EPTDay 4 - Another One Bites The Dus--Oh Wait...
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
No one is dead You have 48 hours to decide a lynch | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Vote wherebugsgo And I'm gonna finish my post. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I was gonna post this right before deadline but I was in a LoL match. I'm the jailor. I protted Erandorr night 1 and then prpl night 2. This makes prpl 95% town (the only chance he's not is that I was roleblocked by him). Last night I chose to prot sandro. This either means sandro is the scum, or sandro was hit by Meapak. I don't believe I was roleblocked when I checked prpl because he called me out on my soft blue claim in my first post (though I never asked him how he knew because I was afraid other people would catch onto me being blue if I mentioned it) and since he caught it I'm sure he would have killed me instead if he was scum. So, yeah, prpl pretty much has to be town, it's sandro or meapak. I'll come back with more thoughts later. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On wherebugsgo Mr. Wiggles only touches on him once and that is right here: On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [...] Wherebugsgo: This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player. [...] This is distancing is anything is distancing. It is subtle, it doesn't make sense and he feels the need to point out how "This is interesting". He also talks about other players but he stays more analytic when talking about them. In this post he has a hard time coming up with anything on wherebugsgo, so he feels like he has to point out that what he's saying here is actually interesting then he says that he is scummy, but why does he think he's scummy? Because he pointed out that Mr. Wiggles was scummy, which he was. This isn't scummy at all, what Mr. Wiggles does here is very subtle distancing. While his entire post seemed fake, this seemed more fake than the rest of it in my eyes. On November 18 2011 20:10 sandroba wrote: WBG I think is town because he didn't attack my credibility even though he could have easily done so and get away with it since I've posted very little in the first 24 hours. This is insanity. You are saying that "wbg is town because he didn't do this scummy thing that he would always do" this is WIFOM. I know you think that wherebugsgo would have tried to lynch Meapak_Ziphh over Mr. Wiggles but I think he was very much afraid this would have tied them too hard together. I think wherebugsgo has also changed his style considerably from day1 to the next days, we all have but wherebugsgo in a different way. wherebugsgo's town is usually somewhat aggressive but most of all it is KICKASS. Look at day1, he made a huge post laying everything down and voting hiro protagonist. Look at him since then, he's just bandwagon'd sandroba. He doesn't really do any active scum hunting or analysis which really doesn't strike me as him. I'd suspect even him of altering his behavior when being 1v7. Also, wherebugsgo felt the need to soft claim blue role in first post so he could claim blue in order to muddy up the thread later. His claim right now means absolutely nothing, because the guy knows that there aren't any jailers in this game. He knows that this is a 2of2 setup as I cleared up in my post just before deadline. This jailer claim means absolutely nothing now he is only doing it to fuck everything up, and he knows this. ANY jailer with a brain (and I consider wherebugsgo to be pretty smart) would have claimed earlier, a claim right now makes absolutely no sense unless there was still some uncertainty about the setup, which there very much isn't. If a jailer didn't claim before now he would be an idiot. There are no idiots in this game. wherebugsgo therefor knows that there are no jailers. wherebugsgo claims jailer. wherebugsgo is not an idiot. wherebugsgo is a liar. wherebugsgo is a scum. THE LOGIC IS GOD DAMN IRREFUTABLE. We're going to god damn lynch wherebugsgo today. I'm sure sandroba and Meapak_Ziphh is going to fuck this up somehow but god dammit, please don't. On a no lynch today, we either lynch wherebugsgo or there's not going to be a lynch. wherebugsgo is going for Meapak_Ziphh and sandroba, he can't get either one of those lynched without my help (horay extended majority) and I'm not helping scum lynch another townie. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Also, I just wrote a bunch of stuff it would be sweet if any of you guys have time to comment on it. Thank you. