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On November 27 2011 06:56 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 06:53 Palmar wrote:
What are you pointing out? Are you accusing kurumi of changing his mind?
He voted for sandroba and then an hour later immediately unvoted when someone made a generic request to unvote without explaining why and then even stated "finally someone with sense". Pretty obvious, no?
So do you think, based on this, that kurumi is scum?
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Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 06:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 06:56 syllogism wrote:On November 27 2011 06:53 Palmar wrote:
What are you pointing out? Are you accusing kurumi of changing his mind?
He voted for sandroba and then an hour later immediately unvoted when someone made a generic request to unvote without explaining why and then even stated "finally someone with sense". Pretty obvious, no? So do you think, based on this, that kurumi is scum?
No, I noted strange behaviour and wanted to see how he would respond
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On November 27 2011 06:58 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 06:56 Palmar wrote:On November 27 2011 06:43 syllogism wrote:
Hey Palmar are you going to vote for BC or Sandroba You mean to push them into the sheriff seat? At worst it's a scum roleblocker, but I actually don't like either of them, because they both have made mistakes in their approach. Sandroba's suggestion to lynch sinani206 is just bad, and BC's original plan with only 3 targets was very open to manipulation. I would lean towards giving BC the seat now. I explained why, even if you think sinani lynch was at the time a bad lynch, that still makes him more likely to be town than scum. You have to vote for sandroba, because I know you agree with the logic
The logic being that a scum sandroba would not dare put himself out there by pushing the easiest day 1 lynch in the world (sinani's 3 day 1 lynches or so back that up).
I would actually completely disagree with you if I was to think sandroba must be town because of it. I would actually not think a scum sandroba would dare push such a blatantly easy lynch with such a bad case backing it up. But I don't know how lazy he is when he's scum. If I recall correctly he can be pretty goddamn lazy.
I find it weird that you do it the other way around, namely saying that the lynch is actually harder than something a scumdroba would attempt. At best I think it's a null tell, at worst I think sandroba is slightly scummy because of it.
So no, I don't agree with the logic, as even if what you say is valid and sinani206 is somehow a hard lynch, I think a scumdroba is good enough to actually push a hard lynch day 1.
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On November 27 2011 06:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Palmar: He was third on my "likely town" list of those people who run for mayor. However from the very beginning I did not like the fact that so many people voted for him. Either that's a bunch of noobs who voted for him because their already was a bunch of people voteing for him ("hey this guy is first, if the majority thinks he's good and I am not understanding this wall of texts I'm probably better off voteing this guy as well")
It's sort of like political elections in the united states, you can vote for a third party but they aren't going to win so you are just throwing your vote away.
Better to use your vote to help one of the main candidates who actually has a chance to win. Better to sway the election in favor of the least bad candidate, then throw away your vote on the perfect one. I think the "bandwagon effect" is due to this fact, and is more a result of the game being so large rather than it being filled with "noobs".
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By the way, by that logic, I must be town too, as I would say YM is a far more capable player than sinani206?
Btw, YM, can you claim please?
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The fact that we're trying to apply recursive logic to this is disheartening.
Also, something syllo said earlier now makes me think he's scum. Basically he told someone to vote sandro if he thinks syllo is town.
That is the exact same line sandro used in PYP:I for the Mig candidacy. He said that he thinks syllo is town, therefore he's voting Mig because syllo supports Mig. That is terrible logic.
BC pointed it out I think, but I wanted to reiterate this. I now think syllo is scum.
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Finland5948 Posts
Oh leaning scum on you then, that's unfortunate. When I say he is a "hard lynch", I mean going after sinani as scumdroba offers no benefits at all for him. Someone rational like sandroba would not do it as scum 90++% of the time
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Finland5948 Posts
WBG even assuming that nonsensical comparison was true and players were more likely to say that as scum, the situation isn't the same at all.
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On November 27 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
The fact that we're trying to apply recursive logic to this is disheartening.
I'm using this to point out how strange I find syllo's logic to be. I am town, but for other reasons that that.
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On November 27 2011 07:04 Palmar wrote:
By the way, by that logic, I must be town too, as I would say YM is a far more capable player than sinani206?
Btw, YM, can you claim please?
