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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I really couldn't hash together why all the names on zeks's voting list seemed townie to me. The ones I highlighted are barely on my scumlist atm. In that case the scum are most likely to be on Palmar's, BC's, Risen's and my wagons. Look at this list: Palmar: 13 prplhz Hier Benjef Steveling BloodyC0bbler GreYMisT ey215 Lanaia Kurumi redFF deconduo Cyber_Cheese AmericanUmlaut BloodyC0bbler: 12 tree.hugger Coagulation supersoft annul Palmar (X3) Sandroba Risen intrigue wherebugsgo Drazerk Risen: 11 Soap vaderseven Ciryandor Kenpachi Drazerk Cwave zeks DeadlyPsycho Mattchew Toadesstern StimilantE Wherebugsgo: 10 tnkted Hier Pigsquirrel Serejai ey215 Soap deconduo sinani206 StimilantE AmericanUmlaut prplhz: 9 Coagulation supersoft Palmar (X 3) risk.nuke hyshes redFF wherebugsgo Anyone not colored red is either null or town to me. I'm not going to bother pointing out who I think looks like town, since that would result in scum just shooting their asses. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
No i'm not 100% sure he is town, but i'm leaning towards it. As long as he is using his mayor-powers in good use of the town, his alignment does not matter at this point. He is posting much, so if he is scum, he will make mistakes. Of course you could argue that our sheriff also can choose to double-lynch. But why take that risk as long as palmar is working pro-town? And the fact prplhz voted for him tells me enough at this point in the game. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:45 prplhz wrote: Okay, I found out who my other vote goes to. ##Vote Palmar There was a post a bit back that said it very clearly; if Palmar dies town stands to lose 1 lynch at worst while scum stands to lynch 1/2 kp, 1 full kp along with Risen. Also, they lose one of their strongest players. Now I wrote a bit back that I didn't want Palmar lynched unless I thought that BloodyC0bbler was likely to be town. I now think he is very likely town, or if not then he is bussing Palmar. BloodyC0bbler all game long has reminded me of how Radfield played in PYP:I. He keeps his eyes on the ball and he calls people out for bullshit. He hasn't been as spammy as Palmar and maybe that has contributed to how people might think less of him but rereading his filter he has not made a single post that makes me think that he is scum. Palmar on the other hand was on his way to victory after he got elected to mayor. Then Ace came in and tore this place up. Now he is in a state I have never seen him before, he is demoralized and he is OMGUSing all around (first Ace and then BloodyC0bbler). He is trying to trade himself 1 for 1 with all the best veterans town has left and this is insanity. He refuses to actually build any cases and then he suddenly came up with a huge emotional speech, that said exactly nothing. Palmar knows better than to act like this. @BloodyC0bbler I am thinking that if you maybe subtly direct medics to bodyguards tonight a couple of them can survive and then we can keep all of our double lynches if we just use them back to back. Or bodyguards can just straight up claim. But in the end it is up to you, as it is imperative for town that you survive. On November 30 2011 05:12 prplhz wrote: No. Read what I write. I said that Palmar was a bad lynch as long as I wasn't sure that BloodyC0bbler was town and as long as I wasn't sure that Palmar was scum. Then I read through BloodyC0bbler's posts and I came to the conclusion that he is most likely town. Also, Palmar has been acting extremely weird since then and I think that he is scum, so I am voting him. Your logic is terrible. You didn't lynch wherebugsgo in Mini Mafia X because "he didn't attack your credibility" which was an insane idea you just couldn't let go of. You are making just as much sense right now as you were in Mini Mafia X and you are putting just as much effort into this game, and I have learned never to listen to you when that happens. I can't prove my innocence to you right now 'cause you are not making a case against me, and I doubt that you are letting go of your insane idea that my day1 was scum, even though you can't tell me why. Are you saying that BloodyC0bbler is scum? Are you saying that how Palmar has been playing, since the post where I told people not to get ahead of themselves and vote Palmar without considering our situation, has been very much like you know townie Palmar? Has it been townie at all? He is giving us no information, nothing but emotional speeches trying to make us feel guilty like wherebugsgo did to me in Mini Mafia X, and OMGUS against BloodyC0bbler as he did against Ace. I feel that the reasoning in this post is weak. Prplhz earlier posted that he felt a lynch against Palmer was bad and told the thread the stop voting him. he dismisses that stance by saying that he has a town read on BC and he is suspicious of Palmar so the lynch is okay. He further states that all we stand to lose with a dead Palmer is at worst 1 lynch. This assumes Palmer is town so if we kill town palmer we also lose his contributions. the actual worst case scenario is Palmer Town BC scum, lynching Palmer would cost us a Veteran towns reads his extra votes and town would lose control of double lynching.Whatever he think BC's alignment is he cannot confirm it (if he is town) so he should consider it when looking at potential scenarios a Town player should