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On November 30 2011 10:01 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 09:44 Risen wrote:
Vaderseven you need to get off me and get onto BC or at least prpl asap. Ya I have no reason to vote you beyond the fact that its a place holder right now. I reading etc it wont be there when deadline hits baring the wrath of god on my internet.
Can you do my mind a favor and just copy paste this into the vote thread. God hates me.
##Unvote: Risen
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Ok I really want to vote Heir, I find him actually scummy. I still think his entire tone is one of scum. With the two political roles both at high vote counts though I think its important to weigh in more directly on that issue...
Whats up with the case on BC? Can someone remake it or link me to it? I don't really see a super strong case off a read through of him.
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I wonder, how is it that the moment I say I leave the thread that 3 people jump out and instantly try to rape my nuts. They spread fear. I have read the thread and now will have to choose posts one by one to respond to but let me ask you one thing.
Who here is fear mongering players? WBG and Palmar fear monger everyone. They can speculate what they would do as mafia in my position and say that that is what I am doing however none of them actually know what I would or wouldn't do. However think of this game as just this game, and the actions done within it.
My posts actually give you a read on myself. You will either say I am scum or Town. Let me ask you these questions however. Who has called people out for attempting to manipulate people. Who tried to create plans to unite the town/give discussions that force people to give up information on their alignment. Who has attempted to stop people from making terrible choices.
Now go back and look through the people who have flip flopped positions, tried to mislead people, inspired fear into the town, out and out lie in general and get away with it. If you honestly believe that I fit the second bill, kill me for I will have no hope of convincing you of anything.
Now, for the next person who says "didn't BC say he wouldn't double lynch?" You will be lynched. I said I would never have double lynched day 2, it is clearly anti town and a waste of the ability. We do not lynch for information, we do not lynch off shoddy clues. We do not lynch someone when the mayor says " i wont lynch null reads or off pure clues" then proceeds to push a target that meet those conditions.
Today palmar or myself has to die. I will not stop pushing him until he dies, he will not stop trying to discredit/kill me until I die.
I will start answering individual posts as I go but if I die at least I die knowing all of the mafia vets showed their faces to get me offed.
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LOL ill unvote you when I find a good change to target.
Leaving myself with a not vote when web was bad yesterday is a dumb way to risk mod kill... Just not wise. Anyways ya see my post above this one and help me out guys.
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On November 30 2011 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Today palmar or myself has to die. I will not stop pushing him until he dies, he will not stop trying to discredit/kill me until I die.
I will start answering individual posts as I go but if I die at least I die knowing all of the mafia vets showed their faces to get me offed.
Ok since you are here can you talk about this a bit? Why does one have to die? What makes you so sure that he isnt town to the point where you know giving up his triple vote is a good choice for the town?
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Also as a note, anyone notice how just like zeks, near no one is defending me? Yet all the people defending palmar are the ones jumping on my nuts?
If I was as good a player as they keep saying I am, why would the mafia not be stepping out to keep me alive in some way. Yet for some reason people are always around to try and divert a lynch away from people like palmar and annul. Read the thread, use your damn heads.
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On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I'm up for lynching Ace today.
I'm actually up for dedicating one of the lynches today to either killing me or Ace. As long as town agrees to lynch the other should one flip town. While losing me as town mayor sucks, the influence Ace already has over town is troubling, and if I have to trade myself 1 for 1 against him, I'll do it.
If you're voting for Wherebugsgo, vote me instead, or preferably, Ace.
I think everyone in town can agree that dedicating one of the lynches today to not lynching based on clues, but analysis, is going to force people who would otherwise skirt by with doing clue analysis, to actually contribute to the thread.
In my book a one for one trade is a good one.
