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Hassybaby
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wherebugsgo
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=169#3370 Filter spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdDNsN1dIbnNWcXJVaEFzU1AwN05sdUE&output=html (I don't think it has the replaced names in there though) | ||
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Hassybaby
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wherebugsgo
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Between Palmar, BC, and prpl I'd most like to see prpl get lynched. Can we get that working? Prpl is at 7 votes. This doesn't need to be about BC or Palmar today. Zeks, it seems, is doomed to lynch. No one is unvoting him, which strongly suggests he is town. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote: This is an obscenely close vote. Between Palmar, BC, and prpl I'd most like to see prpl get lynched. Can we get that working? Prpl is at 7 votes. This doesn't need to be about BC or Palmar today. Zeks, it seems, is doomed to lynch. No one is unvoting him, which strongly suggests he is town. Funny how 1/3rd of the people give 0 justification to lynching me And the other 2/3rds are lynching me 100% based on clues and its written in the OP that clues are meant to be vague yet having me die is supposed to validate something And most of the people voting me have the mentality that "oh Zeks has like 20 votes he's doomed can't save him now everyone else is voting him gotta go with the herd" Not to mention I claim vigi and not a single soul has fathomed the possibility that I am ACTUALLY a vigi People are playing way too selfish in this game. You guys just don't want to stick up for me and change your mind on me cause you guys are afraid of being FoSed. Look at this bandwagon does it even make any sense to you? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:09 supersoft wrote: ignore him. As long as he votes BC his reasoning doesn't matter. I believe BC is more likely to be scum than Palmar and one of them has to be scum. If he then votes BC, it's okay for me - even if he votes me also. (even if it doesn't make any sense at all, since I was the first player accusing BC lol) "As long as he votes BC his reasoning doesn't matter" its this type of logic that is getting innocent people killed Everyones voting BC based on gut feeling without even giving that guy a chance. Honestly him and Ace have made the most sense out of everyone in the whole game. Sucks for him that he actually had work to go to for the whole day so he's defenseless from the mob Is this game just about spamming a lot cause it seems like those who do exude the most influence on everyone | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [b]SUPER-OFFICIAL, TOTALLY THE MOD, Vote Tally So Far: zeks: 21 Lanaia sinani206 Mattchew vaderseven GreYMisT Toadesstern Benjef Kurumi hyshes Ciryandor Risen jaybrundage Pigsquirrel DeadlyPsycho Sandroba Match annul ohN tube BlinD-RawR intrigue tbh I don't have a very strong scum read on many of these players. Highlighted are suspicious names to me. Sandro why are you voting zeks? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Remember, do not take anything I say as absolute truths, I have no additional information than what is in the thread, and this same information is available to all of us. I often revisit my own reads depending on how games unfold. Use this document only as guidance on what I thought about the game on day 2. Given how little information we have at this point, I would advice caution when using this list in analysis. Tonight, vigilantes and lurker banes should go on a killing spree against the inactive town. It is not a risk because even if mafia is all being very active, then town has lost the game anyway. The best chance is to go after the lurkers hard tonight. Get rid of the plague so you can start building a constructive town. This is more important than any of my reads. Keep providing reasons for your reads, keep the activity levels up. Do NOT allow people to hide in the shadows. Anyone who is very, very active is usually not scum. Like of the top 10 players by post-count in the thread, there is probably very few scum. prplhz First of all, this guy should be a lynch target. I have no reason to believe he is town anymore. He flopped on his mayoral campaign at first sight of trouble, he has yet to contribute anything substantial to the game, and he has really not accused anyone but me. And safe to say, I'm an easy target to go for. