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sandroba
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wherebugsgo
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That's just shedding doubt, and that shows you're acting from a scum agenda. If what you say is true, that it wasn't prpl's claim that made me scum, why did you use it in your argument for me being scum? I've gone over multiple times that I made a mistake in my n1 action. I stand by my n2 action because there's no way I could've confirmed prpl otherwise. He caught me on the blue slip and I was afraid that if he was scum he'd shoot me. So I jailed him and turned out he was town. Now you're arguing that scum paid no attention to my breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs are only useful in the case someone dies. It's hard to find a breadcrumb unless you know what to look for, that's by definition how breadcrumbs work. If I'd died n2 or n3 the townies would've gone back to look for breadcrumbs. I breadcrumbed that I had checked Erandorr and prpl, by the way I called them townies despite having no real reason to think so. I also on one occasion baited (I think it was Meapak, specifically) by seeing what people thought of prpl. If I were scum don't you think I would just take the easy route of saying "I've targetted sandro every night"? In that case all I would have to do today as scum is say prpl is dumb town, sandro is town woot let's lynch meapak. Instead, you have this situation which can only be true if I am town. I breadcrumbed not only my role, but my checks. Your argument is that I faked them in anticipation of doing a fake claim just to do a fake claim 3 days in advance because I have a notion that TL towns will believe claims blindly. That's not true. You even go so far as to use the end game result of last game to try and prove this. The point of last game was NOT that TL towns believe claims. The point of last game was that you lynch confirmed liars. GM was a confirmed liar, the town didn't actually believe his claim. Town knew he wasn't a medic because the medic flipped. The fact that you're trying to say now that the post-game discussion somehow applies here is quite funny and very revealing of your alignment. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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He had an interesting quote of my first post in which he just attacked everything despite agreeing with over half of it. I found that weird, like he was just simply trying to undermine my credibility. Since I leaned town on Palmar I wanted to see if he was right about Erandorr being scum. That ultimately is why I switched to Erandorr over trying to protect Palmar. When the hit went through I immediately thought that jay/hiro had to be scum. Then prpl said something that tipped me off, so I figured I'd check him the next night. He came back town too so I figured it had to be hiro. I was wrong every single time. Oh well. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I went over Sandro's posts again, and this stuck out to me: On November 16 2011 20:18 sandroba wrote: I agree with what you said about wiggles and there is always the statistical benefit of lynching wiggles, even when there is no evidence on him =P But seriously, his posts screams to me "look at me guyz, I'm being helpful and trying to find scum!". He seems to be trying to blend in too hard. I'd rather see some more from him before pushing for his lynch though, hopefully he will comply. prplhz seems town to me this game, so maybe that means he is mafia? (j/k prpl =P) errandor is interesting. His play this game is way different than any game I've played with him before, and one thing that's clear for sure is that he is trying his best to win this one. I'm leaning town, mainly because he is arguing against the hiro lynch which seems reasonable to me at this point. Onto my weak scum suspect, Meapak: what do you think about this guy? He weak FOSes Wiggles, but doesn't vote him or do anything else. No pressure really on Wiggles at this point. On November 17 2011 09:13 sandroba wrote: Fuck man, there is not much argument against lynching wiggles. No one is really pushing a second candidate (MZ is pushing hiro, but not too strongly, I would expect him to put a lot more effort into it if he was mafia with wiggles). Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ Then when the tide starts turning he tries to soft defend Wiggles. Makes a half-hearted attempt to push Jay. There are 4 votes on Wiggles at this point, meaning he's leading the lynch. Then Palmar posts this On November 17 2011 09:42 Palmar wrote: yeah sure. In a 2 scum game I wouldn't expect scum to ever come to the defense of their partner, especially when their partner gets called out by both myself and sandroba, unless there is very obvious evidence the accused is town, it'd be damn near suicide to try to defend. Better let the accused fend for himself. Like I know I'd bus my partner so hard if he came under suspicion day 1. Immediately after Sandro sees the futility in defending him and goes: On November 17 2011 09:57 sandroba wrote: ... Alright, lets roll with this. ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles On top of this, the next day Sandro has the audacity to claim he was the sole person who got wiggles lynched: On November 19 2011 13:52 sandroba wrote: @jaybrundage Man, do you realise I basically was the main force changing the lynch form hiro onto Wiggles? No one was voting for wiggles before I said I thought hiro was not scum and explained how wiggles "It was a trap for scum!" bullshit made no sense and seemed artificial. I shifted the discussion with palmer towards wiggles and then put in the last vote on him, even though I had cold feet since no one seemed to be defending him. All this considered there is absolutely no way I'm scum this game and no matter how new you are you should realise this. Also you say I'm scum in all your posts and votes wbg? Only because someone else is voting for him? I swear man, if you are not scum this game mafia is not your thing at all =/ Apart from the fact that Wiggles was already leading the vote when Sandro switched, Sandro posted NO CASE against wiggles whatsoever, just a weak FOS in a post where he also FOSed Jay, and then later on Meapak. Votes when Sandro should have voted for Wiggles: On November 16 2011 22:25 Radfield wrote: Vote Count Wherebugsgo (4) Erandorr Palmer jaybrundage hiro protagonist hiro protagonist (3) prplhz Meapak_Ziphh Wherebugsgo Mr Wiggles and sandroba have not voted Since there are 9 people, 5 votes are needed to reach majority Day ends in 12 and a half hours Votes when Sandro actually voted: On November 17 2011 09:46 chaoser wrote: Vote Count Wiggles (4) Erandorr Palmer prplhz hiro protagonist wherebugsgo (1) jaybrundage hiro protagonist (2) Meapak_Ziphh Wherebugsgo Meapak_Ziphh (1) Mr Wiggles sandroba has not voted Since there are 9 people, 5 votes are needed to reach majority Day ends in about 1 hour Also notice that Sandro and Wiggles were the 2 people who waited to vote on day 1. | ||