What do you say Ace, you up for a stand-off? Hi Palmar. You wanted to trade 1 for 1 with ace, he flipped town. As such you should flip red. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 20:31 Palmar wrote:Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Zeks's profile linkySyllogism running in woods obviously points to the forest, which can mean a number of people. However, the fact the clue mentions that the trail is usually completely empty, which directly corresponds with the fact that Zeks mentions taking the "less traveled by" road, leads me to believe this is our most obvious clue for today. Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list. As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today. ##Vote Zeks IF HE IS A NULL READ YOU DO NOT LYNCH. You have no idea his alignment and are literally firing into a barrel hoping to hit a fish. Null reads + first day of clues are not how you lynch. A correct red lynch from these instances gives you absolutely nothing in terms of understanding how the clues work, on the people who vote for the lynch, on his scumbuddies etc.. You vote for people who are acting scummy in thread. People flip flopping their positions, blatent scum slipping, diverting lynches from solid targets to random people, etc.... You know this yet you vote off the first set of clues? ffs palmar. How is no one else seeing how blatant your being? Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:23 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 01:21 Ace wrote:On November 29 2011 01:20 Palmar wrote:
He should be modkilled for that. S.C.A.R.E.D. S.C.U.M. I'll entertain you. I would never accept such a deal. Even if it wasn't against the rules. I'm suggesting modkilling you... if you flip town I'm going to be lynched faster than I can say asshole. So no, I'm not scared. Again you repeat that you are expecting to die, almost as if your fine with it. He flipped town and now your instantly backstepping your position. Blatant scum move to never intent on upholding a deal you had struck originally. A townie would realize his mistake and appear almost sorry for the mistake made instead you respond with Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 17:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 29 2011 15:14 Steveling wrote:
Just remember guys that we don't need to martyr Ace.
He was a towny but he might very well be off about his predictions. This and the points in this post inspire me to ##Vote StevelingAnd I don't trust officials I didn't get the chance to vote in ##Vote Palmar That's retarded. Steveling and I are extremely unlikely to be both scum given how hard he's pushing against me. Btw, since I'm gonna die anyway, I'm finally gonna revert to playing how I normally play. I don't need to be political anymore, and frankly, given Ace decided to troll the game, I don't care anymore. Troll the game? He was being logical and playing his style straight up. Instantly pushing town objectives. But more importantly you said above zeks is a null read. Welcome to this post. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 02:04 Palmar wrote:
First of all, I'm leaning town on sandroba now, especially after syllogism flipped. This means I put more value into any case presented by sandroba. He did ask me during the night about Zeks, to which I responded newbie town after skimming very fast over the Zeks's posts. When sandroba pointed out he wasn't a newbie, I re-classified him as null read.
I don't lynch null reads.
I don't lynch solely on clues.
I don't lynch lurkers for lurking.
But when someone does nothing to look town, has clues pointing against him, and just disappears off the face of the earth for the entire night, I think I have a reason to vote for him. When you combine three reasons who might not be individually be enough to lynch someone,
He has done nothing to prove his alignment either way and has only 1 clue pointing at him.. THIS IS A NULL READ. You are literally doing exactly what you said you don't do. Jesus Palmar. If it wasn't for the fact you hid gems like this in giant posts near no one reads you you'd get away with it. Once you kill the few people who can read you might be able to just type your red alignment repeatedly in your long posts. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 17:57 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 10:37 redFF wrote:
oh come on it was clearly a fucking joke...
regardless that solidifies my read on palmar, just because ace is dead does not mean scum are going to take control of the thread. keep posting.
@mods that was dumb, i expect better of GM Shut up. I didn't tell the mods it, but I was going to ask to be replaced if he wasn't modkilled. Don't you fucking dare come in here and try to claim town credit post-modkill. I have no interest in playing with people who cheat, nothing to do with my alignment. On November 29 2011 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Back from seeing the show and I will say this.
What the fuck at aces modkill? Why would you warn him, then ban him for the same post he was warned for? Insanely wtf.
