also that reevaluation line is something I've said as town before.

Everyone needs to do it, not only scum or town. You reevaluate regardless of the flip.

Obviously in this game if hiro flipped scum it wouldn't be necessary.

Although I think that first quoted line was said day 1, where it didn't matter if hiro flipped town or scum. We'd have to reevaluate, always.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

November 26 2011 22:08 GMT

#642

yeah actually I changed the protections at the last minute.

What I said happened was actually 100% true. I was planning on saying that prpl was confirmed town and sandro was confirmed town if I died, and that the players would see why if I flipped.

Instead, I was in a LoL game that lasted too long and I showed up in the thread at 6:05. I actually hadn't thought about who I would've protected if I was the real jailor, so I went with my reads of "who made sense" and when. Day 1 it was actually Palmar who was making more sense than Erandorr, but I switched it around because obviously Palmar died. (oops lol)

Then I said my n2 target was prpl because I thought I could make the most valid argument for him being scummy out of the remaining two players.

Only about 5 seconds after I posted did I realize I could've just said I protted sandro every night.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 26 2011 22:09 GMT

#643

On November 26 2011 12:16 Radfield wrote:
Wherebugsgo! Too good at scum!

Ace #2.

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

November 26 2011 22:15 GMT

#644

I think you said it on Day 2 or 3, when there was only one scum left. That's what made it stick out a little to me, because if he flipped scum, there's no need to re-evaluate, because the game is over. :p Like I said it was probably nothing, I just found it funny because I knew you were scum.

Again, very good job.

hiro protagonist

1294 Posts

November 26 2011 22:16 GMT

#645

First off, Hats off to WBG, played a great game. You played the fake blue role very well, Had me convinced. Also good game by Prplhz. you where right about WBG the whole time, and I felt you where town all game long.

Secondly, sorry again for my bad play. I need to learn to not go on tilt when I come under suspicion, because I often get phased by it and then say stupid shit =p. That and post with more clarity, which I find hard to do when I don't have as much time as I would like to play the game. Also, sorry for vanishing the last day I was alive, I thought there was 24 hours more before the lynch. Derp. My mistake was not doing what Meapak did and find a replacement when life got busy, I thought I could do it all, lol. I promise I wont do that in future games, and opt-out if I cant devote the time I need to play the game well. Thanks again to Rad and choaser for hosting.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

November 26 2011 22:19 GMT

#646

yup thanks to Rad+Chaoser for hosting ^^ fun game haha

playing scum is so entertaining. Although it must be frustrating to be misled over and over haha. This game was like a rollercoaster, at times I felt I was really close to being found.

Day 4 was the most nerve-wracking for me, I kept f5ing to see if someone had posted something new. Ultimately I had no idea who would get lynched, I just went with the flow.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 26 2011 23:32 GMT

#647

On November 27 2011 07:02 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba actually thought you were 99% scum after the claim because your protections made no sense at all. You had the game won until you made the claim as sandroba was completely convinced meapak was it before that

sandroba didn't think wherebugsgo was scum, he voted him briefly after I claimed doc but then he decided that the claim was too good for wherebugsgo to be scum and he voted deconduo. Game over. If wherebugsgo had not claimed and Meapak_Ziphh or sandroba had been jailer and claimed that, then he would have to counter claim and that would put him in a more difficult situation I think. He might as well just claim straight up, especially when he had it breadcrumbed so well.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 26 2011 23:35 GMT

#648

On November 27 2011 08:32 prplhz wrote:

Show nested quote +

I talked to sandroba about it and he said that for a while he thought wbg was guaranteed scum purely based on the claim but then convinced himself against it later due to other things

Ace

United States16096 Posts

November 26 2011 23:45 GMT

#649

WBG didn't breadcrumb anything. He delayed a false role claim. He'd need to be proven innocent via death for his bread crumb to be legit with no detective around. I've said it before and I'll say it again: You can not breadcrumb protections or investigations and still be alive. I think the reason some of you guys bought his claim is because you believe breadcrumbs = legit claim.

Palmar

Iceland22631 Posts

November 27 2011 01:44 GMT

#650

On November 26 2011 23:03 Erandorr wrote:
Very very well played by Bugs, Hiro lynch was retarded but still justifiable in my opinion, the jay lynch was just stupid. I should have forced an alternative, but honestly i was not 100 percent convinced that he is town at that point myself, even though I was against the lynch.

WBG plays a great scum game. Giant walls of text that no one reads and also very importantly, people(me) underestimate his town play by a lot and actually think he could play this badly. Palmar, could you explain why you were so certain that bugs was scum?

Irrelevant of later plays, I would have pushed for a WBG lynch on day 2, as can be seen in the observer topic.

Thing is, WBG is now in a stage in mafia games, where he is considered good enough to be forced to make logical calls. His case against Hiro on day one was pretty bad, which is why I immediately dispelled it. I found wiggles more scummy and gave WBG the benefit of the doubt.

This lead me to say something like "The only possible solutions to the puzzle are meapak and wbg". This was because I was already sure Hiro, Jay and Sandroba were town. Errandor could potentially have been troublesome. But WBG would be forced into pushing a lynch on him with me alive, severely limiting his options to make a convincing case.

And again, I said WBG over meapak because of something I can't remember. I tend to pick up on tiny things (anyone remember where I correctly decided tnkted was town in cosmic horror because he posted "lol"?), and something meapak said, or the way he said it made me think "This guy is legit".

So by elimination, I had to go with WBG as the final scum. But his scum play is still so good I can't be certain I'd have gotten him hanged properly.