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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it!
If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 23 2011 02:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 01:15 kitaman27 wrote:Post-lynch thoughts: On December 22 2011 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that.
Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment.
What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum.
At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu." Chezinu or Foolishness obviously wasn't going to get lynched, considering your post was only 10 minutes from the deadline, but what concerns me is that you just explained why you thought LSB's claim made no sense as scum, yet you didn't move your vote off him. Surely, a no-lynch would have been better, giving him an opportunity to shoot, if this was the way you guys felt, wouldn't it? GGQ also mentions how the case against LSB is thin and that he is not confident that he is scum, but he moves his vote to him anyways. RoL puts a placeholder on Chezinu, yet disappears for the remainder of the day. The last thing we need is another Team Melee game from him, so I hope to hear from him day two. There were also several other people who disappeared from the discussion, such as L and BC. I'd rather a lynch of him than a no lynch or we just have a repeat of day 1 with no lynch information. Of course I would've preferred Foolishness or Chezinu more but unfortunately by the time I got home it was too late to solidly put something together. I wasn't even expecting to be here for the lynch since the game had started at 11:30 EST and I wasn't expecting to be home until after that but the deadline was pushed back half an hour. Is Sheth still on your radar kita? What about GMarshal? /Curu
As you probably noticed in Election mafia, Sheth's day one posts were pretty scummy. The game is still ongoing so I don't want to go into it too much, but he seemed susceptible to slipping up whenever he was asked to comment on something. This game he has been much more conservative in giving his opinion. He hasn't really brought anything new to the table, even if we don't follow through with a majority, I wouldn't mind seeing 7-8 votes on him with a threat of being lynched to see how he reacts tomorrow.
I'll buy the blue claim from GM for now. I don't see the reasoning he would claim as scum, since its too early in the game for a fake claim like that to have any benefit. He said he is shooting tonight, so if he hits scum, he clears himself. If he hits town, he kills himself. If he claims roleblock, well that's one less roleblock for scum to use elsewhere and we can go from there. My biggest concern would be if he claims to have saved his shot for a later point, rather than shooting tonight, since it doesn't resolve his alignment.
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On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight.
Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP.
How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita?
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@VisceraEyes Can you explain to me, why would any townie hit GMarshal tonight?
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Because he counterclaimed LSB claiming the same role but with a different name. While it's not a stretch to believe that Ver put in 1 role with 2 different names, I'm having a hard time accepting it myself. I'm probably not alone.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita?
The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum.
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RE: Availability
Just finished my term paper. Will be catching up with current events when my body recovers. Which will be after 5 showers, dinner, some freshly brewed tea and a rousing bout of intercourse with a model from Holland.
Cheerio chaps.
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On December 23 2011 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita? The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum.
Would you say that you're willing to lynch GM if scum doesn't die tonight Kita?
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@VisceraEyes
All that talk is pretty silly VisceraEyes, people shouldn't really have a public rigid opinion on this because if GMarshal is town then scum is more uncertain what to do if people don't say "If GMarshal doesn't do X before Y then Z". I think GMarshal knows what he has to do if he is town, and if he doesn't do this then he's going to be in big trouble no matter what opinion people might have right now, but anyway lets keep scum in the dark about just this.
So, what do you think about Jackal58?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 23 2011 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita? The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum. Would you say that you're willing to lynch GM if scum doesn't die tonight Kita?
It would depend what happens. If GM decided not to fire, I would be willing. If he claims to have hit player X and player X survives the hit, then I would probably want to lynch one of the two, unless there was a legitimate reason not to. I'm not sure how we would approach the situation if he is roleblocked. It would probably depend on who he decides to hit and his reasoning. How about you?
@GM, is your bullet refunded if you are roleblocked?
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United States2186 Posts
Some traitor clarifications: (I forgot to update the OP)
If 4 mafia alive, traitor must give me a list of 4 names, 3 of them must be correct. If 3 mafia alive, 3 names with 2 being correct, etc.
Am currently considering what to do about Christmas since most NA people (myself included) will be gone during the daytime and the euros will be gone at different times as well. Will most likely extend day 2 an extra 24 hours.
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On December 23 2011 05:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 23 2011 02:42 kitaman27 wrote:On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! If GM were the traitor, the scum team would still need to shoot a scum to justify him living. I don't think the trade would be worth it, considering GM would then have to deal with having a reason for being alive for the remainder of the game for shooting scum. It looked like LSB was going to be lynched even before the counter-claim, so its not like traitor would have anything to gain by putting himself out there to be responsible for a vig shot tonight. Unless they're just expecting him to die tonight to town KP. How likely do you think it is that scum KP go up if they add the Traitor to their number Kita? The most common formula is #scum/2, rounded up, so it could go up to 3 if the traitor is recruited, but that is of little help if the traitor gets lynched the next day. The one additional kp for one night doesn't seem worth outing the traitor as scum. Would you say that you're willing to lynch GM if scum doesn't die tonight Kita? It would depend what happens. If GM decided not to fire, I would be willing. If he claims to have hit player X and player X survives the hit, then I would probably want to lynch one of the two, unless there was a legitimate reason not to. I'm not sure how we would approach the situation if he is roleblocked. It would probably depend on who he decides to hit and his reasoning. How about you? @GM, is your bullet refunded if you are roleblocked?