not miss-sell a worst case scenario it could be a mistake or it could be mafia making a claim they hope people will not investigate. He vaguely mentions lifting this from a previous post so if this is picked up upon he has pre-emptively shift blame not uncertainty but Blame. Again a town player should not be doing this when they post.This is highly suspect he also supports this decision by saying that risen is scum so killing Palmer will cost them a KP. But a case against risen is not relevant to why palmer may or may not be scum. He is trying to make you think of unrealistic outcomes that make you feel more comfortable with lynching Palmer as oppossed to convincing you that he is scum. screams mafia agenda. there is also no effort to analyse posts, there is a "meta" based argument that seems weak but that i cannot fully evaluate and in another post he decribes Palmer's behavior as "weird" and seems to use that as a reason. i think this could indicate scum play if i was trying hard to conclude that he is town then i would say he probably have strong perceptions on how other people should play and they have not matched waht is happened so he is yelling scum. he may simply have made a series of false judgements not grounded is clear reasoning. but i feel the discrepancy between what he describes and what is actually possible and likely (numbers say 2 town is most likey we need analysis if we want to disagree) i have clearly stated my oppositon to a Palmer lynch and similarly a BC Lynch and i feel that when addressing the issue deceit should be inexcusable. here is an alternative perspective on ace +Palmer: On November 30 2011 08:35 tree.hugger wrote: I think Ace was playing like a moron, I don't and didn't subscribe to anything he said. there are still people mentioning Ace and aces action's and for me this hits the nail on the head if have tried to include room for other options because i feel reasoning like this could potentially be misleading + Show Spoiler + my take on relying on or using Ace's* reads or arguments when deciding on who to vote for Ace did something "naughty" and is no longer with us when he was naughty his actions were either intentional, unintentional or not his actions (maybe someone else deliberately used his account) if they were unintentional, then i can see him either making a honest mistake or other if they were intentional then he didn't think he would be killed, or he wanted to be killed perhaps other if he wanted to be killed then he no longer wished to help town or he was trolling or other subsequently i think that there is a strong possibility he was trolling and as such his reads should not be relied upon and if you re-use his arguments you should check them extra thoroughly because i know that all of use carefully examine arguments before we decide they are correct and we re-use them as our own. he also used a number of gifs(this may not be unusual) but he said that On November 28 2011 08:34 Ace wrote: Also hier and that guy's name that starts with a v were making a lot of sense from my skims. You should protect them at all costs. Everyone else is food. i cannot take this seriously * apparently he is "a god" and is worth more than are best 5 players combined ( this second claim seems like an understatement at present) "clicking spoilers is for people that care" i think ace may have been trollong and as such i would like to state that you should not be voting based on what he did. Before Ace joined the most notable case against Palmer was YM i think we need to be very careful with using Ace's arguments against Palmer. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Fair enough that was a very anti-town move of me. Despite my mistake however it won't change the fact that I will flip Vig in 2.5 hours. Not convinced one bit BC is scum - more of a scapegoat for the "Palmar/BC one must be scum" theory Really need to hear from BC right now | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Currently prpl is the best second choice candidate for lynch. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote: BC won't be dying today. Neither Palmar nor BC will die. Currently prpl is the best second choice candidate for lynch. This may be true, but how are we going to get people onto prplhz? | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
But that leaves me with a problem, i got no second vote atm. And besides prplhz no real scumread on anyone. I'm going through the thread atm but its very hard to find anything in here. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On November 29 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote: People who I will from now on pretend don't exist: Serjai follow this guy's advice | ||
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cosine
313 Posts
