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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
What first caught my eye was his massive post telling all the blues in the game how to play their role. This post is extremely easy to make as scum, while at the same time looking like you are contributing a lot. In reality, however, his entire post can be summed up by saying "go to mafiascum wiki and read how to play your role." This prompted me to look through his filter, and unfortunately I found a lot more of the same. Posts that are empty, and completely devoid of opinion. In fact, his only opinions so far are that Decon should be lynchrd and BC should be mayor, neither of which he had provided much analysis for whatsoever. What are all the other candidates thoughts on this? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 07:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think he is saying things along the same lines of the problem I commented he had earlier. He is using weird logic to confirm sandro by linking the two together. Syllo's behaviour would give me no reason to trust sandro more or less as to analyze sandro requires sandro's posts not syllo's. Nothing he has said makes me feel any surer of sandro's alignment. The only way syllo could confirm sandros alignment is by being red and knowing sandro is green. In that case the only reason to so strongly push sandro now would be to deny me sheriff. However, sandro could be easily red in the case syllo is red, and sandro could be red if syllo is green. Nothing about syllo's posts will make me think any differently in a positive light on sandro. He is however digging himself into some weird messed up hole that seems impossible to get out of. Would you agree to killing either of them in the short-term? I agree with your second half; for the most part, the interaction between these two makes it almost impossible to tell the alignment combination. Oddly enough I think the least likely is town-town though. lol. I felt the same way when a very similar situation (as I have already cited) occurred in PYP:Interesting. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 07:54 GreYMisT wrote: Id like anyone who is looking for a scummy candidate to direct their attention to tnkted. What first caught my eye was his massive post telling all the blues in the game how to play their role. This post is extremely easy to make as scum, while at the same time looking like you are contributing a lot. In reality, however, his entire post can be summed up by saying "go to mafiascum wiki and read how to play your role." This prompted me to look through his filter, and unfortunately I found a lot more of the same. Posts that are empty, and completely devoid of opinion. In fact, his only opinions so far are that Decon should be lynchrd and BC should be mayor, neither of which he had provided much analysis for whatsoever. What are all the other candidates thoughts on this? I'm not really a candidate, but my opinion is that people generally get this vibe from tnkted. They got it in Cosmic when he was town, for example. I tend to agree with what you said, though, which is probably why people find him scummy. I actually agree with him that BC should be elected and decon should probably die, though. Read through decon's filter if you'd like. I'll probably be including him in my read post. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On November 27 2011 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Would you agree to killing either of them in the short-term? I agree with your second half; for the most part, the interaction between these two makes it almost impossible to tell the alignment combination. Oddly enough I think the least likely is town-town though. lol. I felt the same way when a very similar situation (as I have already cited) occurred in PYP:Interesting. If sandro is not elected he should still be giving all the analysis he promised too (baring night shots offing him) if he lives and does not he should get lynched. Syllo if he keeps playing like he is just becomes a detriment to the town in my eyes. In the same case lynched. At the moment though as it is day 1 i am willing to forgive this in the long term of they both manage to step it up and play as well, they are known to be capable of. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On November 27 2011 07:58 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not really a candidate, but my opinion is that people generally get this vibe from tnkted. They got it in Cosmic when he was town, for example. I tend to agree with what you said, though, which is probably why people find him scummy. I actually agree with him that BC should be elected and decon should probably die, though. Read through decon's filter if you'd like. I'll probably be including him in my read post. I agree as well that Decon is looking pretty bad, which is why it concerned me that tntked didn't provide any analysis of him. It gave me the vibe that he might want to have the "correct read" in case Decon flipped red, but didn't want to push his lynch too hard. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:03 GreYMisT wrote: I agree as well that Decon is looking pretty bad, which is why it concerned me that tntked didn't provide any analysis of him. It gave me the vibe that he might want to have the "correct read" in case Decon flipped red, but didn't want to push his lynch too hard. the problem is there's just so many posting a bunch of nothing. look into errandors filter for example. 50% is excuses for not posting, 25% is promises to start posting soon, 10 % is double posts to clear things up like "soon (tm)" and 5% is actually posts. Yeah those numbers are totally out of nowhere but still you get what I mean. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote: It's not impossible at all if you have had any clue how to play as town. Unfortunately only your scum play is good I take it this is your way of saying I should simply take your word that sandro is town? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I take it this is your way of saying I should simply take your word that sandro is town? No, I'm saying you should stop saying "it's impossible to tell whether one or both of them are town because they are doing this", because in fact it's making it easier | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Also I don't care that Palmar is more likely to be elected, I just want to know. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
