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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:19 supersoft wrote: i wish this game was a PM game. It's extremely difficult to get some information... based on the current vote patterns and Palmars absence combined with his denial to post his lynchcandidate, I get a really bad feeling I mean if sandro or BC were scum... Syllo, what do you think is BC scum and if so, why hasn't he enough votes to beat sandro... I think it's nearly impossible that Palmar and sandro are town while BC is scum. If Palmar is scum it's not that surprising and assuming BC is scum they might just be waiting to see if BC can be pushed over without scum committing into supporting him in mass. I suppose it's a bit strange. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
What do you guys think about Palmars YM-lynchcandidate. What do you think about sinani, sandrobas lynchcandidate? Palmars hesitation to add prplhz and erandorr on the scummy peoplelist | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:26 syllogism wrote: If Palmar is scum it's not that surprising and assuming BC is scum they might just be waiting to see if BC can be pushed over without scum committing into supporting him in mass. I suppose it's a bit strange. So you think Palmar and BC might be scum together. The only townie with votes would be sandroba then... Really? Why don't they drain a few votes from Palmar to BC. I mean our doubts are currently delivering reasons for them for such a switch. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote: I don't have a good read on him and he tends to push scum objectives quite liberally and convincingly as scum. Sandroba on the other hand appears towny so far and wouldn't be as damaging even if he somehow happens to be scum. I go to sleep then work and come back to see you trying to chase people away from voting for me because If I am mafia i push my objectives liberally and convincingly? Did you not read the last few games I have been town and done the exact same thing? Stop fear mongering players into switching their votes. If sandroba wants to win the election (in which he is ahead of me at the moment as it is) then have him come in here and convince people to swap votes. Instead you are doing more of the campaigning or "convincing" of people to swap over to him while providing nothing substantial to provide your reasoning. You fear monger. You mention my abilities in relation to my mafia side skill but completely ignore my town side. You mention "the third candidate in an election is most likely a mafia candidate" quoted here On November 27 2011 03:30 syllogism wrote: If there's someone comfortable with both palmar and sandroba, please switch to sandroba because palmar is a lock already and the current #3 candidate is more likely to be scum and is quite close in votes. When this is also not true. When votes are this close there may be mafia people voting on the list but it is far less likely the third choice is a mafia pick. I have 7 votes. Mafia has 16 members. Not only that but factor in that of all the candidates I have received the most abuse en mass from players with near no defense from anyone. Most people in that case are usually town. Mafia tend to jump out and defend eachother whether they realize it or not. Of all the candidates I am the one person who has continued doing exactly the same thing I started with. I am logically defending myself. I have offered a plan that although now modified began town discussions past "I am awesome vote for me". I have continued to push for town to be more focused. I will come out and comment on inconsistencies people have or point out glaring scare tactics/scumlike play from players. You are scare mongering people into voting for sandroba which is what prpl got flamed for doing when he was in the running. If prpl was scummy for it then you are even moreso now by continuing. Start seriously playing, and stop obviously trying to manipulate townies to do your bidding. A townie has no reason to hide information like you are. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:30 supersoft wrote: So you think Palmar and BC might be scum together. The only townie with votes would be sandroba then... Really? Why don't they drain a few votes from Palmar to BC. I mean our doubts are currently delivering reasons for them for such a switch. It's a possibility, but I'm not really interested in linking people when basically all we have to go by is the voting list. No one has really been forced to voice their opinion on lynches and there have been no flips. I think it's more likely that only one of them is scum and it's even possible neither is. Anyway, there are a lot of possibilities; for instance BC could be scum but doesn't really want to be elected as it would put him into spotlight and require much more effort from him. If I was scum I wouldn't want to be elected, even if it benefited scum as I'm quite lazy. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 27 2011 03:33 syllogism wrote: And greymist is a great candidate; while he has played a few games on TL, he isn't a real veteran and not someone who has yet demonstrated capability to lead town or provide top level analysis, despite possibly being a solid player. As always, the top priority should be to elect someone who will likely get shot without protection. Of course, it's always a possibility that the person in question is scum but it's still a risk that should always be taken rather than "yielding" by electing a less qualified player. Also, I do find sandroba to be more likely town than even greymist. Do you honestly think, that if Palmar is scum and he occasionally busses a teammate, that even you are ever going to get him lynched? Do you honestly think you can tell Palmar's alignment by him posting one liners explaining basic concepts to noobs and talking about unimplementable plans on day1? You say that it is worth the risk but that's not something I like. Town can protect the veterans even if they are not elected, we have medics and who knows how many. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler should definitely be protected. I don't think town should take risks on day1 on TL. TL towns are pretty good and there are a lot of veterans in this game who will catch scum. Why do you want to take risks on day1? Also, you do not have to be mayor to take charge. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler and wherebugsgo and kitaman27 will take charge anyway, they will just not be in an overly dangerous position for town. It's cool that you think that sandroba is town but your argument is not very good and your opinion is skewed by your meta with him. I don't find sandroba to be more likely to be town than GreYMisT, but I don't find any reason to think that GreYMisT is any more town than sandroba. I don't presume that I can tell anything about their alignment accurately enough on day1 to put them in office. I think that it is extremely weird that Palmar already has so many people who are voting for him because they think he's town, just because he is active. I know that TL scum has a proclivity, a propensity, to be somewhat lurky and inactive but recently wherebugsgo has turned all TL scum meta upside down and screwed everybody in two games in a row. I don't want to get screwed just because some townies thought they wanted to take an unnecessary risk at the start of the game for no reason at all. This game is won through hard work and analysis, not through overly risky moves. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On November 27 2011 01:53 Curu wrote: Somebody has never played with sinani before roflmao. nah serejai is just a troll | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Super, just quickly, there seems to be a few repetitions on the list. I see mattchew, DeadlyPsycho and minus_human so far. If those players are here, can they please confirm who their vote has gone to? About Palmar's YM-lynchcandidate, I get the feeling that its on there because of the early attack on his campaign, and i don't see it as a good enough reason to have him there. While I don't feel ym has contributed that much, I don't feel he's shown much of a scum tendency, just an opposition to Palmar's campaign. Sinani...I can't even comment about this, because there feels like a lot of subtext based on previous games. Though, I do feel like sinani hasn't exactly demonstrated logical play, I can't say much because it sounds like he does this all the time. In which case I would be against getting him lynched. But I'm sure the veterans can clear up that matter. I would quite like to see Plamar's supporters and see how much they've contributed as well. We may be able to get some indicators there. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
One of the items I am looking for in deciding where to place my vote is which candidate has not received many posts defending him. BC fits that. I stated before the factions aligning themselves behind Palmar and Sandroba was an interesting phenomena. No such faction has developed on BC. I'm still not ready to vote yet but I am leaning more to BC atm than I was yesterday. At the least I would be more comfortable with him as sheriff than either Sandroba or Palmar. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:38 prplhz wrote: Do you honestly think, that if Palmar is scum and he occasionally busses a teammate, that even you are ever going to get him lynched? Do you honestly think you can tell Palmar's alignment by him posting one liners explaining basic concepts to noobs and talking about unimplementable plans on day1? You say that it is worth the risk but that's not something I like. Town can protect the veterans even if they are not elected, we have medics and who knows how many. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler should definitely be protected. I don't think town should take risks on day1 on TL. TL towns are pretty good and there are a lot of veterans in this game who will catch scum. Why do you want to take risks on day1? Also, you do not have to be mayor to take charge. