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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
January 30 2012 21:38 GMT
#661
Use the commands in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505#2

##Don't (Action)
##Don't Sendvote: (player)

That should clear out the problem with zbot retaining actions from last night, at least until Zona gets back and works his magic.
:3
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 30 2012 21:45 GMT
#662
Sorry guys. I forgot to give RoL/Forumite the archiver tool with the resolver.

Anyways, All of your previous night actions have been cleared, including any submitted this night cycle before the time of this post. This problem shouldn't happen again.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 22:03 GMT
#663
On January 31 2012 06:34 Palmar wrote:
♥

Layabout should probably be next, seeing he has the most voting power of the scum.

maybe you could provide a shred of reasoning as to why?

So far:

Palmar has called me scum from the game start for no reason.
Sentinel has voted for me whithour giving any reasons.
Paperscraps presented my posting as scummy after i wrote that one of his posts was suspicious.
Prplhz tried to discredit me after the day1 lynch, for responding to questions.

Since it is likely that some or all of you are town, i would like to say that you are all dicks.
(prplhz, maybe you don't belong there, i may take back this "calling you a dick" later)

chaoser wrote this:
"3) Aside from them, layabout also does the "write a long post about nothing" and then later on when the vote trading topic had died down a bit, brings it up again while bringing nothing new to the discussion."

I disagree with this, although i can see why he would say this since i do tend to throw walls of text at the thread.

Hmm..
maybe i do write too much..
nope that's silly, you all just need to write more and explain yourselves thoroughly.

and jay wrote this
On January 31 2012 05:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
Scumteam:
1) Palmar or ViceraEyes
2) jaybrundage
3) Meatless taco
4) sentinel
5) jackal58


4 from that, in any order.
Either Palmar or Vicera is scum due to claims. (them both being town and claiming hits with no NK and 1 scum KP is extremely unlikely)
None of these players has looked very town to me.

Wait does this mean that im confirmed town then if scum is pointing fingers at me :D

I was curious about meatless taco as well was fingering him as the last scum. But i guess that this disproves it : (

I think the jackal one is just odd.

I have had a town read on sentinel since day one tbh and obviously palmar is town
Which also calls me scum for no reason.

There is nothing off substance that suggests i am scum. Get your heads out of your arses.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 22:11:52
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#664
Cleared a few minutes ago.

Send me a PM if you want to know what nightactions are logged for you in zbot.
:3
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
January 30 2012 22:21 GMT
#665
Well to get the night discussion going i have a few thoughts. Based on last night's actions palmar is likely to live again. Given that he is town, palmar will likely receive a lot of votes. Which is a concern for me. After day three palmar will have to give away a bunch of votes to someone else. Since nobody else is confirmed town yet, this presents a problem. Granted more information is sure to be revealed tomorrow, will another confirmed townie be revealed? Right now we need to decide if we want palmar to have enough votes to hammer by himself tomorrow or keep vp spread out a bit. Enabling one player to hammer is bad idea, now that i think of it. Essentially this nullifies any thoughts the rest of the town has and the town's influence as a whole, which is bad. No one person should be in control of the game, even the cowboy palmar.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
MeatlessTaco
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States302 Posts
January 30 2012 22:22 GMT
#666
On January 30 2012 23:55 layabout wrote:



LSB:
I think that lynching LSB would be very stupid. He has made more sense than most of the rest of you combined. If you read his posts it's clear that he felt that transfering 2 votes would help with re-balancing, so him supporting and then doing that is not scummy at all, unless of course you believe the entire plan was just to get town to give votes to scum but if you thought that you had many opportunities to say it, since we we so late starting lynch discussion.



Do you stand by this read of LSB?
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 22:23 GMT
#667
On January 31 2012 07:22 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 23:55 layabout wrote:



LSB:
I think that lynching LSB would be very stupid. He has made more sense than most of the rest of you combined. If you read his posts it's clear that he felt that transfering 2 votes would help with re-balancing, so him supporting and then doing that is not scummy at all, unless of course you believe the entire plan was just to get town to give votes to scum but if you thought that you had many opportunities to say it, since we we so late starting lynch discussion.



Do you stand by this read of LSB?

SOOOOOO hard.
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MeatlessTaco
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States302 Posts
January 30 2012 22:35 GMT
#668
On January 31 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
Scumteam:
1) Palmar or ViceraEyes
2) jaybrundage
3) Meatless taco
4) sentinel
5) jackal58


4 from that, in any order.
Either Palmar or Vicera is scum due to claims. (them both being town and claiming hits with no NK and 1 scum KP is extremely unlikely)
None of these players has looked very town to me.



You called me out on Day 1. I still gave you a vote because I was worred Palmar might be playing us. You still think I'm mafia. Even ignoring myself being on it, this list doesn't make as much sense as Palmar's
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 30 2012 22:38 GMT
#669
My view of lsb is pretty much 2 things.

*Spending a bunch of time to come up with a plan that first of all was actually obvious. I thought about it ten seconds after I saw vote-trading and I'm sure everyone who gave this game any attention thought about this fairly instantly (yes I'm talking about circle-trading) He made a few minor tweaks with it. Nevertheless the plan ultimatly favored scum bigtime.

