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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:22 xtfftc wrote: Okay, let's say you're a DT. You check someone on Night 1. On Day 2 we use a single lynch. You check someone else on Night 2 and confirm your sanity. Then on Day 3 we use double lynch. How does having your sanity confirmed help our lynch? Do you expect a DT to claim on day 3? Yes, if a DT has confirmed his sanity by day 4 he will claim because it will be the optimal thing to do. The only way a DT can confirm his sanity by day 3 is if both his targets die. So he'll have no useful check on day 3. I was somewhat wrong about that. The DT can claim day 4, though. In that case we'll have 3 double lynches to use on days where DTs have confirmed their sanities and have useful checks for us. If we use a double lynch on day 2 and day 3 then we'll only have two double lynches to use on days when DTs have confirmed their sanities. A DT claiming in this game after confirmation of sanity is very good because the role is easily verifiable. In addition, if they are not lying they will be protected by a medic. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
if so, no DT will ever claim unless its LYLO or threatening LYLO. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:30 annul wrote: can mafia stack hits on players to overcome potential medic/vet/etc? if so, no DT will ever claim unless its LYLO or threatening LYLO. They can stack hits yeah. Still incorrect. In almost every situation if I was scum, I'd simply roleblock the DT and keep killing as many townies as possible. @WBG: I think we can afford to not lynch into our top 10 scumreads, even if that kinda sucks for the DTs who picked the 2 people who get lynched. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
it's almost 5 am here so I'm just going to go to sleep soon lol. If we're lynching into that list of 10 tomorrow then I'd support a double lynch. Otherwise I will not. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Player: BLinD-RawR Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=66563¤tpage=2 Reasons: His play consists of spamming one-liners with no value behind them. He made an excuse for himself not to participate on day 1. His last post (clicky) is nothing but a summary of the situation, and some vague advice we need to stand together. He doesn't actually give his opinion on what's going as much as he posts to summarize it. Player: deconduo Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=34027 Reasons: Since it became apparent that Sandroba, BC, WBG and I were gaining a lot of influence in town he has done nothing but try to collectively discredit us. While I'm not saying there is no chance there is scum in our group, we aren't all scum, that's stupid and actively trying to undermine town leadership. Here he suggests we're all scum. In addition, his latest attack on WBG was insensible, as I already explained. Player: Hier Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=55311 Reasons: Not using logic at all in his posts. He is trying to create arguments against people on two occasions based on reactions of other people to them. This holds absolutely no value. When I explained to him why his logic didn't work, he started complaining about appealing to emotion.... by appealing to emotion, and then asked if mafia saw him as threat. I beg you all just to read his filter, it's a collection of some of the worst logic I have seen. I need to run now, will be back in an hour or two with more suggestions. I am VERY MUCH open to suggestions for the list. I actually find it slightly annoying that while a lot of people seem to be willing to chime in on the slugfests about plans and mechanics, very few people are actually building cases against scum. @WBG, I'm not putting syllo on the list. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 27 2011 20:34 wherebugsgo wrote: use your brain. We have four double lynches. We will last long enough even if Palmar is scum and he doesn't double lynch day 3 to use them all. As I just said, if Palmar doesn't double lynch day 3 we lynch him. It's actually more beneficial for him as scum to double lynch on day 3, because it preserves his own life. ah okay i somehow believed that if palmar dies, we dont have the oportunity to doublelynch anymore... didnt know that the sherrif can also decide to doublelynch if the mayor is dead. yes, i got to admit that changes everything.. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On November 27 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: I have decided I will be double lynching tomorrow, unless someone can present a compelling argument against it. What? But you were so amazingly against it at the beggining of the night :S? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I find the Palmar-Annul debate about double lynching suspicious. For one, I am not convinced why DL(double lynching from now on) is a must or else town is at a disadvantage. For all we know these two could operating together. I feel like we are pushing too fast. Mind that I'm a complete newb so my insticts can be totally off. Can you explain why you are rooting for DL so hard? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Framers are just as useful for manipulating results since there are just as many targets on the list. It is easier to get correct reads on people on the list because they are better players, they will be more scrutinized and they can be relied on to make correct calls. I thought Heir's first posts were bad too but it can be very hard to determine if he is a malicious scum or if he is just a townie acting weird, because nobody has any meta with him and he's new at this game. Some people on my list will flip and some won't, scum can't kill them all but they will try to kill some of them. wherebugsgo's list was made on day1, night1 people argued that we shouldn't double lynch because we didn't have enough information to reliably find two scum, why are we forcing ourselves to lynch/vig into that list? The only thing I see as a drawback is that maybe it is more likely that those players are godfathered if they are scum. Other than that, we get to lynch exclusively into people we find scummy, our vigs get to shoot exclusively into people we find scummy, and DTs will get our more accurate reads on people on the list. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Besides it being optimal, there is even more reason to go for them early. If palmar is scum and we allow him to not double lynch he can trade away preventing us from double lynching day 2 and 3 for his life on day 4. That is a great trade for any scum team. If BC is scum aswell they can completely deny double lynches for the rest of the game, severely crippling town's chances. That's why it should never be considered an option even if it wasn't optimal. Now Palmar, you are acting suspiciously as shit. WTF is about you suporting a plan on "confirming DT sanities early" and not willing to double lynch tomorrow? How in hell does that make any sense? Are you sugesting we waste tons of vig shots flipping people from a list based on day 1 to preserve one double lynch for day 6? After seeing YM flip green you can tell how accurate day 1 reads are, especially in a game of this size. Also you fucking "I'm adding YM to the suspect list trololol" just to lynch him day 1 is bothering the hell out of me. If you were going for a vet why didn't you consider decon who was acting 58x more suspicious then YM? I don't even care what alignment you are, you must use the double lynch tonight. If you promisse to be a good boy and vote double lynch every night from now on I promise to save you for later. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Annul made off my list of suspects. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I will add to my possible scum list everyone who accuses others without solid reasons. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 22:49 sandroba wrote: WBG is suspicious as fuck. He wants to flip 10 people by day 3, but somehow was against day 2 double lynch. Go figure. Annul made off my list of suspects. Read again, sandro. I said I'm fine with the double lynch if we lynch into the list of 10. I was mostly against double lynching day 2 because it's sub optimal, particularly when you're lynching outside of your best scumreads. If we lynch into that list of 10 before day 3 it kinda defeats the purpose of the plan. However since I doubt lynching outside those 10 would be very productive, I said I'd support the double lynch. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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