@bc: i dont understand how im setting him up? i said we lynch him on two conditions a) he makes bad calls. this should go for every player and b) bodyguards start dying. even if i was scum, why would i shoot my bodyguards? i think its perfectly reasonanle. the biggest risk is sandroba being scum, and thus having an extra roleblock and having access to my bodyguards | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:07 Toadesstern wrote: the problem is there's just so many posting a bunch of nothing. look into errandors filter for example. 50% is excuses for not posting, 25% is promises to start posting soon, 10 % is double posts to clear things up like "soon (tm)" and 5% is actually posts. Yeah those numbers are totally out of nowhere but still you get what I mean. That is true of many players in this game, however the difference between him and tntked is that tntked, through his large yet empty posts, is attempting to appear helpful and protown, while actually not saying much at all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote: No, I'm saying you should stop saying "it's impossible to tell whether one or both of them are town because they are doing this", because in fact it's making it easier But you are saying that I should take your word that sandro is town, correct? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote: But you are saying that I should take your word that sandro is town, correct? I would prefer it yes, but I don't expect to convince many and that's okay because the votes are close. It's entirely reasonable not to take my word on it and I can quite clearly be wrong. However I do think I'm correct and as such think it would be wise to take my word on it. Again, this depends on how good your own read is. If you are very sure of, say, BC's alignment, voting for him isn't generally a mistake. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
Mafia Palmar -Way too many people announcing their vote for him, with the official vote tag and everything. Claiming they love his plan, even though there REALLY wasn't any plan Palmar offered to begin with. Typical propaganda by the mafia. -Most of his campaign relies on him proclaiming he is good as town, and bad as mafia. -Already started working on his "people with ability to veto" list to veto people ending up on the suspect list. That includes himself. lol wut? Note that he wants 3 veto votes to prevent a person to be on the suspect list for DTs. That means there are at least 3 mafia members on that list Palmar proposed. -Slightly suspicious about his adamant urge to kill YM. YM merely WBG -I'm not a fan of his DT plan. Unless prevented by an ability, mafia will get a kill every night. Meanwhile, the town's lynches are semi-blind and can be manipulated by the mafia. We are meant to follow a list, which itself can be manipulated through propaganda, waste our player resources (forced kills), and waste our vigilante shots all to slightly help out our detective(s) to figure out their sanity, the attempts of which can be all for naught by GF, Millers, and framers. If mafia gets a slightly favorable population ratio within the first few days, the game is over. No thanks. I'd rather have our DTs work independently, even if it is a gamble on them being competent. -His claim that sandroba is mafia hangs entirely on his first lynch target, sinani206. Though I admit questionable, he puts way too much weight on that point alone. BC -The original creator of the DT plan. It is likely WBG modified it, as opposed to advising BC behind the curtains to fix it, because they wanted to create an extra face to compete in the elections, diluting the suspicions. Town sandroba -Is against WBG's plan, with which I agree with; it is far too prone to manipulation and errors by DTs. Can't Quite Tell syllogism GreYMisT prplhz | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On November 27 2011 08:10 wherebugsgo wrote: BC if you were elected mayor who would you lynch and why? Also I don't care that Palmar is more likely to be elected, I just want to know. At the moment? YM for being so against palmar one minute then instantly swapping over to off me Lemonwalrus for jumping in on day 3 of day 1's election discussion to say he wont be active till monday and voted off of campaign posts? He knows better and its extremely sketchy. Warn people ahead of time as you knew ahead of time you'd be mia. Risen. He makes posts that seem newish, but he is purposely quoting some large posts and doing the +1 post sort of mentality, calls out scum without ever giving a brief explanation. Just seems odd. Possibly rookie mistakes but he just stands out to me. There are a number of players who strike me as active lurkers who I would like to see flip but without ever having seen them play I have no idea if its out of the "im new and have no idea what to do" or mafia keeping active without contributing. | ||
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