Now then. ACE WAS MAKING A FUCK TON OF SENSE. His main push was palmar. The only people who would actively push his modkill if he was playing this pro town are mafia. Anyone with a brain could see his alignment. As such, make his damn death worth something and off palmar. Same at you. You're wrong and dumb and you know it. You're probably scum too. You'd make a nice mayor to this town. You can even bus a teammate or two at various points in the game to quell their fears. Enjoy your free win. Hey didn't above you expected to get lynched? That you wanted to 1v1 trade with ace? Now your saying you'd sub out like a bitch if he didn't get modkilled? Wheres that spirit for when annul edited a post? Editing posts is cheating regardless of the post, and without double counting the entire voting thread yourself you have no way of knowing if hes lying or not. As for calling me dumb? You are resulting to personal attacks now? Have nothing else to use on me. *claps* its always so thrilling to know that someone can't actually analyze you so instead pushes insults. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:57 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 22:50 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Lynching Palmar is a Bad Idea (TM). At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or scum as long as he is giving us double lynches. His triple vote won't come into play until later, I'd be in favor of a day 4 or maybe 3 lynch no matter what. It doesn't matter if he is scum or town; he is being pro-town. Lynching him takes the gamble that BC will also be pro-town. Lynching me at any point in the game is a bad idea. Remember, the entire case against me that isn't just trolling is the fact I lynched youngminii, and I think I've explained my thought process clearly enough on that. Pushing a lynch on me is just pushing fear tactics. Sandroba is actually correct in his assessment that it's not worth taking the risk BC is scum. Anyone who still has his votes on me hasn't read the thread properly. Sandroba, are you around? Lynching you when you are red is clearly the best thing to do in the game. Clearing out scum from the elected positions is vitally important. Elected officials by nature have more sway in their posts. If you are scum and live you manipulate to many sheep voters that town cannot win. NOT pushing a lynch on you when you are believed to be scum on the basis "BC might be red" is fear mongering. Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:12 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:06 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Palmar, I'm interested to know what your stand is against what you said earlier, that if ace flips town, you are mafia? You said so yourself, one is mafia and the other town. My stand is that apparently Ace is an asshole who refused to re-visit his stance (remember, I asked medics to protect him, because I though once he read my arguments he would realize I'm obvious town). When he didn't re-evaluate, I figured he was probably scum, but I forgot the options that aren't town and scum (namely asshole, and troll). Now I did not expect him to get himself modkilled. But use your brain for a second, what does it mean that I said what I said? Think hard before you post again. Anyone look above to my posts. He says here that he did not expect ace to be modkilled. Meanwhile he was going to force the hosts to choose between them as players. This is not the attitude of someone you want to keep alive. You asked EVERY MED to protect him rather than just say "sheriff jail this guy". Why ask for all meds to do a job when 1 player can protect fully for a night? I am taking off to work and wont be back till 1-3 hours before the lynch. When I come back I hope town has smartened up but if not, have fun diverting your lynch Palmar. You have a strong mafia play and are most likely going to win with it. I can do near nothing with this mass of sheep that instantly vote for the more baseless of lynches. To all you voting for zeks on the information people ahve provided so far this game. You are bad. There is no case, there is a "look over there he might be red get him" when on closer inspection the man telling you to go look at the potential red guy is wearing a red suit holding a sign saying that hes mafia.
This is why. Just read some of the quoted posts. This is before I left for work. Since then he has appealed to emotions, gotten angry, attacked me, etc.... Why would anyone town be so fucking angry? His response to this accusation didn't say shit. He got called out on it then Wbg defends him because he couldn't do it. Even bugs does not clear the bread and butter of it. Palmar has directly fucking lied. He said early game town never has a reason to lie. Ever. He then proceeds to do it. You all agreed with his LAL standpoint and when he does it no one even blinks. No townie would in their right mind play as he does.
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I started the case on BC.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=163#3257
On November 30 2011 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I wonder, how is it that the moment I say I leave the thread that 3 people jump out and instantly try to rape my nuts. They spread fear. I have read the thread and now will have to choose posts one by one to respond to but let me ask you one thing.
Who here is fear mongering players? WBG and Palmar fear monger everyone. They can speculate what they would do as mafia in my position and say that that is what I am doing however none of them actually know what I would or wouldn't do. However think of this game as just this game, and the actions done within it.
I'm not fear mongering shit.
Want to show how I am? Go for it.
On November 30 2011 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My posts actually give you a read on myself. You will either say I am scum or Town. Let me ask you these questions however. Who has called people out for attempting to manipulate people. Who tried to create plans to unite the town/give discussions that force people to give up information on their alignment. Who has attempted to stop people from making terrible choices.
Now go back and look through the people who have flip flopped positions, tried to mislead people, inspired fear into the town, out and out lie in general and get away with it. If you honestly believe that I fit the second bill, kill me for I will have no hope of convincing you of anything.
BC you obviously do none of these things as scum.
However, if you are town, why have your only decent pushes for scum been annul, Palmar and supersoft?
