EPTOn November 22 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Let's kill hiro, and then afterward we'll need to reevaluate.
Let's kill hiro, and then afterward we'll need to reevaluate.
Couldn't believe no-one picked up on this at the time :-)
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
Couldn't believe no-one picked up on this at the time :-) | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I try to learn something from every game I am in but I am having a hard time seeing what I could have done differently in this game. I feel like I had good reads and I really tried hard to argue for myself but it just seemed like there was no way to convince anybody of anything I said. I argued against lynching jaybrundage and against lynching hiro protagonist and all the while I argued for lynching wherebugsgo. Was there anything I could have done differently/better to maybe have a better chance of getting wherebugsgo lynched over the two townies? I really think I thought everything through very thoroughly and I didn't think it would make sense that anybody else should be the last scum. I got this idea at the beginning of day2 and it stayed with me all the way. I have no idea how I was able to argue for the same lynch 3 days in a row without getting lynched, shot or having my lynch go through. I would like if somebody could possibly explain this to me. There was probably a lot I missed and maybe I even suspected wherebugsgo for the wrong reasons, maybe this was why I could not garner any support at all. How could I have made wherebugsgo slip up in a way that would convince other people to consider the possibility of him being scum? Was there anything I should have mentioned that I didn't? I think I wrote a ton of stuff about him in the thread and I never seriously considered that anybody else could be scum. It just didn't make any sense when I thought about it. About my doctor role, I think it used it absolutely right. sandroba and Palmar were my candidates for night1 protect. There were no major reasons to have either one with me into mid/late game over the other, and they were obviously prime targets for a scum that had to take chances after a disastrous day1. Maybe I should have brought Palmar because he stays more active, but I thought that sandroba is better scum hunter and that he is more level headed and less likely just go on a crusade and have everybody follow mostly because of his reputation. It's too far fetched to say anything about how the game would have turned out if I had protected Palmar over sandroba on night1, but if I could play this over I'd definitely give him benefit of the doubt and protect Palmar instead. wherebugsgo played a terrific game and I'm sure he had his fun too, but I also think that town did pretty bad considering what a great start we had. Thanks to Radfield and chaoser for hosting. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 26 2011 19:54 jaj22 wrote: Couldn't believe no-one picked up on this at the time :-) What is there to pick up? That's what sandroba thought too and he's one of the best regular townies on this subforum. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
The only things you should've done differently are protecting me on n1. I disagree entirely with doc protects on meta, just protect whomever seems to be willing to put in time and is making sense. Everyone has good games and bad games, and I was feeling on my game for this one. But, protecting sandroba was not a terrible choice, definitely the second best. Secondly you should have claimed medic immediately at lylo. It didn't matter this game, but always claim immediately in lylo, there is no reason to hold it off. These are both very, very minor mistakes, and in both cases you did the next best thing. I'd actually say you played best town game of us all this game. I'm impressed. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
I may be wrong, but I felt it was a line that WBG was unlikely to write in the circumstances if he wasn't scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I couldn't tell that you were feeling on your game and I have no idea if what that means, if anything, really. Also, last day was mylo, not lylo. So why should I have claimed first thing at mylo/lylo? I think if you're considered townie then you might as well just wait and see if somebody else claims something stupid and then you just won the game. The jaybrundage lynch was very stupid I think too but maybe for different reasons, I tried to prevent it from happening but I thought that if sandroba got jaybrundage out of the way maybe he'll come around and see things my way. This was also one of the reasons I thought wherebugsgo was scum, I doubt he would have allowed that to happen but I was kinda powerless. How could I have prevented it? I made an argument that he seemed genuinely newbie, his day1 vote didn't fit how I think newbie scum would play, and Mr. Wiggles would have left him something to go by which he would have followed, and that something wasn't "go for sandroba". What could I have done more to prevent it? The logic itself "Mr. Wiggles probably had a scum buddy with low to no town pull" is (obviously) not fail proof, even though I think it's not too stupid either. @wherebugsgo I'm very interested, did you hit sandroba on night4 or did you just hold your shot? If you hit sandroba then that makes your jailer claim even more impressive, but yea I doubt it. Also, why didn't you just hit me and then make lynch between sandroba/Meakap_Ziphh/deconduo on last day with your jailer claim? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 26 2011 20:26 jaj22 wrote: It's missing the qualifier for the case that Hiro is scum (and so no re-evaluation would be required), which suggests that the possibility isn't prominent in his mind. Odd given that he had Hiro as one of his two scum candidates at the start of the day. I may be wrong, but I felt it was a line that WBG was unlikely to write in the circumstances if he wasn't scum. Maybe you're right but I'm just not a big fan of stuff like that. A one liner is nothing to lynch by, it might attract some attention but that thing there, I doubt it would have convinced anybody of anything. Did you follow the game by the way, I have never seen you in here before? You should join a game some time. I mean a townie would have to reevaluate if the lynch is town too. Some people say that townies should always just think that their lynch is 100% scum but the only people who know other people's alignment for sure are scum. If anything, this is an unnecessary townie tell that really just degenerates into WIFOM so I would just ignore it (and I did). | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On November 26 2011 20:39 prplhz wrote: Maybe you're right but I'm just not a big fan of stuff like that. A one liner is nothing to lynch by, it might attract some attention but that thing there, I doubt it would have convinced anybody of anything. I think the best outcome is that it jolts someone who was railroading themself into re-evaluating WBG's record. On its own it's minor evidence at best. Did you follow the game by the way, I have never seen you in here before? You should join a game some time. I read through the last newbie mini and followed this one from the start. Other than that I'm a complete Mafia noob. I'll probably play the next mini. | ||
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Erandorr
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
WBG plays a great scum game. Giant walls of text that no one reads and also very importantly, people(me) underestimate his town play by a lot and actually think he could play this badly. Palmar, could you explain why you were so certain that bugs was scum? | ||
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Erandorr
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I need to stop making shitty first posts to promote "discussion". Really have to find a better way to jump into games if I'm not around when they start, haha. At least I did a decent job of not attaching myself to anyone too hard, or "clearing" anyone too hard. imo Also gratz to WBG, he played a very good game (Better than me lol). WBG #1 scum Wiggles #2 scum (Sandroba #3 scum??? :p) | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I couldn't force a lynch of sandro or decon if I didn't claim. If anyone CCed me, I would've instantly pushed their lynch. I knew I could outargue them. I knew the likelihood of there being 2 blues was almost nonexistent. I breadcrumbed in advance because jailor was the only role I knew I could argue for and make it useful even if I had no useful information on the decisive day. It wasn't a useless claim. Without the claim it would've been very gimmicky and hard for me to outargue Meapak. Prpl was on Meapak's side and I couldn't afford having 2 auto votes on me. Sandro could easily at that point decide to attack me. With the claim I put town in a tough spot. I knew prpl would probably still attack me but I knew that if I claimed correctly the argument would eventually come down to sandro+meapak. Also I held my shot on n3, I roleblocked prpl two nights in a row because I thought he was blue. Also on n3 because I knew the argument had to come down between sandro+meapak I figured if either of them is blue it didn't matter so I roleblocked prpl again. I had the best blue read on him after I shot Erandorr. I shot Palmar n1 because he was making sense, but also because I wanted to shift suspicion away from me+Meapak onto people who would've "bussed" wiggles. Chose to roleblock Erandorr because he was playing very differently and so I thought he was blue. N2 I shot Erandorr and RBed prpl for the same reasons, basically. Those two were the only ones giving me a blue vibe so I only focused on them. Sandro and meapak were never really threats because they believed I was town. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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