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On November 27 2011 04:41 Hassybaby wrote:
I'm back for a bit because my guests are late, so I got a few mins at least
Super, just quickly, there seems to be a few repetitions on the list. I see mattchew, DeadlyPsycho and minus_human so far. If those players are here, can they please confirm who their vote has gone to?
About Palmar's YM-lynchcandidate, I get the feeling that its on there because of the early attack on his campaign, and i don't see it as a good enough reason to have him there. While I don't feel ym has contributed that much, I don't feel he's shown much of a scum tendency, just an opposition to Palmar's campaign.
YM tends to be a little bit scummy from time to time:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2011 03:05 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 02:51 deconduo wrote:On November 26 2011 02:40 youngminii wrote:On November 26 2011 02:28 deconduo wrote:
Pretty sure WBG, Palmar and Sandroba are mafia, but thats just off gut reads. BC's plan is dumb, dunno why he's still defending it. It won't work. LAL is dumb, don't do it. Mafia are going to take out the veterans early, need medic protection for:
kitaman27, sandroba, Jackal58, Palmar, prplhz, deconduo, Coagulation, BloodyC0bbler, supersoft, annul.
Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates. This is stupid Mafia won't (only) kill veterans beause A. Mafia is most certainly stacked with many vets (as pointed out earlier), killing existing vets will only serve to out the mafia vets B. Obvious vets have medic protC. wifom Mafia have enough KP to blast through the vets. Imagine day 3 where all the town vets are dead, and mafia are just leading the town in circles. The remaining mafia vets won't get lynched if there's no town alive good enough to go toe to toe with them and convince the rest of the town. YM, all decon wanted is medicprotection for certain people. Your post doesn't make any sense, because your paragraph B. says that veterans are "obviously medic protected" - You say it's stupid to protect the vets, because they are medicprotected. That is extremely poor logic. And it's extremely scummy to tell the medics not to protect the more experienced players rather than anyone else.
On November 27 2011 04:41 Hassybaby wrote:
I would quite like to see Plamar's supporters and see how much they've contributed as well. We may be able to get some indicators there.
and this is a strong point. I am the only one on that list, that is active...
I got to think about that if it's a good or a bad sign :D
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On November 27 2011 04:42 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 04:38 prplhz wrote:On November 27 2011 03:33 syllogism wrote:
And greymist is a great candidate; while he has played a few games on TL, he isn't a real veteran and not someone who has yet demonstrated capability to lead town or provide top level analysis, despite possibly being a solid player. As always, the top priority should be to elect someone who will likely get shot without protection. Of course, it's always a possibility that the person in question is scum but it's still a risk that should always be taken rather than "yielding" by electing a less qualified player. Also, I do find sandroba to be more likely town than even greymist. Do you honestly think, that if Palmar is scum and he occasionally busses a teammate, that even you are ever going to get him lynched? Do you honestly think you can tell Palmar's alignment by him posting one liners explaining basic concepts to noobs and talking about unimplementable plans on day1? You say that it is worth the risk but that's not something I like. Town can protect the veterans even if they are not elected, we have medics and who knows how many. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler should definitely be protected. I don't think town should take risks on day1 on TL. TL towns are pretty good and there are a lot of veterans in this game who will catch scum. Why do you want to take risks on day1? Also, you do not have to be mayor to take charge. Palmar and sandroba and BloodyC0bbler and wherebugsgo and kitaman27 will take charge anyway, they will just not be in an overly dangerous position for town. It's cool that you think that sandroba is town but your argument is not very good and your opinion is skewed by your meta with him. I don't find sandroba to be more likely to be town than GreYMisT, but I don't find any reason to think that GreYMisT is any more town than sandroba. I don't presume that I can tell anything about their alignment accurately enough on day1 to put them in office. I think that it is extremely weird that Palmar already has so many people who are voting for him because they think he's town, just because he is active. I know that TL scum has a proclivity, a propensity, to be somewhat lurky and inactive but recently wherebugsgo has turned all TL scum meta upside down and screwed everybody in two games in a row. I don't want to get screwed just because some townies thought they wanted to take an unnecessary risk at the start of the game for no reason at all. This game is won through hard work and analysis, not through overly risky moves. What is this about Palmar? I don't particularly want him elected, I want sandroba elected. Electing good players is standard play and should always be done, unless for some reason all the good players appear incredibly scumming. My argument as to why I think sandroba is town is completely rational, correct and I once again encourage you to ask sandroba after the game what he thinks about it.
The only way you could know you are correct that he is town or red is that you already know his alignment. This in turn means that you are red and he and you are scumbuddies or that mafia is scared shitless of me getting sheriff. If you would like to rephrase and remove your scumslip I am willing to let you try.
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No, an argument can be correct even if it in this very specific turns out to be wrong. That is to say, the argument states x is more likely than y but occasionally of course y will occur.