There are 16 scum in this game. You avoided mentioning who your day 1 lynch would've been for the longest time. Your case on Palmar was terrible. So was your case on supersoft, actually. Supersoft is acting somewhat strangely this game, but he isn't as sure scum as you paint him to be.
Why is it that whenever someone asks you for scumreads it's never very clear who you suspect?
On November 30 2011 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now, for the next person who says "didn't BC say he wouldn't double lynch?" You will be lynched. I said I would never have double lynched day 2, it is clearly anti town and a waste of the ability. We do not lynch for information, we do not lynch off shoddy clues. We do not lynch someone when the mayor says " i wont lynch null reads or off pure clues" then proceeds to push a target that meet those conditions.
Sure, I agree with you here. In fact, I agreed with you yesterday!
But why would you ignore the evidence that existed for why Palmar chose the double lynch? The majority of town, as stupid as they might be, wanted a double lynch today. Palmar was convinced by the arguments that were given to him.
Do I agree with whether or not we should have double lynch today? Obviously not, I think we should have a double lynch on day 3 and afterward.
However, Palmar activating double lynch for day 2 does not make him scum. It just means that he is willing to listen to the people who decided to vote him into office yesterday.
He changed his opinion, sure, but that's not a scumtell either.
On November 30 2011 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Today palmar or myself has to die. I will not stop pushing him until he dies, he will not stop trying to discredit/kill me until I die.
What's with this bullshit false dichotomy?
You say you are posting with logic but you blatantly use a black and white logical fallacy right here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
This isn't logic. THIS is propaganda, and THIS is fear mongering. You are doing it yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
I will start answering individual posts as I go but if I die at least I die knowing all of the mafia vets showed their faces to get me offed.[/QUOTE]
Right.
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I believe Zeks to be extremely scummy. I do not think that BC is nearly as scummy as palmar martyring with his pre-death soliloquy
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I have not broken LAL and you know it BC.
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On November 30 2011 10:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 28 2011 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I'm up for lynching Ace today.
I'm actually up for dedicating one of the lynches today to either killing me or Ace. As long as town agrees to lynch the other should one flip town. While losing me as town mayor sucks, the influence Ace already has over town is troubling, and if I have to trade myself 1 for 1 against him, I'll do it.
If you're voting for Wherebugsgo, vote me instead, or preferably, Ace.
I think everyone in town can agree that dedicating one of the lynches today to not lynching based on clues, but analysis, is going to force people who would otherwise skirt by with doing clue analysis, to actually contribute to the thread.
In my book a one for one trade is a good one.
What do you say Ace, you up for a stand-off? Hi Palmar. You wanted to trade 1 for 1 with ace, he flipped town. As such you should flip red. On November 28 2011 20:31 Palmar wrote:Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Zeks's profile linkySyllogism running in woods obviously points to the forest, which can mean a number of people. However, the fact the clue mentions that the trail is usually completely empty, which directly corresponds with the fact that Zeks mentions taking the "less traveled by" road, leads me to believe this is our most obvious clue for today. Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list. As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today. ##Vote Zeks IF HE IS A NULL READ YOU DO NOT LYNCH. You have no idea his alignment and are literally firing into a barrel hoping to hit a fish. Null reads + first day of clues are not how you lynch. A correct red lynch from these instances gives you absolutely nothing in terms of understanding how the clues work, on the people who vote for the lynch, on his scumbuddies etc.. You vote for people who are acting scummy in thread. People flip flopping their positions, blatent scum slipping, diverting lynches from solid targets to random people, etc.... You know this yet you vote off the first set of clues? ffs palmar. How is no one else seeing how blatant your being? On November 29 2011 01:23 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 01:21 Ace wrote:On November 29 2011 01:20 Palmar wrote:
He should be modkilled for that. S.C.A.R.E.D. S.C.U.M. I'll entertain you. I would never accept such a deal. Even if it wasn't against the rules. I'm suggesting modkilling you... if you flip town I'm going to be lynched faster than I can say asshole. So no, I'm not scared. Again you repeat that you are expecting to die, almost as if your fine with it. He flipped town and now your instantly backstepping your position. Blatant scum move to never intent on upholding a deal you had struck originally. A townie would realize his mistake and appear almost sorry for the mistake made instead you respond with On November 29 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 17:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 29 2011 15:14 Steveling wrote:
Just remember guys that we don't need to martyr Ace.
