Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia I - Page 2

On December 28 2011 08:42 Dirkzor wrote:
Hi there Cyber! =)

If jay comes back and vote will you vote for him?

Didn't my defence change your mind? You still find me scummy?

On December 28 2011 08:45 Shraft wrote:
They might as well be disinterested townies. That's why lurkers are so god damn annoying...

@Cyber_cheese
Your vote on hyshes does no good. We aren't going to get him lynched unless this thread suddenly becomes a lot more active and we decide to lynch a lurker. What about the case on GiygaS don't you like?

Lurkers... Lurkers are killing us slowly....

On December 28 2011 09:16 Shraft wrote:

Buddying up/defending jay like GiygaS did is scummy regardless of jay's alignment. Even disregarding that, don't you think his switch in mentality toward seph is very scummy? I think it is.

On December 28 2011 11:22 Dirkzor wrote:
What happened to "We should let blues think for themselves!" ?

On December 28 2011 09:45 jaybrundage wrote:
Alright i do not want to get mod killed.

I was thinking about the vote on hyshes. His play is pretty anti town. But thinking about it I dont think a vote on him would be good. He would give us no infomation because he doesnt have a lot of posts. I dont like how we are so spread out. For one thing there is not a easy band wagon to lynch a townie.

Im also a bit worrisome of typing. Reading quickly thru the thread people havent voted for me because i have been rather inactive. I was thinking about Giygas. He defended me because the cases were bad and they were. I was not sure how to think of this. On one hand he could be a townie. Whos trying to defend someone who he doesn't see as scummy. But he can also be mafia who is trying to buddy up to a townie so. Like i did in my last game as mafia. Imma try to reread the cases and see what comes up i dont think that hyshes would be the best vote tho.

Even tho his posting is very poor. (at the same time i have not been doing great either) Imma try to reread and give my voice

On December 29 2011 00:21 Dirkzor wrote:


Why?

Oh lets see. They were both quite active when we discussed policy lynched in the beginning. 2-4 post for each of them with nothing in it. They both did not jump the wagon for seph but tried to push another townie. Cyber FoS' me and Misder voted Jay with very little. They were both ended up voting jay day 1 (not scummy in itself). They both went through day 2 with minimim effort.

We'll start with misder:

On day1 he was decently active. He was pushing and saying it was obvious that Seph was noobtelling. He did try to push the lynch towards Jay and his vote was on Jay. Seems okay? Not jumping the wagon, trying to find another scummy player.

But remember how easy the wagon for seph was going. Both because of us, the town, and seph's own play. Why meddle in that? Why not just push another townie so you can call it a gut read on day 2 with minimum of effort.

His last post bothers me:


What bandwagon? The wandwagon, if it was there, came a few hours before lynch. If you think he wasn't scum if it was this 'easy' why didn't you vote giygas or even hyshes. You said you thought giygas was town - okay. But there was lots of time when you voted. Why not push for hyshes then? Or come back to see if the bandwagon went as easy as you thought?

Cyber_Cheese:

Day 1 activity: Discussing policy lynches. FoS' me with a small case. A handfull of fluff posts so he appears to be active: 1 2 3 4 5

After I picked up Misders Jay push he joins in. His case is short and practicly the same as misder wrote. He later shot down some of jays defence.

Day 2 he comes out with a post attacking myself, Shraft, Jay and Hyshes. Jay is confirmed town. Hyshes is the easiest target in the book and Shraft and myself har the most towniest around - imo. This post isn't really a case but it just appears to add to the discussion again. His logic about that i should be scum if jay was scum i can't follow at all. He say that my vote switching saved jay on day 1... I changed TO jay and came back half a day later and knew it was last time to change my vote. Changed to seph to get a lynch. But by his logic I'm town now?! He voted for me after his case on me.

Then changed to Hyshes - the easy target for scum (assuming hyshes is town)

and in the end changed to Jay. Oh and softdefending giygas here: Soft defending giygaS

So all in all i find them scummy.



Edit before posting: when reading this before posting the case didn't turn out as solid as it was in my head... Posting anyway...

On December 28 2011 10:49 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm here now, I overslept.

My vote on hyshes was a pressure vote, hoping to provoke some kind of reaction or well... anything. I am still suspicious of him. However, I am open to switching to either giygas or jay after skim reading the thread quickly, both are preferable to a no-lynch.

For the record I find giygas more scummy then jay.

On December 28 2011 11:26 Adam4167 wrote:
If I could kill someone right now, it would be hyshes.

