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On January 27 2012 19:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 19:22 Paperscraps wrote:
After Night 1 I am all for doing something else. We will have more information, due to the possibility of power roles. Power roles will be able to be 100% percent sure on things and lead town to lynches and pro-town reads. After Night 1 your plan is sound. This. I don't get why people are convinced they'd have to circlejerk until the end of the universe if we go with the plan. I just want a one or two night circlejerk, get information out, and then start voting appropriately.
You're allowed an opinion, even if it's wrong.
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whatever, I don't have the energy to argue with dumb.
I will not be following whatever plan you guys cook up. I will be following my own plan.
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And stop bringing up the no-flip thing. There's definitely some coroner type roles around this game.
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No, common sense.
I know you wouldn't recognize it, so just take my word for it.
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The difference between finding mafia to lynch and finding townie to pass your vote to is night and day. Remember, if you just randomize it, you still have 70% chance of hitting a townie. Add in even a tiny bit of thinking and that percentage goes up.
When you're trying to lynch scum it's the opposite, and you will be influenced by outside factors (it's harder to get wagons started on scum). However, this is your decision and your decision alone, so you have complete control over the outcome.
There is no such thing as safe play in mafia. It's not safe to do the circle of trust because we don't know what abilities the mafia has, and we cannot possibly gain an advantage through that method. With no advantage we don't know how the game is balanced.
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On January 28 2012 04:24 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:
The difference between finding mafia to lynch and finding townie to pass your vote to is night and day. Remember, if you just randomize it, you still have 70% chance of hitting a townie. Add in even a tiny bit of thinking and that percentage goes up.
When you're trying to lynch scum it's the opposite, and you will be influenced by outside factors (it's harder to get wagons started on scum). However, this is your decision and your decision alone, so you have complete control over the outcome.
There is no such thing as safe play in mafia. It's not safe to do the circle of trust because we don't know what abilities the mafia has, and we cannot possibly gain an advantage through that method. With no advantage we don't know how the game is balanced. "I just chose at random" This justification completely negates what your plan is trying to do, which is to get scumtells from peoples justification on their trades. Another contradiction By your logic and probability, townies should trade their votes at random N1, ~70% chance to trade to another townie. So, which one is it Palmar? Free trade + justifications or randomized trading. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
whatever, I don't have the energy to argue with dumb.
I will not be following whatever plan you guys cook up. I will be following my own plan. This is so anti-town. Solidarity is crucial, not dissidence. You are forcing the town to do one of two things, follow you or lynch you. Seems like a scummy power play to me. ##Vote: Palmar
You're not helping anyone with that. You're just being dumb. Seeing as you're probably town you're working directly against your win condition.
I didn't suggest anyone randomized, I was just pointing out what a great starting point we had even if we simply randomed. Don't try to see things that aren't there.
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On January 28 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
does anybody know why prplhz has voted for wherebugsgo?
Nope, don't think it's a terrible vote though
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On January 28 2012 12:44 Node wrote:
Palmar said that RNGing our votes would still leaving us with a great starting point. Are you kidding me!? That's nearly a third of our spent votes that never leaves mafia hands. That's the key here. Every mistake is irreversible. But it doesn't go both ways! Mafia will never give votes to town unless we force them to from the very beginning. Town only has votes to lose. It DOESN'T MATTER how good we are at giving votes to town players compared to the effectiveness of the circle jerk -- because with the circle jerk, we don't lose ground. But without the circle jerk, we don't have any ground to gain!
The reason the circle jerk is a good plan is that it forces the mafia to play our game. In order to gain an advantage vote-wise, the mafia has to make a choice. Do they kill purely to retain votes? Or do they try to kill strong town players and snipe blues? They only have one KP every night. If I was the mafia, I know which one I'd consider more important.
The vote count is public, all townies just claim where and why they gave the votes. If votes are unaccounted for, we need to figure out why.
Seriously, are you this dumb? Or are you scum.
In other news, much more than the current wagons, I'd wanna lynch layabout, bugs, maybe visceraeyes.
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Ok, in that case everyone needs to be moving their votes to visceraeyes.
The reason is that I feel like he doesn't actually care at all about this game. He has been completely useless and uncharacteristically diplomatic this game.
Read through his filter, all he has ever done is weigh in on other people opinions. The only case he's actually presented is the one against paperscraps, who looks pretty towny in my opinion. Not to mention he has completely flopped on both his scumreads (paperscraps and myself) which isn't bad, but he has never presented an alternative option.
I think he's by far the most likely person to flip red in today's lynch. Layabout is probably the second most likely.
So yeah
##Vote VisceraEyes
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prplhz, you need to realize I'm right and push this lynch. Sentinel is very unlikely to flip scum.
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##Unvote VisceraEyes
##Vote Wherebugsgo
Due to him being scum, and no one believing me VE is scum.
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why the reservation LSB? Do you not think Bugs will flip le scum?
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I guess it's fair to bugs to tell him why I wanna lynch him.
@Bugs
1. you seem very disinterested in actual scumhunting, and I get the feeling you don't really care much how the day goes.
2. you keep bringing up game mechanics as something central to the discussion. Being a no-flip game is pretty much irrelevant. You're interested in talking about plans and mechanics, but not about who is scum.
3. You have scum read on people I think are town.
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@Node Bugs is really, really good scum, and mediocre town. Which in turn makes it even harder to lynch him as scum because you can not simply call him scum if his reads suck (like you can with top town players like mig, syllo, sandroba, foolish).
You can see his scum play in mini mafia x, and in couples therapy.
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@prplhz 20 mins left in the day, it's hammer time now, not later.
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hammer it node, it's incredibly anti-town not to do it...
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seriously, this lynch is on me, if you don't hammer node, I swear to god I will get you killed this game.
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On January 26 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
The only way I'm going to die this game is if I get shot by scum.
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Do you not have time to play this game jackal or do you just not care about it?
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EPT