He was a towny but he might very well be off about his predictions. This and the points in this post inspire me to ##Vote StevelingAnd I don't trust officials I didn't get the chance to vote in ##Vote Palmar That's retarded. Steveling and I are extremely unlikely to be both scum given how hard he's pushing against me. Btw, since I'm gonna die anyway, I'm finally gonna revert to playing how I normally play. I don't need to be political anymore, and frankly, given Ace decided to troll the game, I don't care anymore. Troll the game? He was being logical and playing his style straight up. Instantly pushing town objectives. But more importantly you said above zeks is a null read. Welcome to this post. On November 29 2011 02:04 Palmar wrote:
First of all, I'm leaning town on sandroba now, especially after syllogism flipped. This means I put more value into any case presented by sandroba. He did ask me during the night about Zeks, to which I responded newbie town after skimming very fast over the Zeks's posts. When sandroba pointed out he wasn't a newbie, I re-classified him as null read.
I don't lynch null reads.
I don't lynch solely on clues.
I don't lynch lurkers for lurking.
But when someone does nothing to look town, has clues pointing against him, and just disappears off the face of the earth for the entire night, I think I have a reason to vote for him. When you combine three reasons who might not be individually be enough to lynch someone,
He has done nothing to prove his alignment either way and has only 1 clue pointing at him.. THIS IS A NULL READ. You are literally doing exactly what you said you don't do. Jesus Palmar. If it wasn't for the fact you hid gems like this in giant posts near no one reads you you'd get away with it. Once you kill the few people who can read you might be able to just type your red alignment repeatedly in your long posts. On November 29 2011 17:57 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 10:37 redFF wrote:
oh come on it was clearly a fucking joke...
regardless that solidifies my read on palmar, just because ace is dead does not mean scum are going to take control of the thread. keep posting.
@mods that was dumb, i expect better of GM Shut up. I didn't tell the mods it, but I was going to ask to be replaced if he wasn't modkilled. Don't you fucking dare come in here and try to claim town credit post-modkill. I have no interest in playing with people who cheat, nothing to do with my alignment. On November 29 2011 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Back from seeing the show and I will say this.
What the fuck at aces modkill? Why would you warn him, then ban him for the same post he was warned for? Insanely wtf.
Now then. ACE WAS MAKING A FUCK TON OF SENSE. His main push was palmar. The only people who would actively push his modkill if he was playing this pro town are mafia. Anyone with a brain could see his alignment. As such, make his damn death worth something and off palmar. Same at you. You're wrong and dumb and you know it. You're probably scum too. You'd make a nice mayor to this town. You can even bus a teammate or two at various points in the game to quell their fears. Enjoy your free win. Hey didn't above you expected to get lynched? That you wanted to 1v1 trade with ace? Now your saying you'd sub out like a bitch if he didn't get modkilled? Wheres that spirit for when annul edited a post? Editing posts is cheating regardless of the post, and without double counting the entire voting thread yourself you have no way of knowing if hes lying or not. As for calling me dumb? You are resulting to personal attacks now? Have nothing else to use on me. *claps* its always so thrilling to know that someone can't actually analyze you so instead pushes insults. On November 29 2011 22:57 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 22:50 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Lynching Palmar is a Bad Idea (TM). At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or scum as long as he is giving us double lynches. His triple vote won't come into play until later, I'd be in favor of a day 4 or maybe 3 lynch no matter what. It doesn't matter if he is scum or town; he is being pro-town. Lynching him takes the gamble that BC will also be pro-town. Lynching me at any point in the game is a bad idea. Remember, the entire case against me that isn't just trolling is the fact I lynched youngminii, and I think I've explained my thought process clearly enough on that. Pushing a lynch on me is just pushing fear tactics. Sandroba is actually correct in his assessment that it's not worth taking the risk BC is scum. Anyone who still has his votes on me hasn't read the thread properly. Sandroba, are you around? Lynching you when you are red is clearly the best thing to do in the game. Clearing out scum from the elected positions is vitally important. Elected officials by nature have more sway in their posts. If you are scum and live you manipulate to many sheep voters that town cannot win. NOT pushing a lynch on you when you are believed to be scum on the basis "BC