EPTare we going to let scum just slide by today? Wtf??!
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wherebugsgo
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are we going to let scum just slide by today? Wtf??! *pokes thread with a stick* | ||
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Radfield
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prplhz
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happy bday Meapak_Ziphh, hiro protagonist, where the hell are you guys? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MEwgu.jpg) + Show Spoiler + fwiw, I'm going to cancel at 30 minutes | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On November 21 2011 18:38 prplhz wrote: @Meapak_Ziphh You help me lynch wherebugsgo today, I'll help you lynch sandroba tomorrow. Deal? Also, if there is a cop somewhere he kinda needs to claim today, but yea I agree with sandroba that that is very unlikely. No because I think WBG is town. Also Sandroba's reason of why he didn't die made sense. Hiro is the best choice now. Enough has been said about him that there really needs to be no rehashing. He also conveniently disappears once the pressure is off him, he's done that like three times now. ##Vote: Hiro Protagonist | ||
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hiro protagonist
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On November 22 2011 09:43 hiro protagonist wrote: Sorry again for my absence. life got busy all of the sudden. I cant talk much right now, but I will post my thoughts when I finish work in 6-7 hours from now =/ ... You managed to appear any time someone calls you out. That means you're reading the thread but just not posting :/ | ||
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prplhz
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sandroba isn't scum or he wouldn't have shut down the hiro protagonist lynch that hard and with that little reason and then stuck with it, when Mr. Wiggles was looking suspicious and ended up getting lynched. I would like to lynch wherebugsgo and then I'd like to lynch Meapak_Ziphh. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On November 22 2011 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote: Meapak what do you think of prpl? I'm leaning town on him. He was the 3(?) person to vote for Wiggles. Had he not voted for Wiggles the lynch might have stalled out. He could have voted for Hiro with you and I and suddenly it's Hiro who's close to the majority. Look here's the thing WBG. I am really having a hard time thinking you're scum. You've acted fairly protown in my eyes especially when compared to someone like hiro. Now we could lynch you and then lynch me (or the other way around) but I just have a terrible feeling about that. If you don't flip scum then we lose (I'm town, I'll be the next mislynch if we decide to lynch you and I). I don't think you'll flip scum. This then means that scum voted Wiggles and it's much more likely to be hiro than prp imo. I'd love to hear what sandroba thinks. | ||
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prplhz
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wherebugsgo
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On November 22 2011 10:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm leaning town on him. He was the 3(?) person to vote for Wiggles. Had he not voted for Wiggles the lynch might have stalled out. He could have voted for Hiro with you and I and suddenly it's Hiro who's close to the majority. Look here's the thing WBG. I am really having a hard time thinking you're scum. You've acted fairly protown in my eyes especially when compared to someone like hiro. Now we could lynch you and then lynch me (or the other way around) but I just have a terrible feeling about that. If you don't flip scum then we lose (I'm town, I'll be the next mislynch if we decide to lynch you and I). I don't think you'll flip scum. This then means that scum voted Wiggles and it's much more likely to be hiro than prp imo. I'd love to hear what sandroba thinks. I actually agree with you, since I think you're town as well. Lynching you and me in any order will lose us the game. Let's kill hiro, and then afterward we'll need to reevaluate. I'm not convinced on the sandro case as of yet but atm anything is a possibility. prpl looks town and he's normally weird, but the things he is saying aren't making any sense at all. Palmar was right in that scum would probably have bussed day 1. | ||
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prplhz
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Also the night kills make perfect sense, scum felt very threatened after day1 and they needed to shoot Palmar or sandroba. That was a chance to take after they got behind day1 and when that worked out they're targeting less prominent townies because now they can play it more safe. Shooting Palmar was a nice, if a little risky move by wherebugsgo. | ||
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sandroba
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##Vote: Hiro Protagonist | ||
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sandroba
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That also explains why wiggles chose to push suspicion onto errandor/meapak instead of hiro, which would be way easier if his hope was only to avoid being lynched. Hiro had 2 votes at that point, and 2 more people (errandor/prpl) willing to vote for him instead. Instead he goes for MZ which had no votes and only one person (me) slightly suspicious of him. I guess they were trying to go for a no lynch, since 2 of their members were in the chopping block. Wbg had also 2 votes at that point, but those were mainly random votes and nobody had a real case on wbg. Wbg is an influential player, and were he scum, he would have fought the lynch harder and try to push somebody else. As scum he uses pseudo-townie traits of agressiviness and certainty to push the lynch onto other people, but this game we see that wbg wasn't really sure if he was right on his case on hiro (since me/palmar dissagreed with it) or the case on wiggles was better. That seemed to genuinely transpire in his posts. Yeah, he could be playing to especially fool me, but then he would have to worry about the rest of town going after him (meapak on day 2 and now you today). So my conclusion is that wbg would have played this game very differently were he scum with wiggles and I'm going to stick to my guns. | ||