*Yabbing long chucnks of texts repeating what other people have said in attempts to look pro-town

What he got going for him is he sent me a vote and despite his efforts to appear pro-town nobody gave him any votes. I would think if a scum tried to look pro-town it would give his buddies an excuse to give him a vote but this didn't happen.

Opinion: Orange
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 22:39 GMT
#670
On January 31 2012 07:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
Scumteam:
1) Palmar or ViceraEyes
2) jaybrundage
3) Meatless taco
4) sentinel
5) jackal58


4 from that, in any order.
Either Palmar or Vicera is scum due to claims. (them both being town and claiming hits with no NK and 1 scum KP is extremely unlikely)
None of these players has looked very town to me.



You called me out on Day 1. I still gave you a vote because I was worred Palmar might be playing us. You still think I'm mafia. Even ignoring myself being on it, this list doesn't make as much sense as Palmar's

You are only on that list because you have not provided enough content for me to look at and conclude that you are town. That was why i mentioned you as "least green" day 1, it was still the case on day2.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 30 2012 22:46 GMT
#671
here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes.

If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them.
Computer says mafia
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 22:46 GMT
#672
On January 31 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote:
here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes.

If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them.

What a pile of shit
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 30 2012 22:51 GMT
#673
I agree, potential lynch targets should give away as many votes as they can. That's the pro-town thing to do. They only reason to refuse this is if you would want to use your votes as leverage against lynching you.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 22:53 GMT
#674
If you are stupid enough to lynch me you do not deserve my votes.
Since i am town i don't much like the thought of giving away 4 votes so i will not.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 30 2012 22:54 GMT
#675
On January 31 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote:
here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes.

If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them.


I like this idea. It was basically the intent of the plan, people with lots of votes -> people with not lots of votes. Then again LSB can only give away 1 vote. And prp has to give away 1 by law, but it would be nice (and paint him greener) to give away more than that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#676
On January 31 2012 07:46 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote:
here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes.

If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them.

What a pile of shit


No I mean, I'm basically confirmed town.

I am willing to reconsider, and giving your votes away to someone who looks town with good reasoning will help your cause.
Computer says mafia
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 23:01 GMT
#677
On January 31 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:46 layabout wrote:
On January 31 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote:
here's the deal. Layabout and LSB must give away as many votes as they can. They can pick the receiver themselves. No one can give them any votes.

If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them.

What a pile of shit


No I mean, I'm basically confirmed town.

I am willing to reconsider, and giving your votes away to someone who looks town with good reasoning will help your cause.

And providing any analysis whatsoever would mean you would have a case rather than fuck all.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 30 2012 23:20 GMT
#678
layabout: Lets assume you're town. Why would you not want to do what's best for town?
You're stance is if town makes a mistake and mislynches you then town should be further punished. Do you think you're Bill Murray or something? Do you understand the problem with your stance? Do you understand why It's bad for town in itself?

Now let's expand the thoughtbubble.

Lets assume Palmar isn't just bluffing to get you to trade away your votes before we kill you. What if he actually wont push you because you're now a minimal threat. This will let you to stay in the game, do you understand what that means? You can continue to offer your thoughts and try to be an asset to town and you'll be alive and you can help town avoid a mislynch 100%. Isn't that alot better then stubbornly taking a pro-scum stance and getting mislynched.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#679
On January 31 2012 08:20 risk.nuke wrote:
layabout: Lets assume you're town. Why would you not want to do what's best for town?
You're stance is if town makes a mistake and mislynches you then town should be further punished. Do you think you're Bill Murray or something? Do you understand the problem with your stance? Do you understand why It's bad for town in itself?

Now let's expand the thoughtbubble.

Lets assume Palmar isn't just bluffing to get you to trade away your votes before we kill you. What if he actually wont push you because you're now a minimal threat. This will let you to stay in the game, do you understand what that means? You can continue to offer your thoughts and try to be an asset to town and you'll be alive and you can help town avoid a mislynch 100%. Isn't that alot better then stubbornly taking a pro-scum stance and getting mislynched.

Because i hate you guys.

No-one has made any attempt to put together anything resembling an argument or case as to why my behaviour makes me likely to be scum.

I put in quite a lot of effort and i am sickened that people who are lurking, being stupid or not providing reasoning for their calls and actions think it's okay to call me scum and not say why.

It is bad play. I would rather make good decisions and lose than make bad decisions and get lucky.

I think that if you bother to read my posts, and try to evaluate them fairly and in context, it should be blindingly obvious that they were written with towns best interests in mind.

I do not think that i am a good lynch candidate. (it should be obvious but, if there was a case that made me look red then i would admit that i was a good candidate and argue against it, instead there is nothing and from a neutral standpoint i am a bad lynch target)

As a town player i should not be giving away 4 votes to a player that i am not sure is town, or player that i think will use those votes to lynch a town player, or a player that i think will give those votes away stupidly.

risk.nuke and LS are my two strongest town reads.
I disagree with you on most things and Palmar is trying to paint LSB red by using the word "scum" repeatedly.
What would you do in my position?

What is even worse is that lynching me is stupid as there will not be a flip and you will be unable to realise the error of your ways.

tldr: I am town
I am a bad lynch
I have votes
I am keeping them
You guys need to think
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 30 2012 23:44 GMT
#680
Wait...wtf...how did day end already? Didn't Night 1 end just last night? I'm confused...I just got back home ;_;
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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