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 24 2011 10:59 prplhz wrote: On Meapak_Ziphh Right so before Mr. Wiggles died he made this post about some Palmar, me, and more importantly, Meapak_Ziphh. I am saying "scum does not want scum to die on day, so Mr. Wiggles wouldn't push for another scum when he's on the chopping block, because this would mean that scum would die". People are saying "lol haven't u herd about distancing?". I understand the concept but this is not what Mr. Wiggles was doing, he was actually trying to get Meapak_Ziphh. If you don't trust me, then trust Palmar who said it looked like a genuine push in the next post. Now you can say "but this is still all just distancing." but if they had already decided that the lynch was going to be between them, that one of them would have to die, then why the hell didn't Meapak_Ziphh just move his vote over to Mr. Wiggles? If, at this point in the game, they had already decided to distance themselves from each other then why the hell didn't Meapak_Ziphh distance himself from Mr. Wiggles? Meapak_Ziphh's play this game hasn't been totally impressive, but it is very hard to do something impressive in a game this small. He voted hiro protagonist because hiro protagonist was way scummier. I totally agree with him on this actually, the amount of scummyness that hiro protagonist had displayed at this point was way bigger than what Mr. Wiggles had done, but in the light of what you should expect from those players Mr. Wiggles was still the scummier. I don't expect Meapak_Ziphh to know this I don't think he's ever thought very hard about hiro protagonist before. He also very subtly and offhandedly points out very important points throughout the game, but not for the purpose of bringing them up later as a defense or anything. I think this is very townie of him. I had more but ... On wherebugsgo Oh shit it's almost deadline. Well he's scum and I have some points but I can't post them lol. I'll post if I'm still alive in 5 mins. Not only is wherebugsgo the last scum, he's also the role blocker. If there is a role cop and he didn't claim then the guy is a moron, and nobody here is a moron so we can rule that out. This makes this a 2of3 setup. If there is a jailer out there and he didn't claim yet, that's is slightly more understandable, but it is still useless and I think it's very unlikely. This makes this a 2of2 setup. I'd say that there is a 98% chance that town has a doc left and no other blues. wherebugsgo probably knew this way before I even said anything. I think he has a good chance of pulling off a shot tonight though it all comes down to WIFOM. I think he's been enjoying this game so far, keeping me alive knowing that he's scum but not being able to do anything about it like a modern day Cassandra. If I'm not alive tomorrow, which is very likely as nobody would protect me but WIFOM, please please don't make the lynch between you two Meapak_Ziphh and sandroba. Lynch wherebugsgo. The last scum is the roleblocker, what's your point? Either I'm the only blue (the jailkeeper) or there's a doctor/cop with me. In either case, the last scum is between Meapak and Sandro. I really don't know why you still think I'm scum. You don't have a case, and you just keep reiterating that you think I'm scum without actually saying why. You say that scum wouldn't bus, but you don't address the fact that I was one of the first (if not the first? I don't remember) to call out wiggles on his shitty first post. I was fine with hiro/wiggles day 1, I just chose to vote the wrong person that day. I was wrong, and that doesn't mean I am scum. It just means I was wrong. Then, I believe you were the only one who picked up on the blue claim that I seeded in my posts. Were you not? I recall you saying something about it. I ignored it because I didn't want to draw attention to myself. I knew from the start that I would only be of use if I lived to the end. Unfortunately, I chose Erandorr over Palmar (the choice was a close one) for night 1 and Palmar ended up dying. Oh well. For the townie between Meapak/sandro: WBG's Awesome Guide to Catching Scum! I highlighted my own name blue in the first post I made. Literally right at the top. On November 17 2011 17:32 wherebugsgo wrote: also chaoser isn't a doctor, he's secretly a brutal serial killer! + Show Spoiler + jk jk jk :p I said he isn't a doctor, and then in the spoiler said "jk jk jk". This is a breadcrumb. JK=jailkeeper. On November 17 2011 17:30 wherebugsgo wrote: At any rate I think this game is locked in. We shouldn't be cocky though, it certainly is still possible we can lose. Locked in=another jailkeeper breadcrumb. On November 18 2011 15:26 wherebugsgo wrote: Jailkeeper roleblocks too -_- also So we should treat any roleblock claims as liars unless they claim cop as well. I shot down Meapak's idea of people calling roleblocks almost instantly after he posted it. Why? Because I'm a jailkeeper. Then note I mentioned Erandorr several times early that day, asking for his thoughts, mentioning how other than him nothing was happening. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
No blues have flipped yet, from scum perspective it's still equally likely for all setup combinations to be possible. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
If the blue claims he essentially just becomes a vanilla townie the rest of the way. If he found the scum it's game over but if he found a townie the scum basically will just shoot the townie and then roleblock the blue, gg and only vanilla townies left unless you luck out and there's another protective blue. Then even if there is another protective blue he has to figure out who to protect. Use your brain prpl and stop spouting nonsense. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