might be red" is fear mongering. On November 30 2011 00:12 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:06 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Palmar, I'm interested to know what your stand is against what you said earlier, that if ace flips town, you are mafia? You said so yourself, one is mafia and the other town. My stand is that apparently Ace is an asshole who refused to re-visit his stance (remember, I asked medics to protect him, because I though once he read my arguments he would realize I'm obvious town). When he didn't re-evaluate, I figured he was probably scum, but I forgot the options that aren't town and scum (namely asshole, and troll). Now I did not expect him to get himself modkilled. But use your brain for a second, what does it mean that I said what I said? Think hard before you post again. Anyone look above to my posts. He says here that he did not expect ace to be modkilled. Meanwhile he was going to force the hosts to choose between them as players. This is not the attitude of someone you want to keep alive. You asked EVERY MED to protect him rather than just say "sheriff jail this guy". Why ask for all meds to do a job when 1 player can protect fully for a night? I am taking off to work and wont be back till 1-3 hours before the lynch. When I come back I hope town has smartened up but if not, have fun diverting your lynch Palmar. You have a strong mafia play and are most likely going to win with it. I can do near nothing with this mass of sheep that instantly vote for the more baseless of lynches. To all you voting for zeks on the information people ahve provided so far this game. You are bad. There is no case, there is a "look over there he might be red get him" when on closer inspection the man telling you to go look at the potential red guy is wearing a red suit holding a sign saying that hes mafia. This is why. Just read some of the quoted posts. This is before I left for work. Since then he has appealed to emotions, gotten angry, attacked me, etc.... Why would anyone town be so fucking angry? His response to this accusation didn't say shit. He got called out on it then Wbg defends him because he couldn't do it. Even bugs does not clear the bread and butter of it. Palmar has directly fucking lied. He said early game town never has a reason to lie. Ever. He then proceeds to do it. You all agreed with his LAL standpoint and when he does it no one even blinks. No townie would in their right mind play as he does.
Where did Palmar lie?
Was it because Ace died and Palmar promised us a 1 for 1 trade? You of all people should know it would be moronic to hold Palmar to his word on that statement.
Was it because Palmar activated double lynch for day 2 despite earlier saying he didn't want to?
That's not a lie either, since he simply changed his mind after 20 people started yelling that they wanted double lynch today.
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On November 30 2011 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:26 xtfftc wrote:
WBG, give me you opinion on Supersoft, please. I believe supersoft to be town. He has said things like this: Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 17:29 supersoft wrote:
prplhz. seriously no.
You were crying about why everyone thinks you're scum all the time a few days ago. We can't elect you as mayor.
You're even lying in your campaignpost:
"I have the very useful talent to be able to tell bad townie play apart from scummy play."
wat? This is ironic right? "useful talent toi have". This is a catch that no one else noticed. prpl doesn't have the ability to tell apart bad townie play from scummy play, almost no one does. He also said this: Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 04:34 supersoft wrote:
why doesn't that influence your vote?! I mean if Palmar is town, sandro and BC are either both town/both scum OR sandro is scum. You realize that there are 16 scumteammembers... If they'd put 7-8 votes on their candidate, he's easily sherrif... If he were scum then why would he bother asking this? This is a pointless question to get answered if you are scum. He'd just shut up and laugh while the guy votes in two of his scumbuddies. He also said things like this: Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 05:03 supersoft wrote:
wbg is a horrible choice for sherrif. Seriously. He and Palmar are too tight knit. I want a balanced office. and Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 20:23 supersoft wrote:On November 27 2011 20:16 Palmar wrote:
very compelling arguments On November 27 2011 20:11 annul wrote:
WE WILL HAVE EIGHT CLUES TOMORROW.
Palmar, I think it's better to use a doublelynch tomorrow. We have to work together and if we do so, I guess we can catch scum tomorrow. You have to admit, that the situation is a little bit scary for us, if you don't do what we say. and Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 16:22 supersoft wrote:On November 27 2011 14:56 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't know, YM over kenpachi or supersoft? What's up with that palmar.