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sandroba
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sandroba
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On November 16 2011 19:10 sandroba wrote: I don't like the hiro lynch. I've read his posts and while his logic path is not stellar, his posts seem genuine and doesn't seem like he is trying to hide. I see him arguing controversial issues and not thinking carefully before he posts. Not mafia imo. People that don't seem genuine to me as of now are Mr.Wiggles (his "atempt" at catching scum was the most optimistic plan ever known to man) and jaydude (seemed intusiastic about mafia, but has posted very little, only one liners without any thought behind and after people's reaction to his posts has gone missing -> good match for inexperienced scum, but a poor choice for a lynch today since I know nothing about his play). I'm not quite sold on any lynch in particular yet, but I'm against lynching hiro. The I moved the discussion to wiggles and palmar is the one who agrees with me. Have you read my posts and do you think wbg's night actions are solid? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 25 2011 07:28 sandroba wrote: No, when prpl didn't cc you on the spot I assumed he was vanilla. You couldn't have said you jailed me every night because that would be an even more absurd use of a role, downright impossible to believe. You are saying that you have absolutely no reads this game so far, since you vote both hiro and jay, had no reason to believe errandor was town and had to confirm prpl which by reading the thread should be confirmed by default. Occam's Razor. Why would saying jailing you every night as scum be absurd? You could just say they were trying to protect you because you're the best town player here! Hell, that's what the doctor does, right? So if you simply use the jailor like a doctor that is actually a very good use of the role. The only way it fails and you die is if scum correctly RBs the jailkeeper. I gave you why I targetted Erandorr. It made sense at the time. I should've chosen hiro or jay, but hindsight is 20/20 and in hindsight I'm dumb. I also gave you why I targetted prpl. No one is "obv town." He was attacking me on day 2 for being scummy, and he caught my blue slip. A player is pushing a mislynch with shitty logic and you say it's obvious he was town? Then once it was openly clear that jay was doing very scummy stuff he jumped on the jay bandwagon. He also kept denying that Palmar could have been right that scum would bus on day 1. All of those reasons led me to jailing prpl on n2, and I stand by all of those reasons. Call me dumb all you want if you think my night 1 action was dumb, since in hindsight it was, but my n2 action definitely was not and you attacking me for that is very revealing of your alignment. | ||
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sandroba
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sandroba
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I'm going to read the thread one more time =/ | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On November 16 2011 09:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Mr. Wiggles, I don't believe I've ever seen you play town. Nonetheless, your first post is moronic. You're obviously not new, and I assume you have a functioning cerebral cortex. Thus, I think you should stop distracting town with a brainless question and an equally brainless answer to your own question. Next time, ask people what their favorite color is, because I'm sure that'll be more relevant to finding scum than what you posted. On November 25 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote: Are you insane decon? I pointed out why wiggles was suspicious before anyone else did. The I moved the discussion to wiggles and palmar is the one who agrees with me. Have you read my posts and do you think wbg's night actions are solid? Sandro you're a liar. I was the first one to point it out, not you. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On November 25 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote: Are you insane decon? I pointed out why wiggles was suspicious before anyone else did. The I moved the discussion to wiggles and palmar is the one who agrees with me. Have you read my posts and do you think wbg's night actions are solid? Nope. On November 25 2011 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Sandro you're a liar. I was the first one to point it out, not you. Also nope. It was Meapak/me: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Look at the timestamps: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On November 16 2011 09:02 wherebugsgo wrote: On November 16 2011 19:10 sandroba wrote: | ||
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sandroba
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If you did that as scum props to you, I now think you are town. I also read meapak case on you and he dismisses it as soon as there is resistance and there is someone easier to get lynched. I won't be switch my vote anymore, so either prpl decides to lynch mz or you lynch me as I won't vote wbg anymore. My conspiracy theory entratained me for a while, but if wbg put that much effort building a solid jailer claim and had the balls to claim it on lylo like that, then he deserves to win. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziph | ||
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sandroba
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wherebugsgo
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PRPL WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU | ||
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deconduo
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Radfield
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I'd be completely fine with shortening the day to 24 hours, btw. I think I'm the only American left since decon is replacing Meapak, and I have no thanksgiving plans. Since Decon is just subbing in, I'd rather leave the Day length at 48 hours today. Deadline will be tomorrow night at 02:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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