Hes given us the least of the 3 current candidates. I think it was giygas that mentioned he pulled out of another game because he was busy, but when I checked that post Here, it sounds as though he pulled out so he could focus more on this game, rather than because of a time constraint.

Jay became a bit more scummy now that hes come back, not one hour after cheese called him out saying he was going to be modkilled soon. That feels to me like hes been reading the thread all along and just lurking among the afkers. And what does he produce? a jump onto the only other wagon going that isnt his -giygas. I cant find too much in jays words that are scummy, but his actions aren't flattering.

Still, id rather hang hyshes because hes at best a null read, at worst a lurking scum. Maybe our fairy godmother vigi can visit jaybrundage tonight (if we have one).

On December 28 2011 11:54 Shraft wrote:
I'm not sure on jay, but I'd rather have a lynch than a no lynch for sure. If we have a vig, he shouldn't shoot tonight. (It's basically trading your shot for another lynch the next day unless we get a successful medic protection. DO NOT SHOOT.)

On December 29 2011 11:11 GiygaS wrote:
Also, why has Cyber_Cheese, a veteran, not been a target for the mafia? My problem right now guys is that we're at LyLo, after tonight we will have 7, if we lynch a town, that's GG right there. If we don't lynch, that's GG right there. We need to broaden our horizons. I urge people to think about the big picture.

On December 29 2011 09:21 Shraft wrote:
@Misder
You said you thought that GiygaS is town. Why? What is wrong with my case on him? How do you explain what ET pointed out in his post on GiygaS's defense?

@Cyber_cheese
Are you willing to vote for GiygaS the next day? Why or why not? If you're not, present a better target.

On December 29 2011 10:34 Shraft wrote:
If you're town and reading this, please take the time to read through my case on GiygaS, his analysis, and ET's post concerning GiygaS's defense. Does his actions converge with those of a townie? Does his "analysis" actually bring something useful to the table? If you answer yes to both of these questions you're either lying or stupid as fuck.

On December 31 2011 12:43 Adam4167 wrote:
GG ^^

On December 31 2011 13:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Something else I feel I need to point out is the belief this town held that mafia don’t put effort into their reads or posts. It’s just not true. We spent HOURS writing single posts and analysis on you guys. I think this post was far and away the best analysis in this game, and look who wrote it; a mafia who knew he was writing about someone town.
I have gained tremendous respect for EchelonTee after this game. For a first gamer to roll mafia and to put on the show that he did, was amazing. Even with the entire town breathing down his neck, and Shraft even ordering a vigilante to “blow his brains out during the coming night”, he managed to refocus the entire town back onto GiygaS with a single post. He’s going to make one hell of an analyst when he eventually rolls town lol
I take nothing away from my other scum buddy – Cyber_Cheese. His relentless checking of all of our posts in the mafia QT before they were posted in the thread was the reason the mafia stayed so hidden. This is why if you’re reading the QT now, it’ll make absolutely no sense. We communicated exclusively through IRC, posting our draft posts in the QT for final formatting and a thumbs up from the other two scum members. This system really works; I suggest you guys try it if you haven’t already.

On January 01 2012 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Setup was fine; blues are really only "necessary" for larger games anyway, where it's harder to pin people on solely analysis.

They're not an essential part of the game.

On January 01 2012 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
That's an sc2 mafia simulator, there is no analysis in sc2 mafia.

EDIT: You could add an extra townie, as a lot of setups are 13 player now, but that doesn't change a whole lot.

If it's closed, an all-vanilla setup is still practically the same either way.

This setup is slightly mafia favored based on numbers, yes. But that has nothing to do with blues. This setup perhaps should have had 10 townies and 3 scum.

Or, it could have had 9 townies, 3 scum, and a serial killer. That would've worked as well. In fact, that's the base setup of C9++ if no power roles are rolled.

On January 02 2012 03:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

With the set-up of 9 vs 3, town gets three mislynches. If you bump it up to 10 vs 3, town gets four mislynches which seems like too much, in my opinion.

Also, the modkill didn't affect the number of mislynches town had, and I don't like the idea of balancing around potential modkills, as there's a decent likelihood of them affecting town or mafia, and then if they don't happen, it would screw up the balance. 11 vs 3 would give town four mislynches again, and isn't any different from 10 vs 3 except for if town explicitly knows it's MYLO, but that again ties into the theme of not relying on blues, as the only way to win is to have a medic or vig act successfully when it gets down to a 4 vs 3 night-cycle.