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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 24 2011 22:08 sandroba wrote: Can scum hold off their shot? Yes, scum can elect not to shoot. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Can we shorten the day to 24 hours? If all four players agree to shorten any particular cycle I will oblige. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Let me tell you why this is extremelly convinient. He couldn't claim he went for me or meapak at any point besides today because that would limit his options. Also he couldn't have said he jailed jay or hiro at any point, since he would have to confirm these people on previous lynches and not have voted for them. In fact the only possible combination of players wbg could possibly say he jailed are exactly errandor + someone he thought was the least likely to get lynched, in this case prplhz. Couple that with the discussion that TL towns are too trusting and they always take claims at face value, which wbg argued against, you have here many coincidences going on. It seems like he has been setting up this claim for a long time to prove his point. The fact that meapak claimed vanilla, when I was expecting him to counterclaim wbg if he was scum, also bothers me. The likelyhood of there being 2 blues is 1/2 and the likelyhood of both being alive at this point is extremelly slim. The likelyhood of wbg, an inteligent player, using his role like ass is close to null. You did a good job fooling me this game, but in the end you got cocky and wanted to prove your point. ##unvote ##vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 24 2011 22:36 Radfield wrote: If all four players agree to shorten any particular cycle I will oblige. I agree. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Wtf? If I was scum why wouldn't I just have shot prpl last night? That would be 100 times easier than trying to pull a fake claim of jailor when someone CCs me. Prpl claiming doctor does not make me confirmed, true, but I don't become scum because of it. Use your brain, I'm not that good at scum. I chose badly n1. I attest to that. I wasn't thinking very much about it until the next night, really. I figured I'd try to confirm Erandorr instead of use my role strictly offensively or defensively because I thought back to last mini where GM suggested using the jailor role offensively. I thought it was a dumb idea both times but I didn't think about how we'd already killed one scum. I also doubted scum would kill Erandorr (I was wrong) so he'd be a good check for confirmed town. I used similar logic for prpl. I should've gone for jay/hiro, but I didn't. I'm dumb. Something about prpl was bothering me so I went for him n2. Turns out he's blue, I was right, something about his play was different because of that. Why do you think I kept brushing him off on day 2? If I were scum I would've attacked him. That's what I do when people suspect me as scum. It's because I'm generally confident I can out argue them. Sandro, you're one of those players I know I can't fool nor outargue. So the fact that you're saying I'm scum based on prpl claiming doctor is surprising. It's shocking. It's completely illogical, since prpl claiming doctor doesn't actually do anything. Yeah, it makes me not 100% confirmed. But as scum why the hell would I take such a massive risk? If I were scum prpl could have been cop or jailor too, and visited me last night. One of you could have been jailor/cop and visited me last night. If I were scum they BOTH could have existed. As scum breadcrumbing jailkeeper 3 days in advance just to claim is ludicrous. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 24 2011 11:32 prplhz wrote: Man, I'm going to look like a fool if wherebugsgo actually is town, but in that case he played like crap. If he is scum he played rather well. What do you think is more likely? Also, I just wrote a bunch of stuff it would be sweet if any of you guys have time to comment on it. Thank you. -_- Didn't notice this before but yeah, if you think I've played bad then yeah lol I've played reallyy bad. I'm sorry :/ even now I'm confused because sandro's being dumb too and Meapak has disappeared. It's thanksgiving though, I guess we need to wait. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
How do you feel about nobody dying last night? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 25 2011 04:55 sandroba wrote: Yeah, the fact that you would fake claim at this spot does surprise me, but considering the discussion we had on the previous game I think you are trying to prove a point and you planned to do so since early on. Your night actions make absolutely no sense. From your perspective it was damn near obvious that either me or palmar would get shot night 1. Errandor was not nearly a high priority person to protect. From your perspective the obvious choice would be for me/palmar defensively or hiro/jay/mz offensivelly. Instead you go for errandor then prplhz. Other than that it was the most terrible use of jailer role in that spot with one scum left. I said day 2 how it would be the optimal way of using it, but I'm sure you would have thought of it on your own day 1. You could have gone for people you deemed suspicious and confirm one of them with very high odds and save town from mislynching one of them. Instead you chose to completely waste your role. I simply can't believe you can play so bad having a role that I deemed auto win for town after day1 scum lynch. If you are somehow town and used your role this poorly accept the fact that you lost town this game. However I'm pretty sure you would not play so poorly having such a powerful role with 1 scum down. So again, you're ignoring everything because you think I'm trying to prove a point? This is terrible argumentation and you know it. I wasn't sure of anything d1, I told you that already. I also said, again, I thought about going for Palmar or Erandorr. It was a very close choice but for whatever stupid reason I thought I would magically block a scum hit if I went for Erandorr. When Palmar flipped I realized I was a moron. I did the dumb thing again and didn't go for hiro the next night, I went for prpl. It was based on the same reason I went for Erandorr (he's been playing differently). That was pretty dumb too, in hindsight, since now we know he's the doctor. Your argument comes down to this: 1. I fake claimed jailkeeper at the start of day 4 after breadcrumbing my role and both of my checks multiple times every day cycle before. 2. I fake claimed jailkeeper as scum from a perspective where at least one person would CC me for sure. How does this make sense? 3. I used my role dumbly, and even for me that's dumb so I'm scum (lol) 4. prpl claiming doctor makes me scum. Sandro stop being dumb. If you lynch me and town loses, it won't be entirely my fault this time (like it was in XLV). The burden will also be on you, since you're ignoring a mountain of evidence to call me scum just on the basis that I am dumb. Yeah, I'm dumb. I've been dumb. That doesn't make me scum in the least, it just makes me dumb. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