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but I normally have decent reads on prplhz (refer to the last two games I played with him), and now I'm just not getting that same feeling from his posting. It seems more careful somehow. Less decisive and less informative. Risen If this guy is mafia he's really good at it. the only case against him is the "scumslip" when almost everything else he has done screams town. Sandroba correctly pointed out that with the amount and quality of work he's putting in, it's very unlikely he is scum. In addition, I would advice everyone who is still in doubt to read his day 1 filter, he really does look like town in his first few posts. I like the fact he's not afraid of changing his mind and gives ample explanations to the thought process as he does something like that. Being consistant in your reads is not a town-tell, it's a stubborn tell and has nothing to do with alignment. It's okay to change your mind if you provide valid reasons. annul Another guy who is likely to be town. Just look at how aggressive and decisive he is in pretty much everything he is doing. He may not always be correct or logical, but he pushes whatever he believes with no fear at all. I like him and I think town would do well to keep him around. sandroba Almost definitely town. The way he's willing to adjust his reads to what's going on in the game, the way he's willing to take responsibility for lynches and pushing shit, he's the closest thing to a confirmed town we have. He should be jailed by the sheriff or protected by medics tonight. I don't trust the sheriff, so I'd go with the medic part. redFF redFF never looks like town when he is town. But I think he may be trying this game, but I'm not willing to give him any color. Just keep an eye on him will you? Serejai Resident troll. Might well be town, should probably be dealt with through a vigi shot at some point. I would advice against doing it tonight though, as he is at least posting, however useless that is. Vigilantes should be firing almost exclusively into complete inactives tonight. wherebugsgo Fuck it, he's town. Don't come back to me crying if he's not though, his scum play cannot be deduced through simple analysis, you either have to catch him pushing something incorrect when mafia needs it, or you're just gonna have to DT check him. Even then, don't lynch him until he stops making sense. deconduo When an irishman can't get a green color, something is wrong. Kill this sonofabitch. Benjef Most of his posts are observations on the game, instead of input into it. Read his filter if you do not believe me. He seems to be making a lot of wrong calls. There is a chance this guy is just clueless town, but I wouldn't give him benefit of the doubt at the moment. Hier I'm having a hard time he can comfortably be posting so much content and so blatantly opposing town agenda without being clueless town. He posts with no fear whatsoever, almost to the point of trolling like a veteran player. I don't think he should be autolynched because he might very well flip town at this point. risk.nuke Every post risk.nuke has made has been very sensible so far. Only problem with him is that he isn't actually participating or pushing his ideas all too much. If he raises his activity and starts contributing and raising his points to the people that will listen, then he's town. If he stays under the radar, he needs to be checked. But for now, I'm going with green. vaderseven Dunnoh, something about him is making me think he's green. But maybe I'm being too lenient, nothing he has said has made too much sense. supersoft He's gonna be on the right side of this lynch, but remember mafia already knows what I'll flip. I'm not ready to give him a pass as town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:00 vaderseven wrote: Can someone post that list of filter links again I lost it. -_- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdDNsN1dIbnNWcXJVaEFzU1AwN05sdUE&output=html not updated to fit with the replacements. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote: I unvoted Hier, not wbg ##Unvote: Ace ##Vote: Risen Soap wtf is this? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Having read every profile, I do feel like the clue solely points to him and would love anyone that has read everyprofile to say it doesnt. Beyond that though: On November 26 2011 08:46 zeks wrote: Voted Palmar in favour of DT plan and he has been the most active out of all candidates plus provided ample analysis on several players. This is a simple follow the popular guy thing and really advocates following a planed set of power role actions and really bothers me. On November 29 2011 23:31 zeks wrote: Judging from the tone of some of your posts I might've been DT checked last night and returned scum/guilty (I won't say by who)... if so please consider your sanity / or the possibility I'm Miller! Soft claiming miller as a lie is a huge scum tell in my book this was a key post IMO. It is actually an awful move cuz it makes everyone distrust every result on you. Huge way to hide your alignment... and then you claim... VIGILANTE Man... why soft claim something that can mess with town then be something else. I wondered at the time if you claimed VIGILANTE so you could set up some lie about viging someone and the clue being there because of that but that trap was ruined. Sorry zeks but the softclaim and the clues are damning in my book. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:22 Palmar wrote: Have you ever loved someone so much, you'd give an arm for? Not the expression, no, literally give an arm for? When they know they're your heart And you know you were their armour And you will destroy anyone who would try to harm them But what happens when karma, turns right around and bites you? And everything you stand for, turns on you to spite you? What happens when you become the main source of their pain? I fucked up. I don't know where I went wrong, but I'm sure I will see it at some point. I am on a one way train to get-hanged-ville, and worst of all is I don't know what I did wrong. I have been doing extremely well as town lately in mafia, so I felt like I could trust myself to do this. Man, that backfired. I did provide the best reasoning I had, on a day that had very, very little discussion going on. Sure, you can argue that the correct move would've been to lynch an inactive or a lurker, but I am a firm believer in not changing things that are working. I was on a seven game streak of accusing mafia on day 1. Why would I not trust myself? Tebow may be the worst QB in the NFL, but they're not gonna bench him until he starts losing. The fear of me being mafia is eclipsing way too much in the thread. Maybe the best way to settle this is for me to die. I mean, it's not obvious to any of you until I flip, but what Ace did infuriated me so much. It is impossible to set trap for townies, because they can't spring it by definition, so my assumption was that he actually had some kind of a plan to get a better read on my alignment. Counting on Ace to be a reliable ally this game I decided to put a lot of effort into giving answers to him, only to find out the entire thing was just a ploy with no clear goal in mind, perhaps only to reinforce his already incorrect belief. Half the things he used as arguments weren't even correct, or at least pulled out of context. I guess you guys can imagine how much this frustrated me. In a game I'm already pouring my heart and soul in with so much activity, only to be stifled by having to spend the considerable time I'm putting into this game defending myself. I feel like shit. I felt like I could do it, lead the town and help as much as I possibly could, but I don't have the radiant shine of town that some other players possess when they're town. This is my mistake, I should have known it. I acted as de-facto leader of town in Real Time Mafia, and yet, with 5/6 mafia down by day 3, and me leading at least 2 of those lynches, I still got heavily accused. I should have learned. Maybe youngminii's remark that I should never be trusted should have been my first clue that this was not a good idea. For anyone who wants perspective on why this is hard for me, you should probably know how I feel about playing mafia in general. I'll quote myself from a few months ago. I'm sorry town. Maybe I was the problem. Good luck And when I'm gone, just carry on, don't mourn Rejoice every time you hear the sound of my voice Just know that I'm looking down on you smiling And I didn't feel a thing, So baby don't feel my pain Just smile back | ||
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Risen
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wherebugsgo
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On November 30 2011 09:33 vaderseven wrote: Ok a good close look at zeks is in order. Having read every profile, I do feel like the clue solely points to him and would love anyone that has read everyprofile to say it doesnt. Beyond that though: This is a simple follow the popular guy thing and really advocates following a planed set of power role actions and really bothers me. Soft claiming miller as a lie is a huge scum tell in my book this was a key post IMO. It is actually an awful move cuz it makes everyone distrust every result on you. Huge way to hide your alignment... and then you claim... VIGILANTE Man... why soft claim something that can mess with town then be something else. I wondered at the time if you claimed VIGILANTE so you could set up some lie about viging someone and the clue being there because of that but that trap was ruined. Sorry zeks but the softclaim and the clues are damning in my book. oh WTF? He soft claimed miller then claimed vigi?! LOL I didn't even notice this. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:33 vaderseven wrote: Ok a good close look at zeks is in order. Having read every profile, I do feel like the clue solely points to him and would love anyone that has read everyprofile to say it doesnt. Beyond that though: This is a simple follow the popular guy thing and really advocates following a planed set of power role actions and really bothers me. Soft claiming miller as a lie is a huge scum tell in my book this was a key post IMO. It is actually an awful move cuz it makes everyone distrust every result on you. Huge way to hide your alignment... and then you claim... VIGILANTE Man... why soft claim something that can mess with town then be something else. I wondered at the time if you claimed VIGILANTE so you could set up some lie about viging someone and the clue being there because of that but that trap was ruined. Sorry zeks but the softclaim and the clues are damning in my book. Have to agree with vader here. I want for zeks to be town so I can swap over to prpl, because I'm only getting super strong scum reads from BC and prpl. However, the softclaim into vigi claim is just a shitty situation :/ Sorry if you're town zeks. | ||
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vaderseven
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Risen
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Hassybaby
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deconduo
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##Unvote: Palmar ##Unvote: WhereBugsGo ##Vote: Zeks ##Vote: Prplhz | ||
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