Poor Heir going against the grain. Rock on little man. Before I give my scum reads, I'd like to see the modkills first. 8KP sounds brutal by the by. what the fuck. Since when am I considered as a suspect? If you base this on the shit this sinanidouble posted earlier, I am going to ignore you aswell. I fully agree with sandroba. Syllogism and him are 100% town. As I predicted, there was a huge voteshift from everywhere to BC. Based on the votepatterns, I think he's scum. I am going to sleep now, and reevaluate everything when I wake up. and this: Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 07:34 supersoft wrote:On November 28 2011 07:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 28 2011 07:15 supersoft wrote:
I am so sorry, that I was so ungrateful. I want to thank you a billion times for not mentioning my name.
You know what, actually I would have been surprised if you'd try to get me lynched or shot or whatever.
It's enough for you to undermine my credibility. That's exactly what scum does. They don't want to be responsible for a horrible mislynch.
My logic is simple. The sherrifspot was detemined by the scumteam, because the votes were so close. Determined by the scumteam? didnt mostly vets vote for me? that would imply that mostly vets are the scumteam, it would also imply that you know the scumteam. in the course of 24 hours I gained votes. Roba was at one point insanely far ahead and had a huge amount of sheep voters. When people saw him flip flop they unvoted. You need to work on your logic, it is fairly bad right now I'd prefer answers to my questions over lessons in logic. 1. I want to know why am I a good day1 lynch. 2. I want to read your interpretation of the voteresults. Note that I don't believe BC ever answered supersoft on these questions. Ace entered the thread and it was immediately forgotten. However, I could be wrong about supersoft. Recently he switched his vote to Palmar, and quite frankly I think that's a stupid move. Had he stuck with his earlier opinion I'd be sure he's town, but he's sheeping along with a massive majority of town and that's really troublesome. Of course, if I'm just an idiot and Palmar actually is scum I'll look terrible for this, but I'm okay with that, seeing as this game makes no sense to me anyway.
Just reading through the thread now, but this is another reason why you're scum. Only scum can do analysis to prove town. This is the scummiest post in the thread so far.
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If BC and/or prplhz flip green, i'm willing to vote tommorow for palmar/wbg/risen they all seem as players who really can play the game. So i'm not buying they could make the same wrong scumreads.
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On November 30 2011 09:28 Palmar wrote:
annul
Another guy who is likely to be town. Just look at how aggressive and decisive he is in pretty much everything he is doing. He may not always be correct or logical, but he pushes whatever he believes with no fear at all. I like him and I think town would do well to keep him around.
I'm on the fence about you, Palmar, so I don't know if you're just feeding into your scumbuddy's play.
Assuming you're town, annul is playing you like a fiddle. This is just the kind of reaction of his scum play is designed to elicit.
I'd agree with your assessment if he was actually analyzing posts, building real cases, and playing real mafia. He's not. He's railroading based on some bullshit clue. His intention is not to find and lynch scum, his intention is to get people like you to think he's town. He's not. He's scum and needs to be lynched.
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Ok BC I want to know one thing I think that is is like a ephinnay of why you kinda bother the back of my mind.
Why has it been a constant YOU OR PALMER thing.
Palmer, if town, has a role that is SO good for town that it is game winning (3 votes). You cant gain that even if he is lynched. Why then with the like attempts at chain lynch (ace flipped town so now palmer is scum) and why the tone of your current posts?
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On November 30 2011 10:15 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 03:26 xtfftc wrote:
WBG, give me you opinion on Supersoft, please. I believe supersoft to be town. He has said things like this: On November 24 2011 17:29 supersoft wrote:
prplhz. seriously no.
You were crying about why everyone thinks you're scum all the time a few days ago. We can't elect you as mayor.
You're even lying in your campaignpost:
"I have the very useful talent to be able to tell bad townie play apart from scummy play."
wat? This is ironic right? "useful talent toi have". This is a catch that no one else noticed. prpl doesn't have the ability to tell apart bad townie play from scummy play, almost no one does. He also said this: On November 27 2011 04:34 supersoft wrote:
why doesn't that influence your vote?! I mean if Palmar is town, sandro and BC are either both town/both scum OR sandro is scum. You realize that there are 16 scumteammembers... If they'd put 7-8 votes on their candidate, he's easily sherrif... If he were scum then why would he bother asking this? This is a pointless question to get answered if you are scum. He'd just shut up and laugh while the guy votes in two of his scumbuddies. He also said things like this: On November 27 2011 05:03 supersoft wrote:
wbg is a horrible choice for sherrif. Seriously. He and Palmar are too tight knit. I want a balanced office. and On November 27 2011 20:23 supersoft wrote:On November 27 2011 20:16 Palmar wrote:
very compelling arguments On November 27 2011 20:11 annul wrote:
WE WILL HAVE EIGHT CLUES TOMORROW.