Our top lynch candidate is being voted FOR NO FUCKING REASON! None at all. Clues are not even close to a valid justification for a vote. We're playing mafia not fucking blues clues; put your bigboy pants on. ANNUL IS SCUM A townie would have absolutely zero motivation for lynching someone for no reason. Only a scum would play like annul is playing. This is his Scum Game Plan: be active and push cases to build cred for the late game. Unfortunately for him he is too lazy to create plausible Fake Cases so he's going for some nancyboy clue nonsense. Altenatively the scum rolecopped zeks, found he was a vig, and decided to run this cluelynch gambit to off him without burning KP. In any event annul is scum and should be hanged by the neck until dead. On November 30 2011 02:51 sinani206 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and vote for zeks because theres nothing going on in the thread and I might not be here for the lynch. ##Vote: zeks This is a scumpost. He just said "I'm scum, I need to throw down a vote but I can't justify one so I'll just jump on the bandwagon." Thanks for deciding my second vote for me, scumbo. ##vote: sinani206 On November 30 2011 04:46 Lanaia wrote: Holy hell, how many replacements have happened so far? Switching off annul as he's definitely more town than Zeks is at this point. Zeks looks like a child trying desperately to stay above the water. I'm going to vote Zeks now. I know I said clues were bad, but how he's reacted under pressure is terrible. You're an idiot. He's not under pressure. There needs to be a case against you in order to be under pressure. He just has a bunch of scum and idiotic townies voting for him for no reason. There's no real way to respond to that. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote: BC won't be dying today. Neither Palmar nor BC will die. Currently prpl is the best second choice candidate for lynch. Did i miss something? Why won't they die? AM i missing a game mechanic? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:56 cosine wrote: ATTENTION EVERYONE BASING THEIR VOTES ON CLUES: YOU'RE BEYOND STUPID Our top lynch candidate is being voted FOR NO FUCKING REASON! None at all. Clues are not even close to a valid justification for a vote. We're playing mafia not fucking blues clues; put your bigboy pants on. ANNUL IS SCUM A townie would have absolutely zero motivation for lynching someone for no reason. Only a scum would play like annul is playing. This is his Scum Game Plan: be active and push cases to build cred for the late game. Unfortunately for him he is too lazy to create plausible Fake Cases so he's going for some nancyboy clue nonsense. Altenatively the scum rolecopped zeks, found he was a vig, and decided to run this cluelynch gambit to off him without burning KP. In any event annul is scum and should be hanged by the neck until dead. This is a scumpost. He just said "I'm scum, I need to throw down a vote but I can't justify one so I'll just jump on the bandwagon." Thanks for deciding my second vote for me, scumbo. ##vote: sinani206 You're an idiot. He's not under pressure. There needs to be a case against you in order to be under pressure. He just has a bunch of scum and idiotic townies voting for him for no reason. There's no real way to respond to that. Did you miss the softclaim into hardclaim post that vaderseven pointed out? Zeks is most likely scum | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:57 hyshes wrote: Did i miss something? Why won't they die? AM i missing a game mechanic? I really doubt they'll get enough votes to overtake prpl, with his momentum. Prpl has more votes at this point and the case on him is stronger than the one on either BC or Palmar (the latter of which is actually mostly nonexistent) On November 30 2011 09:56 cosine wrote: ATTENTION EVERYONE BASING THEIR VOTES ON CLUES: YOU'RE BEYOND STUPID Our top lynch candidate is being voted FOR NO FUCKING REASON! None at all. Clues are not even close to a valid justification for a vote. We're playing mafia not fucking blues clues; put your bigboy pants on. ANNUL IS SCUM A townie would have absolutely zero motivation for lynching someone for no reason. Only a scum would play like annul is playing. This is his Scum Game Plan: be active and push cases to build cred for the late game. Unfortunately for him he is too lazy to create plausible Fake Cases so he's going for some nancyboy clue nonsense. Altenatively the scum rolecopped zeks, found he was a vig, and decided to run this cluelynch gambit to off him without burning KP. In any event annul is scum and should be hanged by the neck until dead. This is a scumpost. He just said "I'm scum, I need to throw down a vote but I can't justify one so I'll just jump on the bandwagon." Thanks for deciding my second vote for me, scumbo. ##vote: sinani206 You're an idiot. He's not under pressure. There needs to be a case against you in order to be under pressure. He just has a bunch of scum and idiotic townies voting for him for no reason. There's no real way to respond to that. yo, you seem to be making a decent amount of sense. What do you think of prplhz? Why are you voting two players who have no chance of dying today when lynch ends in two hours? If you really wanted us to vote annul and sinani, why didn't you come up with this case earlier in the day? | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:55 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Hyshes who do you plan on swapping your Zeks vote to? May I suggest BC or prplhz? Haha I was already voting prplhz. Actually i was the first one voting for him. I now voted BC because i do not think any wrong off the people voting for him. And i wanna be sure i got a second vote (to comply with the rules) This vote might change though. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:44 Risen wrote: Vaderseven you need to get off me and get onto BC or at least prpl asap. Ya I have no reason to vote you beyond the fact that its a place holder right now. I reading etc it wont be there when deadline hits baring the wrath of god on my internet. | ||
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