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prplhz
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I'm gonna stick to my guns too, I'm voting wherebugsgo and I suggest everybody do the same. We lynched a guy I had a townie read on yesterday, I'm not going to repeat that mistake again today. I really thought you'd drop all this lynching-people-you-can't-really-read thing after jaybrundage flipped town but apparently not. hiro protagonist is town and wherebugsgo is scum and it's pretty frustrating that you can't see this. Also, this game is lost, nobody else wants to lynch wherebugsgo except maybe hiro protagonist and he's gone after today, sandroba wants to kill me and Meapak_Ziphh wants to kill sandroba. | ||
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sandroba
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And why exactly isn't hiro scum? You seemed to think so previously. | ||
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prplhz
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I don't think Mr. Wiggles was bussed and I don't think he tried to bus anyone. This leaves wherebugsgo. This is a very simple premise with a very simple conclusion, yet you'd rather think "scum probably lynched each other on day1". I think this is very weird. On top of that, I have a much easier time thinking that hiro protagonist is town than that wherebugsgo is town. wherebugsgo did some questionable decision making day1 and I don't think he's done better since then. I don't know much about Mr. Wiggles, but judging from his scum play this game, he is not the greatest scum player ever. I am not the greatest town player ever but even I caught on to him. (sorry dude) I have played a few games with hiro protagonist and right now he strikes me as town. I don't think he would have the audacity to throw the 4th vote on his scum buddy on day1. His activity level and his reads so far have seemed to me like his usual town play. It is also worth mentioning that he just quit TL Mafia XVII because he had some urgency, so he's not just doing the scummy lurker thing right now. Man. I was really hoping that you'd drop the lynch-people-who-are-bad-townies-because-you-can't-get-a-good-read-on-them-thing after jaybrundage flipped town. I'm not going to vote for another townie again. | ||
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sandroba
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Hiro starts day one very sketchy with the whole "I knew he was trolling" deal, when he stated that it was logical to vote wbg day and that he wasn't trolling. Yet he doesn't vote for wbg. He goes after meapak who is calling him out on useless posting (like "I will take a hard stance on anyone that tries to derail this thread!" or "Let's start this off on the right foot!"). He later says that scum will try to pretend they are contributing without actually adding anything, which is exactly what he is doing at that point. On November 16 2011 08:30 hiro protagonist wrote: Well, If everything I say is obvious, and does not need stating, perhaps I should just stop posting... I dont know, perhaps its because the activity level right now is bad? What else is there to say other than the obvious? How can we analysis if know one is saying anything. Im the current lynch target which is fine, but at least Im talking. So perhaps everyone else could come in and give us some insight please ^_^ Here is some more obvious stuff that does not need to be said: one mafia is almost surly lurking due to the activity in the thread so far. I think its very likely that one of Palmar, Meapak, Wiggles, or Sandroba is scum. Right now Im leaning towards Meapak. He says here he is having a hard time coming up with relevant things to talk about and scum does have a hard time doing analyses on anyone out of the blue because they KNOW they are innocent. The bolded statement is something that shouldn't be obvious to anybody besides mafia, who knows their buddy wiggles is lurking. Anyway he keeps going for meapak out of pure omgus, he posted no real reasons why meapak is scum. On November 16 2011 12:28 hiro protagonist wrote: OK, here are my reads so far: 2.Mr Wiggles- null read. His first post was obviously trying to draw out reactions. both scum and town would can do that so it sheds no alignment. His second post has his reads on everyone one that responded to him. He does not give his opinion on the current lynch target. 4.Meapak_Ziphh- leaning Red. Its not anything that he said, more its his overall style in the game so far. He jumps on easy targets AKA both my "generic post" and Wiggle's first post. He undercuts my statement of trying to start things on the right foot by saying its worthless, something that is clearly a mafia agenda IMO. Will be watching. And now for my vote. and I will place it on WBG. here is why: -Bugs still has the same arrogant aggressive Behavior as every other game hes played. He is wrong most of the time as town, and It has cost the town the game on more than one occasion. -I dont think we should allow someone that can be so obtuse and grating a free pass. -I simply am gonna ignore WBGs for the rest of the game, but that will be easier once he is no longer in it. ##Vote: Wherebugsgo Here are his thoughts on the relevant subjects (the rest was mostly null reads with no comments). He still thinks meapak might be red and votes wbg because of the same reason he refused to vote for him before. Note that now both his and wbg's wagon is picking up pace, so it's convenient to place his vote on wbg. His next post is when wiggles already has 3 votes, he has 2 and I had said I'd be waiting for wiggles response before I vote. At that point he could either support wiggles or mz as those are the lynches being pushed besides his. Now if you are scum at that point and having 2 people voting for you and 3 for your partner what do you do? Even if you both manage to scape the lynch (which is very unlikely at that point), after MZ flips townie you are in deep shit, since a lot of people already suspect you. So he does a miraculous 180 and even admits that MZ was right in thinking he was scum: On November 17 2011 08:43 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, first off, Meapak: This is his first game relevint post: Solid in calling out people. aggresive. I make a point that my post was not worthless, arguing