YM is a safer lynch because people are actually openly suspicious of him and as you know people wouldn't react to lynch in the same manner. You played Resurrection, so you must understand the underlying logic
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On November 27 2011 07:06 syllogism wrote:
Oh leaning scum on you then, that's unfortunate. When I say he is a "hard lynch", I mean going after sinani as scumdroba offers no benefits at all for him. Someone rational like sandroba would not do it as scum 90++% of the time
sandroba is rational, correct.
Then since he's rational and pretty intelligent he would know the best thing to do as scum is to be completely unreadable.
Pushing sinani, as has been proven by the very discussion we're having right now, makes sandroba completely unreadable.
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Finland5948 Posts
Palmar please shoot me tonight so I don't have to deal with this, thanks in advance
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On November 27 2011 07:08 syllogism wrote:
WBG even assuming that nonsensical comparison was true and players were more likely to say that as scum, the situation isn't the same at all.
Of course people are more likely to say that as scum, generally people here on TL use terrible logic as scum.
Sandro's no exception, how do you think I caught him as scum well before you did in PYP? Why do you think I distrusted your circle?
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Finland5948 Posts
Mostly because you are a player who is incapable of trusting others or being convinced
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On November 27 2011 07:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 07:04 Palmar wrote:
By the way, by that logic, I must be town too, as I would say YM is a far more capable player than sinani206?
Btw, YM, can you claim please? YM is a safer lynch because people are actually openly suspicious of him and as you know people wouldn't react to lynch in the same manner. You played Resurrection, so you must understand the underlying logic
I played in resurrection, But I'm not sure what you're referring to, I kinda ignored everything other townies said that game.
The reason people are suspicious of YM is that I pushed a valid case on him. Sandroba could have easily done the same with sinani206 no? It's not like YM came into the game automatically suspicious. The reason people are suspicious is because there is a reason to be suspicious of him.
I just don't understand your logic syllo. I'm actually hoping you're town so we can talk about this after the game, because I can't remember ever seeing something so weird come from you, I must be missing something, or, you're scum.
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I'm a townie.
I dunno, like people in this game are assuming I have a grudge on Palmar or something.
Far from it. I fear his scum play which is why I tried warning everyone to not vote for Palmar, which ended up happening anyway. Palmar did an omgus on me but he did it in his standard wordy way which is designed to sway everyone. I recommend killing someone else Palmar, but either way there's lots of information been gained from this day imo.
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The reason people are suspicious is because there is a reason to be suspicious of him.
Can I just note how fucking suave this line is? Like, that is 100% designed to re-affirm the incepted case against me.
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On November 27 2011 07:12 syllogism wrote:
Mostly because you are a player who is incapable of trusting others or being convinced
nah.
People convince me of their alignments all the time, I just don't generally go around yelling that they're town unless they're about to die.
However, I do go about yelling that people are scum, because often the sheep townies only listen to loud arguments.
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Finland5948 Posts
So Palmar would you like to explain to me which of us two (me and sandroba) do you think is scum? Or both? If we are both scum, why am I so obviously linking us together? You've played a scum game with me and know how careful I am, so I find it extremely unlikely that you think it's possible for us both to be scum. Thus you have to explain to me which one of us is scum or if neither, why aren't you willing to vote for sandroba over BC. I know you are usually willing to believe me when I'm pushing for something, so clearly something is different here
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On November 27 2011 07:21 youngminii wrote:
I'm a townie.
I dunno, like people in this game are assuming I have a grudge on Palmar or something.
Far from it. I fear his scum play which is why I tried warning everyone to not vote for Palmar, which ended up happening anyway. Palmar did an omgus on me but he did it in his standard wordy way which is designed to sway everyone. I recommend killing someone else Palmar, but either way there's lots of information been gained from this day imo.
I recognize it's not a grudge. Usually people don't compliment people they have a grudge on. I actually have respect for you as a player as well, and that respect is one of the reasons I think you're scum.
Why did you immediately counter my push for mayor? Did you have a reason to believe I'm scum? You probably remember how powerful I can be for town from BC's AA and RoL's RTM. Wouldn't it be the sensible way to approach my campaign to ask me hard questions and poke and prod me until you've got a feeling I am town? Wouldn't it be great to have a town palmar for your mayor?
Instead you chose to flat out ignore the possibility of me being town, and pushed straight for simply not electing me?
Can you explain why you did this?
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