch to be successful.
This game i have been met with many townies not showing that they are town, unsupported accusations and very little behaviour to analyse. On day 1 there havd been very minimal lynch discussion when i had to leave the thread, and I had almost exclusively town and null reads. So i just got rid of the greener reads, picked someone that i felt was pushing bad ideas and that could be lynched and voted for them. This was sentinel, and my lack of confidence is why i did not push him. I still do not have much confidence in my reads, and given the lack of scumhunting, it seems to me that very few people are, if you are town you are to blame for this and you need to improve your posting.
Please read my posts and look at what i am saying. Do not immediately look for reasons why i might be town or scum. Look at what i say, place it in context and then draw conclusions. When look at somebodies post's try to evaluate them without trying to force the alignment you want them to be on them, if you convince yourself that someone is scum/town that bias will ruin your ability to analyse accurately.
+ Show Spoiler [aren't spoilers just wonderful?] +should i post an empty looking list of reads before i go?
I will not post much tomorrow as i have IRL commitments
I am still only giving away 1 vote
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Also currently LSB has 2 votes and layabout 5.
If you are under suspicion, then the town thing to do is give all your votes away to your most pro-town read. layabout made it pretty clear he is only going to trade 1 VP. LSB can only trade 1 VP so this point is null for him.
If we lynch LSB tomorrow we will only lose 1 vote.
If we lynch layabout we lose 4 votes, but if we wait to lynch layabout on D4 we only lost 3 votes and get further analysis on layabouts VP trades to find the final scum.
Anyone trading VP to either layabout or LSB is suicide.
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does keeping votes count as sending them to myself?
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On February 01 2012 06:03 layabout wrote:
does keeping votes count as sending them to myself?
Not at all. If you're pretty sure you have a green read on yourself, go ahead and send them.
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EBWOP: I think I said that wrong...
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if you don't give away the votes layabout we'll be forced to lynch you tomorrow, this is because you're quite suspicious and have a lot of votes. Even if we assume both VE and Bugs were town (very unlikely) it's only 4 mafia in 13 people, so that means you have 8 people to look for as town if you somehow happen to be town.
You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you.
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if you keep the votes as town, you're working directly against your win condition.
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On February 01 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
if you don't give away the votes layabout we'll be forced to lynch you tomorrow, this is because you're quite suspicious and have a lot of votes. Even if we assume both VE and Bugs were town (very unlikely) it's only 4 mafia in 13 people, so that means you have 8 people to look for as town if you somehow happen to be town.
You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you.
If you agree with this please say so. Soon.
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On February 01 2012 06:24 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
if you don't give away the votes layabout we'll be forced to lynch you tomorrow, this is because you're quite suspicious and have a lot of votes. Even if we assume both VE and Bugs were town (very unlikely) it's only 4 mafia in 13 people, so that means you have 8 people to look for as town if you somehow happen to be town.
You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you. If you agree with this please say so. Soon.
By your words "I'm parroting Palmar", so might as well live up to your expectations. Agreed.
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I agree. But the fact that you, layabout, can't come to the same conclusion yourself is a damning fact.
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On February 01 2012 06:24 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
if you don't give away the votes layabout we'll be forced to lynch you tomorrow, this is because you're quite suspicious and have a lot of votes. Even if we assume both VE and Bugs were town (very unlikely) it's only 4 mafia in 13 people, so that means you have 8 people to look for as town if you somehow happen to be town.
You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you. If you agree with this please say so. Soon.
I had a town read on you until you buddied up with LSB. If you are town, give your votes away to the towniest player you can. Then you can help us scumhunt tomorrow.
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If you refuse to give your votes away your going to get lynched simple as that. If you're not mafia then you're anti town. So we should lynch you anyway. The balls in your court.
Here's a suggestion don't give your votes to LSB XD
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Palmar im also curious of what you think of MeatlessTaco.
If people could get there input on him i would appreciate it.
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wouldn't you prefer to see my flip?
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On February 01 2012 07:16 layabout wrote:
wouldn't you prefer to see my flip?
We can have the coroner dig you up.
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On February 01 2012 07:18 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 07:16 layabout wrote:
wouldn't you prefer to see my flip? We can have the coroner dig you up.
the coroner that we know exists?
Don't you think it's strange that :
in this game lynched players do not flip.
there was minimal lynch discussion day1 and town rushed the lynch ending in a ??? flip.
there were no night kills.
there were two claims + no scumhunting day2, we lynched a claimant, who flipped ???.
And now there are individuals that are trying to draw conclusions about players based upon their reads of the players that are interacting with them.
Speculating about the set-up and drawing links between players whose alignments we do not and may never know in order to lynch other players is very anti-town.
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