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kitaman is town. I'm dropping out and putting my support behind him. I know everyone who voted me and wanted to see me in office will be sorely disappointed. but kita is the only competent player in the game who isn't advocating
a) lynching sinani -_-
b) controlling the blues and making them check into like 4 people that palmar, bc and wbg deem scummy
I don't trust palmar and all the random non poster votes on sandroba and bc scare the hell out of me.
vote kita everyone
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 27 2011 04:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 02:32 Hassybaby wrote:
kita, where do you stand about grey and annul? Grey did nearly the same thing as what he is doing now in PYPI with a mid-cycle election campaign as town as the "elect me because the other candidates suck" candidate. The only thing he has mentioned of value is that we should start the double lynch early. Otherwise, the lynch all liars/sinani lynch doesn't really do much for me. I don't think I'd vote for him right now. Annul is generally pretty competent, as long as he doesn't get in a shouting match with someone and spam up the thread for 30 pages. He hasn't really posted much of value either besides encouraging newbies to post and supporting a day 2 double lynch, but I'd probably prefer him over the other candidates. BC's votes seem to be based on name and experience only. I'm curious why he isn't pushing hard to be elected considering he could very well beat out sandroba. Currently, I think the best approach with detectives is to not coordinate them and allow them to select appropriate targets. With framers, you don't necessarily want to check the most experienced player or scummiest player, but the players you are going to have a tough time getting a read on. Sheriff is still up for grabs. Gogo ##Vote kitaman27We should start looking for good lynch candidates. Here are the things that we should be looking for: 1) People who support a candidate, but then attempt to distance themselves by casting doubt on the candidate they are voting for. 2) People that refuse to contribute by playing the newbie card. 3) People that are attempting to blend in without posting anything of value. I don't quite have a list of names to consider yet, but I'll throw some people out there later if I have time.
if your back in the running hopefully their are enough people who can get behind you
#vote kitaman27 + Show Spoiler +i know i probably shouldn't change my votes but until now it didn't look like kita would win so i changed to grey, but apparently grey isn't as experienced as i had perceived him to be (according to syllo)
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On November 27 2011 04:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 02:32 Hassybaby wrote:
kita, where do you stand about grey and annul? Grey did nearly the same thing as what he is doing now in PYPI with a mid-cycle election campaign as town as the "elect me because the other candidates suck" candidate. The only thing he has mentioned of value is that we should start the double lynch early. Otherwise, the lynch all liars/sinani lynch doesn't really do much for me. I don't think I'd vote for him right now. Annul is generally pretty competent, as long as he doesn't get in a shouting match with someone and spam up the thread for 30 pages. He hasn't really posted much of value either besides encouraging newbies to post and supporting a day 2 double lynch, but I'd probably prefer him over the other candidates. BC's votes seem to be based on name and experience only. I'm curious why he isn't pushing hard to be elected considering he could very well beat out sandroba. Currently, I think the best approach with detectives is to not coordinate them and allow them to select appropriate targets. With framers, you don't necessarily want to check the most experienced player or scummiest player, but the players you are going to have a tough time getting a read on. Sheriff is still up for grabs. Gogo ##Vote kitaman27We should start looking for good lynch candidates. Here are the things that we should be looking for: 1) People who support a candidate, but then attempt to distance themselves by casting doubt on the candidate they are voting for. 2) People that refuse to contribute by playing the newbie card. 3) People that are attempting to blend in without posting anything of value. I don't quite have a list of names to consider yet, but I'll throw some people out there later if I have time.
Based on name and experience only? I am the only candidate to not talk about my own experience and name in this entire election. You then tell newer players who do not neccesarily know how to use their role to ignore the candidates and act solo and instead recommend people randomly herp derp? I am not pushing to win this election because the choice in my head is simple. If you use logic and read my posts and then read roba's you will see I am a far logical choice for this game. I have been consistent where he has not. I proposed a plan, that is now modified, that helps unify a town. This plan also forced discussion that allowed information that can be analyzed on people who participated.
You're post served to discredit my campaign without actually posting anything relevant against it. What is with you people?
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I wish we could just RNG two people into the offices because I feel like that has a MUCH greater chance to get two town players into office.
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Why don't you post any scumreads you have, BC?
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I don't know who to vote for right now. I'm still on palmar and as mentioned earlier (the very first reallife day I think?) the most dangerous thing for me was, that he got so many votes so early on. Most of them from people who just voted him without an explanation. Once he started being more open I told myself to screw it and go for the vote since noone is voting for BC or wbg.
Actually I'm maybe willing to change back to bc again. Yeah I'm still scared that he might be mafia, not because I think he is but if he actually is mafia we're screwed according to vets.
Sandro of all the candidates is probably the one I'm not going to vote for. Yeah he changed his attitude a bit and he said he's going to use 4 double lynches in a row which is the way to go with 8 KPs but that's about it I think is favoring sandro.
(at this point in time I'm guessing every candidate is pro taking 4 double lynches in a row unless there's a good reason not to do so?)
