EPTOn December 23 2011 12:44 Foolishness wrote:
What are you guys even debating about x.x
What are you guys even debating about x.x
WBG seems to think that BC is too good to be caught. I'm telling him he's way off.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
WBG seems to think that BC is too good to be caught. I'm telling him he's way off. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On December 23 2011 10:36 Palmar wrote: Why don't you let BC defend himself WBG? Do you have a problem with him being forced to do something this game? Do you have a reason to be such a raving dick? Everyone has reasons both in game and outside of game that dictate their level of activeness in a game. Currently as it stands I have been insanely busy with work, xmas related shite, family stuff. If you noticed ver made a post about the level of some players was going to be lower than others? Guess what, I was one of those. Before you instantly start jumping on a vet for being "inactive" or "he has done nothing helpful" why don't you take something a host has mentioned and leave the "inactives" alone and go after the people who are being active. Until day 2 arrives you had no real idea of who was in the net of players who were going to be less active for day 1. However you still chose to jump up and down at me as well as other players. Now who wants to see the interesting bit? Check out Palmars Filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=87086 Who has he analyzed? For a player like Palmar for a day 1 with all the posting has down. He didn't analyze a single player. He FoS or argues with a ton of people, never builds a case then promptly jumps on the lsb wagon. (which I am guilty of voting for the same person, and as much as I'd like to say I'd swap my vote I wasn't here to). This game of yours palmar is nothing like your play from the last game we played together where you were town. You were actively pushing against some people and at least had analysis then, here you have nothing but generalities with no real solid contributions of your own. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Do you have a reason to be such a raving dick? Everyone has reasons both in game and outside of game that dictate their level of activeness in a game. Currently as it stands I have been insanely busy with work, xmas related shite, family stuff. If you noticed ver made a post about the level of some players was going to be lower than others? Guess what, I was one of those. Before you instantly start jumping on a vet for being "inactive" or "he has done nothing helpful" why don't you take something a host has mentioned and leave the "inactives" alone and go after the people who are being active. Until day 2 arrives you had no real idea of who was in the net of players who were going to be less active for day 1. However you still chose to jump up and down at me as well as other players. Now who wants to see the interesting bit? Check out Palmars Filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=87086 Who has he analyzed? For a player like Palmar for a day 1 with all the posting has down. He didn't analyze a single player. He FoS or argues with a ton of people, never builds a case then promptly jumps on the lsb wagon. (which I am guilty of voting for the same person, and as much as I'd like to say I'd swap my vote I wasn't here to). This game of yours palmar is nothing like your play from the last game we played together where you were town. You were actively pushing against some people and at least had analysis then, here you have nothing but generalities with no real solid contributions of your own. Especially since he's so proud of that 60% scum-lynch-rate-D1. I feel that sir. I FEEL THAT. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Bum has been a null tell to me so far but I'm going to get back to him after I talk about Palmer first. Palmer's post: On December 22 2011 03:44 Palmar wrote: Just because I hate shit like that L I've played 25 games I think now on this site, 10 of those had mafia lynched on day one. That's 60% chance of a town lynch on day one, not 98%. misses the post, and I would even say, is trying to misrepresent L's statement of: Day 1 has something silly like a 98% town lynch rate completely to discredit L's idea of mafia not wanting to stir up vigi trouble. The point L was making in his post is that the threat of vigis in this game, given various facts (Ace helped make this game, the mafia have some of the blue roles, how the game has progressed so far, the actual existance of triggered/conditional vigis), is more important for the mafia to avoid than the threat of a lynch. And given the setup of the game, it is more than likely that town will have to get some shots correct to stand a decent chance of winning the game. On December 22 2011 05:00 Palmar wrote: Are you trolling me Foolishness? In your text L even concludes I'm probably not mafia. Again, what has his read on VE to do with anything? What the fuck? This is also an over-representation of what L said. L did not conclude that Palmer was "probably not mafia". He merely concluded that while palmer matched the metric to a T in the beginning of the game, he now no longer fits it to a T. However, L reasons, this change might be due to palmer being "singled out". L then continues by saying that palmer doesn't fit it to a T because he wouldn't have engaged VE for as long if he was mafia. This doesn't mean he concludes that Palmer is "probably not mafia", it merely concludes that the read on him is currently not as straight forwardly red as it had been previously. I also definitely agree partially with L's post afterwardsL: You start with a post about post quality. You then post one liners. You attack me for making a post partially about post quality. given: On December 20 2011 08:05 Palmar wrote: Alright people, let's make this a game worth referencing to new people if they want to see how mafia should be played. No lazy posting, no bullshit. which is then followed by: On December 20 2011 17:30 Palmar wrote: This became terrible fast. On December 20 2011 18:35 Palmar wrote: There's plenty of things that can be prodded already in the thread. (which he never prodded before making this critisim of RoL) On December 20 2011 21:15 Palmar wrote: This post is more funny if you assume WBG has a thick Indian accent. In the middle of all his, he critisizes L with: The best part, there's actually nothing in it that will in any way help move the game forward. I'm not familiar with L's play, and maybe he isn't aware that everyone in this game is kinda good-ish maybe. while he himself hasn't helped move the game forward either. All of this leads me to think he is very likely to be scum and I will be voting as such tomorrow. Will talk about the rest of the events of the day in my next post. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
If I had to guess, GM is town and mod's are cool. But I'm as sure of that as I was of LSB being scum. Activity levels are unsurprising, but it wouldn't hurt to have one of the many less talkative people start yapping. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:55 chaoser wrote: BTW, does anyone know what LSB flipped? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Is he just a vanilla townie? closed setup, all we get is alignment of player, not role. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:28 bumatlarge wrote: I'm scratching the plan chezinu, my research is inadequate. Best of luck if I get shot. I have to go to bed an I have my 5th tenhour workday. And I think it's effecting my game. Hell, I'm on the same page with chezinu, so I must be pretty messed up. I think palmar is more likely town then L is. It's kinda annoying that I can't just rely on my role flipping to explain things, but I think it's better to hold off claiming, even if I was more certain I would get shot. Foolishness scares me more then BC. If I had to guess, GM is town and mod's are cool. But I'm as sure of that as I was of LSB being scum. Activity levels are unsurprising, but it wouldn't hurt to have one of the many less talkative people start yapping. o.O Trying to figure out the motivation for that post and I'm struggling | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/122/114/130232443562.gif?1305073704) My play thus far T.T So, I've sucked horribly and the fact that two of my coworkers decided not to show today really cut into my TL time. Be that as it may, a list of my reads, for reference if I misfire, and for reference if I hit. Consider it my apology for not being able to crank out a full fledged analytic post full of pictures. If I live, well then, this should be something to hold me to. Foolishness- Town. He hasn't said much (as per his usual day 1 play.) But what he has said has generally been spot on, or at least been something that Town foolishness would absolutely, 100% certainty say. This post in particular (the bit about palmar). this post too pretty much cemented in my mind that Foolishness is town. Its not blatantly obvious, but anyone reading carefully should see that foolishness is probably town. RebirthOfLegend - Lurking, possibility of scum. He talks about nothing but the setup, and never mentions any lynch candidates, being "too busy". The fact that placing placeholders and not being around is exactly what he did in TMM sets of some alarms. Not a bad shot, all things considered. wherebugsgo - hard to tell, he is being spammy and aggressive, just like every other game, rule of thumb is that if he doesn't start pushing smart cases, rather than stupid ones, then he is scum, otherwise chances are he is town. I am getting the "fearless town" vibe from him, but he had a very similar style in Pony Mafia, so I'm not going to use that as an indicator kitaman27 - I stand by what I said about him pushing sheth when, frankly, there are better things to do with his time. The fact that he pushes for me over LSB is understandable, but it also places him in the wonderful position of being able to wash his hands clean of blood. That said, reading with a clearer head, I don't see the meta difference I thought I saw earlier. Null read. Possible for him to be scum, but more data is required. syllogism- syllogism town meta = ask lots of questions and whine about inactives. syllos play this game = ask lots of questions and whine about inactives. Oh, yeah, I really, really wish he would make the effort of making a post longer than three - four lines. If we could get even two paragraphs that would be an improvement. SamuelLJackson - First man on the LSB wagon, sadly I understand why it was there all too well. As much as my subconscious would like to believe he is mafia, the fact that my lolworthy argument about hydras got something like 4 votes on him, combined with his generally town seeming behavior, I'm going to have to say he is town, at least for now. If he is scum, the weak link is 100% sandroba, while Curu will run around supporting shitty cases. Jackal58 - actually almost wrote a case against him yesterday based on him being "too nice". However he took the opportunity to tunnel LSB and frankly, I have a hard time making my suspicions against him anything more than a nebulous "well, damn it". I'm used to expecting a much more lurkerish Jackal day 1. Hell if I know at this point. Tunneling is usually a town Jackal trait, but he proved he was aware of this in Cosmic Horror, so for all I know he is taking advantage of that knowledge. Leaning more town than scum, but I highly suggest caution. If he randomly finds a bunch of incriminating breadcrumbs, then lynch him! Liquid`Sheth- Not much to go on. He panics with the LSB lynch and proposes pretty much the worst possible solution, have the two vigis shoot each other, rather than the kitaman solution, this indicates that he at least finds one of the claims believable. He is fine with a no-lynch which is by no means damming, but what worries me is how he tries to shed