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler and wherebugsgo and kitaman27 will take charge anyway, they will just not be in an overly dangerous position for town. It's cool that you think that sandroba is town but your argument is not very good and your opinion is skewed by your meta with him. I don't find sandroba to be more likely to be town than GreYMisT, but I don't find any reason to think that GreYMisT is any more town than sandroba. I don't presume that I can tell anything about their alignment accurately enough on day1 to put them in office. I think that it is extremely weird that Palmar already has so many people who are voting for him because they think he's town, just because he is active. I know that TL scum has a proclivity, a propensity, to be somewhat lurky and inactive but recently wherebugsgo has turned all TL scum meta upside down and screwed everybody in two games in a row. I don't want to get screwed just because some townies thought they wanted to take an unnecessary risk at the start of the game for no reason at all. This game is won through hard work and analysis, not through overly risky moves. What is this about Palmar? I don't particularly want him elected, I want sandroba elected. Electing good players is standard play and should always be done, unless for some reason all the good players appear incredibly scumming. My argument as to why I think sandroba is town is completely rational, correct and I once again encourage you to ask sandroba after the game what he thinks about it. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:36 syllogism wrote: BC all I care about right now is getting my candidate of choice elected. Your scum play is certainly more manipulative than Sandroba's, which was my point. Yes you do care about getting your candidate in. However you are not giving reasons why sandroba is better. You are fear mongering and saying "well if hes mafia we are fucked". You have not analyzed me as to why I am more likely mafia and why I should be denied an elected position. You have instead said "if he is red he is more manipulative" Everything I have done you can read at and see is fairly clear and straightforward. If i suddenly change playstyles I would get fucked pretty fast. Why as red would I ever propose a plan to help organize a town? Why would I try and help clear a role that is so good against my own team? Everything I have done is town aligned. You do not like my idea, fine thats good for you. However I have not changed my position. The candidate you are supporting has. He has made wtf posts more than once and has shown inconsistency. Not only that he seemingly relies on other people to defend him and run his campaign for him. Why the hell would he trust you to get him elected. The only way you two would know eachothers role to do this day 1 is by being scum buddies. You can say you are certain he would do x as town and x as red but you can never know. Every player who has experience learns from mistakes and alters their playstyle to adapt. You have no way of knowing his alignment with a level of certainty to perform as you are without having information town does not have as a whole. You are instead of rationally trying to debunk me as a candidate through legitmate means (analyzing my posts, attempting to link me terribly to clues, etc...) are instead attempting to use my "meta" per se without giving context of my actual play to people in this thread. This is not town behaviour. Wanting your elected official in office is, the way you are doing it is not. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
There's that generic whining again. When are you going to accept being outplayed by me instead of making excuses!? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 27 2011 02:32 Hassybaby wrote: kita, where do you stand about grey and annul? Grey did nearly the same thing as what he is doing now in PYPI with a mid-cycle election campaign as town as the "elect me because the other candidates suck" candidate. The only thing he has mentioned of value is that we should start the double lynch early. Otherwise, the lynch all liars/sinani lynch doesn't really do much for me. I don't think I'd vote for him right now. Annul is generally pretty competent, as long as he doesn't get in a shouting match with someone and spam up the thread for 30 pages. He hasn't really posted much of value either besides encouraging newbies to post and supporting a day 2 double lynch, but I'd probably prefer him over the other candidates. BC's votes seem to be based on name and experience only. I'm curious why he isn't pushing hard to be elected considering he could very well beat out sandroba. Currently, I think the best approach with detectives is to not coordinate them and allow them to select appropriate targets. With framers, you don't necessarily want to check the most experienced player or scummiest player, but the players you are going to have a tough time getting a read on. Sheriff is still up for grabs. Gogo ##Vote kitaman27 We should start looking for good lynch candidates. Here are the things that we should be looking for: 1) People who support a candidate, but then attempt to distance themselves by casting doubt on the candidate they are voting for. 2) People that refuse to contribute by playing the newbie card. 3) People that are attempting to blend in without posting anything of value. I don't quite have a list of names to consider yet, but I'll throw some people out there later if I have time. | ||
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