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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On December 22 2011 14:19 bumatlarge wrote: Well gee. LSB was telling the truth, so there is definitely some tricky host business with where GM got the iea to make that counter-claim. I don't think that alone shows his colors one way or another. It's okay, he'll be shooting you tonight so we'll end up ahead anyways. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Can someone help me out with possible scum motivations for counterclaiming like that? Beyond the obvious WIFOM and confusion it would cause, I can't think of a single benefit that would arise from it, save one; there is no solid scum motivation for it, so GM would then be confirmed-but-not-really-town. It's loose, but it's literally all I can think of. Anyone else have any ideas? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
GM is the Traitor. I can see Traitor motivation for GM's actions. I mean, it not only gives GM an opportunity to push through a mislynch, it allows mafia to know for almost certain who the Traitor is for their guess...this bolsters their number (however breifly) and reduces town number. + Show Spoiler [WIFOM/Speculation] + Hell, it's possible that them finding the traitor with a full roster increases their KP right? We don't know what scum KP is, and we don't know how it's calculated. It's possible that scum KP are increased by 1 if they find the traitor with a full roster. Does this make sense? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
we should choose who GM should shoot. Sandro what do you think? Who should be shot? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On December 22 2011 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote: well GM will shoot if he's town. Scum will die, or GM will die. It's that simple. we should choose who GM should shoot. Sandro what do you think? Who should be shot? No. Assume GM is town. Most likely he'll choose to shoot tonight. If we pick for him (even give him an approved list) and give him a town to shoot, mafia will just let him shoot the town and kill himself. If we give him a mafia to shoot, mafia will just roleblock/kill him. If we let GM decide for himself, then mafia are left debating on how to handle the situation. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 22 2011 15:16 Foolishness wrote: No. Assume GM is town. Most likely he'll choose to shoot tonight. If we pick for him (even give him an approved list) and give him a town to shoot, mafia will just let him shoot the town and kill himself. If we give him a mafia to shoot, mafia will just roleblock/kill him. If we let GM decide for himself, then mafia are left debating on how to handle the situation. yeah, that sounds good. We should have him claim right before deadline so that we have a confirmed town if he dies. Fair enough GM? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
GM is telling the truth about his role, that Ver is trying to punish the practice of comparing role PMs I think this is the case. That's the kinda thing I expected when Ver mentioned punishing bad play, I know he hates people trying to use roles or similar stuff that's irrelevant to the game as whole, and unlike most of the bullshit (triggers wtf?) that's been talked about in the thread so far, this is something that would punish bad play. GM's counterclaim makes no sense for scum, especially since LSB was probably about to be lynched anyway (don't fucking claim at 3 am european time...) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On December 22 2011 14:19 bumatlarge wrote: Well gee. LSB was telling the truth, so there is definitely some tricky host business with where GM got the iea to make that counter-claim. I don't think that alone shows his colors one way or another. What do you think this has got to do with the hosts? Why are you posting like an ass? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 22 2011 16:00 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah, that sounds good. We should have him claim right before deadline so that we have a confirmed town if he dies. Fair enough GM? That was the plan. I'll put up who I am killing 1 minute before the deadline. I'll also try to get as much analysis out there as possible between now and the end of the day. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Sorry LSB but the last time I played and you were a vig you played your bait and switch crap. Nothing like this game at all.  | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 22 2011 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that. Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment. What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum. At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu." Chezinu or Foolishness obviously wasn't going to get lynched, considering your post was only 10 minutes from the deadline, but what concerns me is that you just explained why you thought LSB's claim made no sense as scum, yet you didn't move your vote off him. Surely, a no-lynch would have been better, giving him an opportunity to shoot, if this was the way you guys felt, wouldn't it? GGQ also mentions how the case against LSB is thin and that he is not confident that he is scum, but he moves his vote to him anyways. RoL puts a placeholder on Chezinu, yet disappears for the remainder of the day. The last thing we need is another Team Melee game from him, so I hope to hear from him day two. There were also several other people who disappeared from the discussion, such as L and BC. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
We will be entering day 2 soon. Absolutely no more lazy half assed posting from anyone is acceptable. Im indicating RoL, BC, Foolishness, Chezinu, GM, kita. I have issues with bums posts as well which have been largely useless. Curu | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On December 23 2011 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: Post-lynch thoughts: Chezinu or Foolishness obviously wasn't going to get lynched, considering your post was only 10 minutes from the deadline, but what concerns me is that you just explained why you thought LSB's claim made no sense as scum, yet you didn't move your vote off him. Surely, a no-lynch would have been better, giving him an opportunity to shoot, if this was the way you guys felt, wouldn't it? GGQ also mentions how the case against LSB is thin and that he is not confident that he is scum, but he moves his vote to him anyways. RoL puts a placeholder on Chezinu, yet disappears for the remainder of the day. The last thing we need is another Team Melee game from him, so I hope to hear from him day two. There were also several other people who disappeared from the discussion, such as L and BC. I'd rather a lynch of him than a no lynch or we just have a repeat of day 1 with no lynch information. Of course I would've preferred Foolishness or Chezinu more but unfortunately by the time I got home it was too late to solidly put something together. I wasn't even expecting to be here for the lynch since the game had started at 11:30 EST and I wasn't expecting to be home until after that but the deadline was pushed back half an hour. Is Sheth still on your radar kita? What about GMarshal? /Curu | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On December 23 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: What about my Traitor theory guys? Hey! Hey! What about my Traitor theory? Everyone's ignoring it! As I understand it, your traitor theory is that GMarshal is the traitor. I don't see why you think this. Only a lunatic would claim to be a vig who can only hit scum, when he's scum aligned. It could only get crazier if he also claimed that he is compulsive. | ||
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