It would depend on the circumstances, as you said. I'll say however that I'm going to favor lynching in more scenarios than not.
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I'm lonely guys, come play with me! Allowed to fester, I'll just keep coming up with crazy paranoid shit. I need guidance.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On December 23 2011 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm lonely guys, come play with me! Allowed to fester, I'll just keep coming up with crazy paranoid shit. I need guidance.
Don't worry broski, I got your back
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Hey guys I decided to write something about BloodyC0bbler because he only has 3 posts in this game so that should be easy, AMIRITE?
BloodyC0bbler
His first post isn't very impressive.
His second post has already been commented on. It appears to me that he is soft blue claiming in the very first paragraph, by saying that bumatlarge and Chezinu are making sense when they're talking about the setup (which I think they were?). He says it in a way that would make people think that he knows something about the setup too, but not in a very subtle way like he wants everybody to know. This looks like a soft blue claim to me but I have no idea why he is doing it at this point.
Also in the first paragraph he says "Their posts illustrate what I am saying.", well dude, you haven't said a thing yet. That is your 7th sentence in this game. The rest of your post doesn't say anything that looks like it is remotely related to what bumatlarge and Chezinu might have been talking about, so this makes little sense to me.
His next paragraphs says "everybody sucks, RNG sucks" which has already been commented on by other people, we were beyond talking about RNG at this point, why didn't he just move on if he doesn't want people to talk about RNG?
He finishes his post by making a half assed accusation against Palmar for not contributing any original content. Pot kettle black.
His third and latest post to date starts by pointing out something that Foolishness already pointed out.
He then defends GMarshal for suggesting a policy lynch saying that "hydras ruin games" and "lets kill the hydra because he's a hydra" isn't terrible. This is odd to me because it is a terrible accusation that GMarshal came up with there, just because Protactinium or whatever ruined a game 100 years ago doesn't mean that policy lynching a hydra now is a good idea. It's like he's grasping for straws to defend GMarshal, I don't understand why because the case against GMarshal was decent and the pressure was not misplaced at all.
Next paragraph he again goes for Palmar because Palmar pointed out that BloodyC0bbler was addressing something that wasn't relevant to the thread anyway, and by doing this BloodyC0bbler again talks about something that is not relevant to the thread anymore. We are past RNG here, talk about it post game, there was no need to comment and just because Palmar was apparently stupid in thinking that RNG is alright, BloodyC0bbler isn't adding anything to the thread here.
It is statements like "Now, I only respond to these posts as he was tossing shit my way for my play.", he feel the need to justify that he's defending himself, dude why don't you just play better and put effort into something that isn't defending yourself? Then nobody will be on your back.
In the end he concludes that Palmar is likely town. Then why the hell these first paragraphs? You are going for Palmar for over half of your post and then you say "Yea he's probably town because of that thing Foolishness said". Again, you are not adding anything to this thread, you are only trying to take stuff out of it.
Only in the last two paragraphs does he actually do something that isn't counter attacking Palmar for his very accurate comment on BloodyC0bbler's posting. This is alright, and it's a very early committal vote on LSB who was acting weird, the only problem I have is that BloodyC0bbler says "So until he comes out with anything substantial to keep him alive im voting him.", but BloodyC0bbler never returns to the thread. It's like he's placed his vote and then he doesn't really care anymore. If he had been in the thread at any point I believe he would have commented on the whole claim and counter claim thing, that seems like something that might have shaken his belief in this lynch but he doesn't, he just disappears from the thread once he's placed his vote.
Overall I also think BloodyC0bbler seems excessively hostile, throwing words like "shit" and "shite" and "asshattery" (which of course is also kinda funny) all over the place. I don't get this weird frustrated hostility, but I feel like it's the same I saw in Curu in Election mafia. I don't know how to interpret this and it's all up for discussion, but maybe BloodyC0bbler doesn't really like being scum, he wasn't like this at all in XLVII.
I can't vote right now.
Since VisceraEyes is around maybe you can comment on this? Foolishness is around too but I doubt I'll get anything out of him right now.