Palmar, I think it's better to use a doublelynch tomorrow. We have to work together and if we do so, I guess we can catch scum tomorrow. You have to admit, that the situation is a little bit scary for us, if you don't do what we say. and On November 27 2011 16:22 supersoft wrote:On November 27 2011 14:56 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't know, YM over kenpachi or supersoft? What's up with that palmar.
Poor Heir going against the grain. Rock on little man. Before I give my scum reads, I'd like to see the modkills first. 8KP sounds brutal by the by. what the fuck. Since when am I considered as a suspect? If you base this on the shit this sinanidouble posted earlier, I am going to ignore you aswell. I fully agree with sandroba. Syllogism and him are 100% town. As I predicted, there was a huge voteshift from everywhere to BC. Based on the votepatterns, I think he's scum. I am going to sleep now, and reevaluate everything when I wake up. and this: On November 28 2011 07:34 supersoft wrote:On November 28 2011 07:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 28 2011 07:15 supersoft wrote:
I am so sorry, that I was so ungrateful. I want to thank you a billion times for not mentioning my name.
You know what, actually I would have been surprised if you'd try to get me lynched or shot or whatever.
It's enough for you to undermine my credibility. That's exactly what scum does. They don't want to be responsible for a horrible mislynch.
My logic is simple. The sherrifspot was detemined by the scumteam, because the votes were so close. Determined by the scumteam? didnt mostly vets vote for me? that would imply that mostly vets are the scumteam, it would also imply that you know the scumteam. in the course of 24 hours I gained votes. Roba was at one point insanely far ahead and had a huge amount of sheep voters. When people saw him flip flop they unvoted. You need to work on your logic, it is fairly bad right now I'd prefer answers to my questions over lessons in logic. 1. I want to know why am I a good day1 lynch. 2. I want to read your interpretation of the voteresults. Note that I don't believe BC ever answered supersoft on these questions. Ace entered the thread and it was immediately forgotten. However, I could be wrong about supersoft. Recently he switched his vote to Palmar, and quite frankly I think that's a stupid move. Had he stuck with his earlier opinion I'd be sure he's town, but he's sheeping along with a massive majority of town and that's really troublesome. Of course, if I'm just an idiot and Palmar actually is scum I'll look terrible for this, but I'm okay with that, seeing as this game makes no sense to me anyway. Just reading through the thread now, but this is another reason why you're scum. Only scum can do analysis to prove town. This is the scummiest post in the thread so far.
As long as you keep this up, you will forever be useless in a game of mafia.
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##Unvote wherebugsgo (you're still mafia)
##Vote prplhz (I just don't like you)
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On November 30 2011 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also as a note, anyone notice how just like zeks, near no one is defending me? Yet all the people defending palmar are the ones jumping on my nuts?
If I was as good a player as they keep saying I am, why would the mafia not be stepping out to keep me alive in some way. Yet for some reason people are always around to try and divert a lynch away from people like palmar and annul. Read the thread, use your damn heads.
Imo, alot of newbies are bandwaggoning onto them as this is ment to be a newbie game so I'm assuming as Palmar was imo the first poster to make a great deal of sense people just jumped on his back and went with it.
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On November 30 2011 10:15 sinani206 wrote:
Just reading through the thread now, but this is another reason why you're scum. Only scum can do analysis to prove town. This is the scummiest post in the thread so far.
It can be a scum tell if someone ONLY posts reasons why someone isnt scum I.E. the player that ALWAYS is poking holes in every case but thats NOT what he is doing.
I didnt like wherebugsgo day 1 really but his play today (especially last like 24 hours) has been fine and solid as far as I can tell.
He was one of the ones I woke up this morning thinking I might end up voting for even but ya... I wouldn't call his analysis scummy at all.
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BC as it stands neither you nor Palmar are going to be lynched today. Prplhz is going to be lynched. Can you get off this Palmar or me line of thought and please try to give us your reads on other people.
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