that posting it early in the day and when most people had not posted much the reason that it had worth. To "set the tone" i said. Meapak disagrees and we argue some back and forth when he responds to something I said with this: His logic his correct and I have to admit that my logic is weak, as well as hypocritical. something that WBG will later bring up. he then disperse's for awhile comes back with this: no changing his mind. My conclusion is that he is actively pushing a lynch based on solid logic. also comments about a few others like wiggles, Erandorr, giving his opinion on them. Giving him a second look, I less inclined to think he is scum, but will be watching him as the days go on. now, on to wiggles: so, other than his "throw out a lure" first post he has only posted twice. spolierd for length + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I wasn't active. I'm home now, and before that I was just on at school for a half hour at lunch, so I posted something in hopes of there being discussion when I came home, discussion which up until a little while ago has been largely absent. The "let's lynch random player X" train wasn't exactly full of content when it was completely off-hand and based on nothing. Until recently, no one has really produced any actual content, in my eyes. We had 4 pages which were basically Palmar asking to lynch WBG before he'd even posted and then for RNGing the lynch and people telling him no. Neither of those even needed a response, they were just bad ideas with no discussion value besides giving people something to bash on. It's like when someone comes up with a bad plan for town and we spend 10 pages attacking it. Everyone can do it and it doesn't produce real content. Basically, I wanted something to read (which I got), and my post drew out a few reactions which I liked. Erandorr: He's trying hard to be GMarshal. He wants to lead the town along with generic advice and constant appeals to do what's best for town (activity, etc.). This can be seen by the quick reaction to my post, pointing out that it was useless and wouldn't generate good discussion. This is good in and of itself, but he's someone who has to be watched to see if he actually starts to give concrete information on other players in the game, or just continues to act as the "advising townie". Basically, whether he keeps up with the generic advice or starts to contribute concrete and strong analysis. Meapak_Ziphh: Here's our aggressive player. He jumped on my post a lot more forcefully than Erandorr did, before quickly moving on to Palmar, WBG, and then finally Hiro. I'm interested in seeing how he plays after Day 1, because right now he's just cycling through targets, and that could either be him as a townie trying to pressure and find scum, or as scum trying to elicit a response from a skittish townie or blue and take us to a mislynch. He needs to be watched for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is. jaybrundage: Right now, he's being a sheep. That's either due to the fact that he's new, or because he's trying to blend in. He got called out early, and after that he's just sort of been going along with majority opinion. Case in point: Something to be aware of as we approach LYLO. Wherebugsgo: This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player. So, my post got me some information that I consider valuable and more information on certain players than the rest of the thread did before that (besides maybe Hiro). Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell. Now one thing has caught my eye, and thats the following: first in his post he talks about Meapak: Remember this bolded part. So when there is some heat on, says this: So instead of "watching for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is" he votes on Meapak for disappearing . thats a bit of a jump from "watch this guys post" to "He is scum". the other thing that has bothered me about Wiggles is that he makes no mention of me at all, when the rest of town has put up there thoughts on me. Why leave me out wiggles when I was looking very scummy? So based on what others have said, as well as my own reads, I am be OK with lynching Wiggles. All the rest: I have a funny feeling about Prphz, and I would be OK with lynching him. WBG is slightly more readable and reasonable so far this game, which in its self makes me feel funny but I cant deny his actions have been protown so far. Ill need more time to read over Sand and Palmar  Ill be around till slightly before lynch Yes, he suddenly no longer thinks meapak is scum and attacks the person who is going after him! Sometimes you do change your mind and alterate your reads completely, but that normally takes someone flipping something that completely destroys your previous reads. Later errandor attacks him on his connection to wiggles to which he responds: On November 20 2011 08:14 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, your reads are right. my post saying "would anyone like to lynch someone other than me/wiggles" looks bad, but I was tying to spur some discussion, albeit badly. Wiggles makes a few post subtly referencing me. As well as not bringing me up when I was the major lynch target. I know Im town, so I think He was looking buddy up to me in case he dies, to make me look bad. On November 20 2011 08:32 hiro protagonist wrote: The time he tried to buddy up to me: the time I point out that Wiggles did not discuss me: I thought it was scummy then, and I think he wanted to make me look bad in case he died. that, or he did not want to look like he was to much for a mislynch. Which doesn't make sense, because the time referenced here wiggles was not on the chopping block, so the thought of him getting lynched day 1 prob never crossed his mind. Also he says he thought he was scummy then, but he doesn't state that in his reads, he put him as null. So there you go. Couple all that with the fact that he doesn't give a shit about this or the previous lynch, he popped in late to vote jay who he never mentioned before in any of his posts, you'll see that there is a high possibility of him being the last scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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If your argument is that Wiggles mentioned Meapak, then I don't think you understand the difference between bussing and distancing. | ||
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