Actually I'm changing back to wbg for now to see what's possible. The reason I changed from wbg to palmar was because I thought wbg is to emotional to be mayor and because palmar included the changed plan in his campaign. However I'm willing to believe that this emotional behavior is actually a good thing. Not for a mayor but as someone pointed out I'd rather have a clear townie in the office. I don't think scum would get that emotional because they're watching everything they're saying. So to say: wbg was wrong to get that emotional earlier on. I don't think a mafia wbg would make that kind of mistake but rather a townie wbgs who thinks what he says is really logical and just can't understand why people are not agreeing and therefore gets pissed.
If there's a flaw in my thoughts please let me now. Right now I'm just way less worried that he might turn out red than everyone else because of that. If that vote is not going to matter I'm going to change it but I'd like to see what's possible.
##Unvote Palmar
##Vote wherebugsgo
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On November 27 2011 04:52 redFF wrote:
kitaman is town. I'm dropping out and putting my support behind him. I know everyone who voted me and wanted to see me in office will be sorely disappointed. but kita is the only competent player in the game who isn't advocating
a) lynching sinani -_-
b) controlling the blues and making them check into like 4 people that palmar, bc and wbg deem scummy
I don't trust palmar and all the random non poster votes on sandroba and bc scare the hell out of me.
vote kita everyone
You're the only person who voted for you. A simple "I'm changing my vote" would suffice. Instead, you sound like scum pushing an agenda by dropping out of an election you're not really part of in the first place.
redFF
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I'm a followed. Here comes kita
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wbg is a horrible choice for sherrif. Seriously. He and Palmar are too tight knit. I want a balanced office.
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On November 27 2011 05:01 supersoft wrote:
Why don't you post any scumreads you have, BC?
because a scum read that is currently based on day 1 analysis is not solid enough. It instead is a list of players who seem off to you based on gut reads. The only one I will mention as I have been directly confronting is syllo. His play is spotty, but its day 1.
Anyone who has directly proposed the town from trying to organize how to act I believe is suspect but most people have not given me enough reason to push their lynch at this point.
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yeah what supersoft said is probably a mayor issue I didn't think of 
Kita is another option I'd like as he seems pretty town to me. I still got the feeling sandro is scum so I'm not going to vote for him. Yeah it's all gutfeeling right now but it's really hard to get something point on on day1
Still considering my vote. Whoever wants my vote, make me
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On November 27 2011 05:01 Toadesstern wrote:
I don't know who to vote for right now. I'm still on palmar and as mentioned earlier (the very first reallife day I think?) the most dangerous thing for me was, that he got so many votes so early on. Most of them from people who just voted him without an explanation. Once he started being more open I told myself to screw it and go for the vote since noone is voting for BC or wbg.
Actually I'm maybe willing to change back to bc again. Yeah I'm still scared that he might be mafia, not because I think he is but if he actually is mafia we're screwed according to vets.
Sandro of all the candidates is probably the one I'm not going to vote for. Yeah he changed his attitude a bit and he said he's going to use 4 double lynches in a row which is the way to go with 8 KPs but that's about it I think is favoring sandro.
(at this point in time I'm guessing every candidate is pro taking 4 double lynches in a row unless there's a good reason not to do so?)
Actually I'm changing back to wbg for now to see what's possible. The reason I changed from wbg to palmar was because I thought wbg is to emotional to be mayor and because palmar included the changed plan in his campaign. However I'm willing to believe that this emotional behavior is actually a good thing. Not for a mayor but as someone pointed out I'd rather have a clear townie in the office. I don't think scum would get that emotional because they're watching everything they're saying. So to say: wbg was wrong to get that emotional earlier on. I don't think a mafia wbg would make that kind of mistake but rather a townie wbgs who thinks what he says is really logical and just can't understand why people are not agreeing and therefore gets pissed.
If there's a flaw in my thoughts please let me now. Right now I'm just way less worried that he might turn out red than everyone else because of that. If that vote is not going to matter I'm going to change it but I'd like to see what's possible.
##Unvote Palmar
##Vote wherebugsgo
I would love if you voted for me but if you do or don't please do it based on your own read of my performance. Do not base it on the fact other vets have said "we are screwed if he gets elected". Any of them could be mafia. Any of them could prefer another candidate. Any of them could have a longstanding grudge with me and act on that. If you want to determine my play from previous games and base a vote on that check out pyp3 for my best town game, you could also read pick there power 1 or 2 and get an idea of my town play as well. For mafia, flamewheels mafia XLII or Bill Murray's mafia XXVIII
If after those reads you decide that I should not be mafia go for it. But please do not do so based on a player you are not familiar with saying that I am too scary. You do not have enough information on me or on the player giving that information they are giving is trustworthy.
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I just filtered kita and I've no idea why he is getting votes right now, could someone please enlighten me. Perhaps Match?
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Liking Kitaman's plan. Palmar was my first choice for mayor and since he's probably getting it I'm switching my vote to Kitaman to make him sheriff.
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On November 27 2011 05:10 Match wrote:
Liking Kitaman's plan. Palmar was my first choice for mayor and since he's probably getting it I'm switching my vote to Kitaman to make him sheriff.
What is his plan? What do you like about it?
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