What wouldn't surprise me at all is you planning to pull this stunt to show how towns are wrong on trusting claims. Yes it's poor play if you are scum, but it reflects your proud personality. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I intended on posting before the daypost (but I was in a LoL match, hahaha) that if I died you and prpl were confirmed town and Meapak was scum. I knew that if I lived, it didn't matter which one of you I picked to block, the result would be the same. Either I die and you're confirmed town (or if I chose Meapak he's confirmed town) except in the case of roleblock, or I live and one of you two is scum. Do you not see that? I figured scum would not shoot prpl because they can use prpl to mislynch me. He's been going after me for a while and I haven't been able to say "yo prpl I know you're town cause I'm jailor stop tunneling me" because doing so would reveal my role and I would die. Instead I kept telling him to stop being dumb and wasting time. I wouldn't do that if I was scum, I'd beat the shit out of him because I'm 90% sure I'd win over prpl in an argument. Lastly, you're calling this a stunt and saying I'm trying to prove something?!?! this makes me scum? rofl. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Since Meapak claimed vanilla after you I'm unsure again because I fully expected one of you to CC me. I suppose from either of your perspectives if one of you is scum then it would be a risk to claim after I did, since it was possible I was the only one, or that prpl could be blue too. In that case it makes sense you both would just claim vanilla and attack the other one. Last night I was leaning more toward Meapak being town because I found it weird that you were the last vote on Wiggles, you said very little all day 1 and day 2, and you even pointed out your own lack of activity. I also had agreed with most of what Meapak had done, since obviously I shared most of his views. On daybreak when you claimed vanilla I thought Meapak was more likely to be scum because optimally for scum in that situation would be to wait till everyone posts and then counterclaim any blue who claims. Meapak didn't CC though, he just claimed vanilla. Now he's gone. So there's my confusion. I'm back to square one, either of you could be scum. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I have company coming for thanksgiving in 30 minutes so I've asked to have decon replace me since I don't feel it's fair to be afk during the final part of the game. He's agreed so Rad just has to make it official. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
prpl is convinced I'm scum so it really doesn't matter. Even if we no lynch neither of you would ever shoot me, we'd be back in this same situation tomorrow with prpl dead. You RB me, shoot prpl, back to square one. I'm going to think this over for a bit. I am literally torn 50/50 between Meapak and sandro right now. I'll hopefully be done rereading again in about 10-20 minutes (I'm on page 22). | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 22 2011 17:54 sandroba wrote: The thing is prpl, wbg is my least likely suspect of being scum after you, based on behavior alone. I already pointed out why I don't think he is scum. I'd rather take my chances with hiro today. Everyone seems very concerned about who to lynch today and people are strugling to make the right choice. Everyone besides hiro. That's since day 1, he only pops in right before the lynch and votes. He is prob the last scum, since everybody else has more things pointing to them being town. ##Vote: Hiro Protagonist okay this post on page 23 did it for me. Sandro goes from me being the least likely suspect for being scum after prpl, to me being scum today. I agree with what Meapak has said about sandro; they are all true and those are things I've thought as well. I just haven't had the confidence to believe in them this game. In addition, Meapak hasn't done anything overtly scummy beyond vote hiro day 1, and I'm guilty of that myself. We both messed up day 1 and I've otherwise thought Meapak has played very town-like. I don't think his play has been sub-par at all. Sandro's play has just been kinda off. He has had bad reads all after day 1. He's using really bad logic today to try to lynch me, disbelieving my claim JUST because prpl claimed doctor and on the assumption that I'm trying to prove something (rofl). If you need to use something personal like that from last game then why make the argument at all? Prpl claiming doctor doesn't make me scum, and saying that I'm trying to prove something doesn't make me scum either. He also delayed till the last possible moment on day 1 to hammer wiggles. He waited until it was obvious wiggles would die, since he probably knew Meapak and I would not let a no-lynch happen on day 1. So he hammered wiggles to give himself a lot of town cred. As Meapak said, after that he pretty much disappeared for quite a while. prpl, this lynch comes down to you. I know you think I'm scum, but you're wrong. You need to seriously rethink everything right now, since most of what you have said is wrong. You said that as scum I would know that the jailor doesn't exist, that's false. You said that a blue would've claimed before now, that's also false. You've said that I'm scum because I was on the wrong side of the lynch day 1, that's also false, by definition, since at least one of Meapak/me cannot be scum. If you think I'm scum for that reason then I really question why you don't have a suspicion of Meapak. Look at the evidence. If you actually believe I'm scum fake claiming jailkeeper after breadcrumbing for 3 days straight then I really don't know what to tell you. ##unvote Meapak Ziphh ##vote sandroba I'd be completely fine with shortening the day to 24 hours, btw. I think I'm the only American left since decon is replacing Meapak, and I have no thanksgiving plans. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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