blame for it here. I lack sufficient data to make a real judgement on him. Leaning red based on the whole "if a no lynch does happen, its not my fault" while advocating a no lynch. L - based on the amount of effort put into his posts, and the fact that from looking at him I get a feeling of transparency, I'm willing to believe he is town. He softclaims blue here. He has no hesitation in aggressively pushing Palmar, L is known for getting in screaming matches with townies, so this is par for the course for a town L. This is a soft read though, will be more definitive when I have more to go on. Mr. Wiggles - oh, dear, flashbacks to cosmic horror again. He calls out BC on lurking, just like he called out Eii in CH, and in general seems to avoid the current issues, except for his mathematical analysis of the LSB situation. I just get a scum vibe of off him, especially his bland opening post, where he talks to death about irrelevant things. Palmar - Agressive, spammy, obnoxious. Yep, this is town Palmar right here, bullying and all. Scum Palmar is a lot more passive and just generally feels like he cares less. Add to that that L wanted to get in a yelling match with him, and given the fact that he didn't shove the easy mislynch down the town's throat when he had the opportunity to, and I think he is town. Chezinu - There is one very good reason why a clever town player (especially one that can get away with it) would try to claim traitor. To lure out the scum teams only guess at finding the traitor. That's exactly the kind of play I would expect from chez, based on its sheer level of insanity. However that said, he is also insane, and might try that as scum, for the giggles. Given how strong he is at reading people, I 100% expect that if he is the traitor he will be induced soon. I want to hear his actual reads on people, if he gives me a list of scum, chances are that if we lynch into it and Chez is scum, we hit mafia. That said, Chez is insane, I refuse to commit to a read of him, although I lean town. Please Chez, gimmie a list of people you think are scum ^_^ chaoser - Yes, he gives his thoughts on the early phases of the game and tries to put on his "town leader hat", but his attempts to lead seem to fall short. I find his case against L to be not compelling at all, and frankly his play seems generally weak compared to what I tend to expect from town chaoser. That said this is probably my most tentative read, I would love to hear his thoughts on the last half of day 1. bumatlarge - he feels like chezinu 2.0 right now, which is extremely bothersome. Bum is clearly having fun with it, but I have no idea what the hell is going on with him. Half his messages are related to chez and read like nonesense. I can't fathom his motivation, unless its really role related, or if he is scum trying some crazy play (totally possible for bum). He seems to be giving some opinions and such and his last post is a lot better. I have to go with town here, simply because it seems too ballsy for scum, and if SMG is any indication bum usually knows what to do with a blue role. BloodyC0bbler - not much to say on him. Much like me, he is excessively busy. Of the two significant posts he has, one is entirely hollow of content, but also entirely believable. His vote on LSB reads like a pressure vote which he never showed up to discuss further. No real idea until he posts more. GGQ - see BC, simply not enough data to judge. He promises to be useful and has thus far failed to deliver. Would like to see more. prplhz - seems to be genuinely active and trying. Not a whole lot to say about him other than I have a strong feeling he is town, just from the effort he is putting in. If he is scum and set his alarm at 4:30 am to be part of a lynch then he is more dedicated than 90% of people on scumteams who will often leave such things to their buddies. That and the analysis and openness with which he is posting convinces me that he is town. VisceraEyes - highly active? check. Coming up with theories that require other people to have mental issues to be close to true? check. Yeah, this is town VE alright. He might not be right half the time, but he is active and transparent as can be. Not much to say to him, other than if he thinks I claimed suicidal vigi as scum then he is downright insulting my scumplay. Oh, I guess I should announce that I'm shooting RoL. I'm not having a repeat of TMM where he gets away with being busy till the endgame. If I'm wrong then on my head be it (and by that I mean I'll be horribly dead). I know there isn't strong analysis supporting it, but I just spent 3 1/2 hours writing this post/coming up with who to shoot, and I just don't have time to flesh out a fully detailed analysis on anyone before the deadline. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 23 2011 14:06 Foolishness wrote: noooo not RoL! You could have shot bugs! what the | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Also palmar is not acting the same as his town meta, somethings off. If BC continues to be inactive, he's scum. Sheth is scummy. Foolishness and VE townie (VE much more so). In case I got shot. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 23 2011 14:14 Foolishness wrote: Please note all the players who have now decided to call me town right before day ends. And please note wherebugsgo Don't worry, I still don't think you're town. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 20 2011 07:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You know, I guess that's one way of getting me to actually play in your game Ver ;P But I guess I did verbally half commit! Don't start this until the 23rd though, or you won't see me posting until then. I refer you to this. I have been busy all semester and I literally just finished my last thing I had to do which was a 20 page research report. If you would like a copy of it you are more than welcome  but killing me is a bad idea. | ||
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