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On December 23 2011 08:33 prplhz wrote:Hey guys I decided to write something about BloodyC0bbler because he only has 3 posts in this game so that should be easy, AMIRITE? BloodyC0bblerHis first post isn't very impressive. His second post has already been commented on. It appears to me that he is soft blue claiming in the very first paragraph, by saying that bumatlarge and Chezinu are making sense when they're talking about the setup (which I think they were?). He says it in a way that would make people think that he knows something about the setup too, but not in a very subtle way like he wants everybody to know. This looks like a soft blue claim to me but I have no idea why he is doing it at this point. Also in the first paragraph he says "Their posts illustrate what I am saying.", well dude, you haven't said a thing yet. That is your 7th sentence in this game. The rest of your post doesn't say anything that looks like it is remotely related to what bumatlarge and Chezinu might have been talking about, so this makes little sense to me. His next paragraphs says "everybody sucks, RNG sucks" which has already been commented on by other people, we were beyond talking about RNG at this point, why didn't he just move on if he doesn't want people to talk about RNG? He finishes his post by making a half assed accusation against Palmar for not contributing any original content. Pot kettle black. His third and latest post to date starts by pointing out something that Foolishness already pointed out. He then defends GMarshal for suggesting a policy lynch saying that "hydras ruin games" and "lets kill the hydra because he's a hydra" isn't terrible. This is odd to me because it is a terrible accusation that GMarshal came up with there, just because Protactinium or whatever ruined a game 100 years ago doesn't mean that policy lynching a hydra now is a good idea. It's like he's grasping for straws to defend GMarshal, I don't understand why because the case against GMarshal was decent and the pressure was not misplaced at all. Next paragraph he again goes for Palmar because Palmar pointed out that BloodyC0bbler was addressing something that wasn't relevant to the thread anyway, and by doing this BloodyC0bbler again talks about something that is not relevant to the thread anymore. We are past RNG here, talk about it post game, there was no need to comment and just because Palmar was apparently stupid in thinking that RNG is alright, BloodyC0bbler isn't adding anything to the thread here. It is statements like "Now, I only respond to these posts as he was tossing shit my way for my play.", he feel the need to justify that he's defending himself, dude why don't you just play better and put effort into something that isn't defending yourself? Then nobody will be on your back. In the end he concludes that Palmar is likely town. Then why the hell these first paragraphs? You are going for Palmar for over half of your post and then you say "Yea he's probably town because of that thing Foolishness said". Again, you are not adding anything to this thread, you are only trying to take stuff out of it. Only in the last two paragraphs does he actually do something that isn't counter attacking Palmar for his very accurate comment on BloodyC0bbler's posting. This is alright, and it's a very early committal vote on LSB who was acting weird, the only problem I have is that BloodyC0bbler says "So until he comes out with anything substantial to keep him alive im voting him.", but BloodyC0bbler never returns to the thread. It's like he's placed his vote and then he doesn't really care anymore. If he had been in the thread at any point I believe he would have commented on the whole claim and counter claim thing, that seems like something that might have shaken his belief in this lynch but he doesn't, he just disappears from the thread once he's placed his vote. Overall I also think BloodyC0bbler seems excessively hostile, throwing words like "shit" and "shite" and "asshattery" (which of course is also kinda funny) all over the place. I don't get this weird frustrated hostility, but I feel like it's the same I saw in Curu in Election mafia. I don't know how to interpret this and it's all up for discussion, but maybe BloodyC0bbler doesn't really like being scum, he wasn't like this at all in XLVII. I can't vote right now. Since VisceraEyes is around maybe you can comment on this? Foolishness is around too but I doubt I'll get anything out of him right now.
prplhz I have to say...this is impressive analysis. I'd like to add that his 'unless he comes and does something yadda yadda' when he voted LSB was noncommittal and left him free to come in and unvote if he wanted to. But as you pointed out, he didn't seem to care after this post.
FoS: BloodyC0bbler
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Bum you never really explained why you found LSB scummy. The closest thing for explaining your vote was when you said you liked GM's claim more than LSB's and a bit earlier said "LSB has been spouting nonsense", which are both quite poor justifications for voting someone. As far as I can tell you didn't even state that you agreed with someone else's analysis on him. Actually don't think you explained why you found Palmar or foolishness scummy either.
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On December 23 2011 05:10 L wrote:
RE: Availability
Just finished my term paper. Will be catching up with current events when my body recovers. Which will be after 5 showers, dinner, some freshly brewed tea and a rousing bout of intercourse with a model from Holland.
Cheerio chaps.
So who is replacing L?
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On December 23 2011 09:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 05:10 L wrote:
RE: Availability
Just finished my term paper. Will be catching up with current events when my body recovers. Which will be after 5 showers, dinner, some freshly brewed tea and a rousing bout of intercourse with a model from Holland.
Cheerio chaps. So who is replacing L?
Ooooo....*brofist*
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lol jackal.
I agree with everything prplhzery said.
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