##Vote: Meapak_Ziph | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
@WBG Why did you use your role the way you did? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I could've chosen hiro or jaybrundage n1, true, but I was more concerned with saving n1 than confirming. With Erandorr I could do both (his play was really different this game) I realized my mistake later. And yes, I've not been as aggressive because I've been getting a lot of vibes from players this game (like Erandorr, prpl, Palmar, even hiro) that are telling me my type of play isn't conducive to good town atmosphere. I didn't want to get shot early, or worse lynched because of my play, and I have also been unsure of who is scum all game. My gut hasn't been agreeing with my brain and that makes me pause before posting. In this regard I've played very similarly to XLV. On day 1 in XLV I saw how Palmar was scummy but I was on the wrong end of the lynch. I continually pushed townies for lynch and then town turned around and said, yeah you're scum and lynched me. The difference here is that in XLV I just went for it anyway and attacked with confidence. In this game I have had very little confidence, and it's shown. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Sandro didn't fake-CC me, sandro has been playing very town-like all game, sandro hammered wiggles. He's been my strongest town read since the end of day 1. Last night Meapak said this: On November 23 2011 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: dammit Well my guess is prplhz or sandroba will die tonight. WBG it's between you and I. I guess I was an idiot trusting you but at least we've still got one more shot to win. Which means Meapak had the idea of siding with prpl and killing me already before the day began. So, I've been wrong all game about Meapak, not the other way around. He's scum. ##vote Meapak_Ziph | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: WBG I think you're town. Prphlz I think you're town. Hiro I'm on the fence but after last night's kill, and with my new hypothesis I think you're town. Sandroba I think you're scum and that you bussed Wiggles day one. There's really no other explanation of why you didn't die last night. Think about it, you and Palmar start the lynch on Wiggles, night one Palmar dies because you and him look like the towniest townies that ever towned. Logic dictates that you die next... why didn't you die? Erandorr didn't look super town, prplhz/WBG/hiro/me don't look super town either (as in we've all had people call us out at some point). This leaves you as the best shot Sandroba... and yet you're still with us. I'll make a proper case tomorrow, I'm just checking in real quick so people know how I'm thinking atm. Just gonna post this for people to consider. Although I'm fine dying tbh, we lynch me, WBG blocks sandroba again, lynch sandroba tomorrow=gg town wins. I'll abstain to make this even easier. Sandroba just give up now, there's no possible way for you to win. prplhz since I can't vote myself please don't hold us up with a no lynch and vote me, the sooner you guys can get to tomorrow the better. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
Also it would be pretty retarded if I was mafia to telegraph my hit like that post WBG quoted although that's WIFOM. Anyway I'm town, my actions speak for themselves, I've been much more active than sandroba, I've actively pushed reads whereas sandroba has been content to sit back and chill after his miraculous day one scum catch. ##Vote: sandroba | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: tl;dr: Wiggles has acted scummy but hiro has acted waay scummier. Day 2 I wanted jay dead and you wanted wbg. You posted a case on him, then dismissed it when jay posted scummy shit. Day 3 you came up with "sandroba, y u alive, you must be scum lololol" and then quickly dismissed it when I pushed hiro. You said you found that my explanation for not being shot was logical, so what exactly is your case on me? The matter of fact is that you are content with lynching whoever is up for the lynch unless it's wiggles day1, which was the only time you tried to fight the lynch. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Build a bigger case on sandroba than that two liner. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
Can we shorten the day to 24 hours? I must say, wp sandroba. Bussing wiggles day 1 was ballsy as hell but it looks like it'll work. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I'm doctor. What do you people think about that? I'm especially interested in sandroba's thoughts. I still think that wherebugsgo is scum by the way. I am not lynching a guy I think is townie after two nights of lynching people that other people thought were scum but I thought were townies. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Can scum hold off their shot? | ||
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