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On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote:
You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate
Not a moment of questioning it? You're willing to buy the claim? For all you know, we could just be hoping that there isn't a PC. Or we could be trying to draw out the true parity cop.
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On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes.
Yay, irrelevant setup discussion
On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. LOL Red saying yes to both. Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1. In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons. The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp.
Yay for more saying obvious things!
On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather....
Irrelevant
On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:06 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 09:01 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:57 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Lynch minus two is three votes.
Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.
In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.
Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie. I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green. GM are you not understanding what I'm saying? A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes. gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one. ... I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. What in the eff Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be). Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught. So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town. ##vote Team Edward Ouch that came out wrong :p Eventhough i still think this is the best way of playing team mafia, i'm not promoting it. Everyone read there msg, everyone knows there role so actually nobody can do what i've told. I was actually thinking this right when i subscribed for this game, thats why i asked if we made our teams ourself. I just didn't want to have someone else to profit from. but u are promoting it you wrote it in the thread why do you post something if u are not promoting it do u feel like you have to put something in thread so u just put something you thought of before game in there and then you have a post? actually i thought it would be received by cheers because of my insight in this team-game set up.. This is genuine the best way to play this kind of mafia. ah 6/10
utterly useless post doesn't actually say anything
On November 03 2011 09:22 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
We will defiantly have to rely on FOSing a lot more early on in the day, rather than pressure voting like a lot of us normaly do.
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting! for the second part yes and yes. LOL Red saying yes to both. Remember PYP:I, red? Where consistently a bunch of us kept saying you were scummy as hell, but ON was reasonable? It seems rather funny that you would be willing to only use one half of the two player unit as a basis for finding scum. Had we done that in PYP:I town would've had ample reason to shoot you in the face night 1. In answer to GreyMist's question, IMO we should consider the behavior of both players, particularly in cases where one player is known to be hard to read. If that person is paired with a relatively easy read, (damn I wish Mig was in this game hahaha) then I think we should lean more toward the person who is easier to read, for obvious reasons. The two player unit is very good for town. It provides us more information than we would normally have, as there is more behavior and there are more posts to analyze. Or at least, I hope this is how it turns out. If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp. Except I'm telling you straight up it's more complicated than that, and you should understand it simply because you and ON were that two headed monstrosity of confusion last game. All game long I remember talking to people (including Mig, Foolish, Kav) who kept saying, damn Jacuzzisplatt is scummy as hell. It was primarily because of you. I saw what they were seeing, but I didn't believe you two were scum because ON posted very reasonably and I talked to him for quite a bit on IRC. You, on the other hand, couldn't have been scummier. I think basing our reads on both players is necessary, but with the caveat that if we have conflicting reads on the two halves we need to take the one that's easier to read into account. Ex. if an incredibly easy-to-read player A looks scummy while his partner B (who is much harder to read) looks town then we should give more weight to the scum half. yes obviously
lets just show agreement, that is a CONTRIBUTION
On November 03 2011 09:32 redFF wrote:
please use punctuation!
Clearly only a townie would demand periods!
On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote:
the only combination of 2 good players is
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo
and ME AND KITA OF COURSE
This is relevant, how, exactly? It says nothing about anyone's alignment.
On November 03 2011 10:00 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:50 Erandorr wrote:On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote:
the only combination of 2 good players is
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo
and ME AND KITA OF COURSE
lol where is the lol coming from, do you agree with my assessment?
yelling at a player who isn't even in the game
On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK
Player brings up a legitimate concern about the spirit of the rules, THROW JOKING FOS at him. Incredibly useful, especially when you accusation is backed up with evidence and you can later say this post was "just a joke"
On November 03 2011 22:13 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:@Kita On November 03 2011 08:18 prplhz wrote:
i think redff only says good things Yay! Relevance! Not he's right about this though
Helpful how?
On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote:
jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi.
everyone yells at kurumi for a terrible plan, let me bandwagon that. Have I made any serious accusations yet? NOPE
On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:
an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol
see above
On November 04 2011 10:07 redFF wrote:
meh you usually say that at l-1 grok!
Incredibly useful insight, thanks! I now know all your thoughts
On November 04 2011 10:08 redFF wrote:
gmarshal is still mafia!
unsupported accusation once again, words without thought are worthless.
On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo
OMGUS vote with poor justification again.
Happy redff?, I did as you asked. Now I wonder *where* I got the idea you were being unhelpful after seeing these gems.
Now who would you like to lynch today?
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On November 05 2011 02:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote:
You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate Not a moment of questioning it? You're willing to buy the claim? For all you know, we could just be hoping that there isn't a PC. Or we could be trying to draw out the true parity cop.
I said until i reevaluate, I may still conclude you are scum. Notice my vote hasn't moved.
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so im scum gm?
everyone unvote us now please...
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On November 05 2011 02:02 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote:On November 05 2011 01:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 05 2011 01:53 redFF wrote:
except im posting content in this game. and i'm partnered with someone else. ... content like? The first actual contribution you make is after my accusation. Anyone can verify this with the filter button... Or are you refering to this OMGUS On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo or perhaps to On November 04 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:
an idiotic sandroba plan! ofcourse!
we are lynching today lol maybe On November 04 2011 03:10 redFF wrote:
jesus christ lol we're lynching today.
i fear for you when RoL sees that post kurumi. or On November 03 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town. That doesn´t make sense. This tactic only help scum, Town don´t risk looking scummy from just knowing their role, so only scum would do this. Why are you thinking so much about a pro-scum tactic? This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. and then you accidentally lead the bandwagon on your godfather.... all these *wonderful* contributions, which say NOTHING about anyone around you. Stop clutching at straws. so the first one is a vote and an fos, the second and third ones are commenting on a plan brought forth, the fourth one points out a flaw in a plan put forward. nice try though. You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate, however I could easily go through a point how each and every one of your posts says pretty much nothing , so don't push it. Chaoser, you said you had a case on prplhz, is that forthcoming? actually im pushing it
that huge wall where I went post by post was because you said you wanted to push it, there you go. Your wish is my command and all that.
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kitaman27
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lol now you're just being silly -_-
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Yo guys, homework day today. I actually have class from an hour before deadline until deadline, so I won't be here at that time. (weekend free though) I'll try to drop in as I can inbetween problem sets until then.
First of all, I'm okay with lynching these two teams today:
Team Edward
Team red21
I liked GM's analysis of red and kita. I was suspicious of them myself, and I was planning on stating something about them now, but GM ninjaed me while I was sleeping. I haven't yet talked to Radfield, and I think he's going to be away for a bit, so I'm not sure what he thinks yet.
Now, we have a PC claim and an interesting situation here. I don't like claims. However, I'll hold off for a bit until I can get some basic information from kita and red on this.
Yo team red21, who would you check tonight and tomorrow night?
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On November 05 2011 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo team red21, who would you check tonight and tomorrow night?
lol? None of your business.
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On November 05 2011 02:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo team red21, who would you check tonight and tomorrow night? lol? None of your business.
You just publicly claimed PC.
There is no framer. There is no scum roleblocker.
The fact that you don't want to publicize this information makes you way more suspicious.
Did you breadcrumb your night 1 check? + Show Spoiler +(from the looks of it, no)
Does your claim make sense from both town and mafia perspectives? + Show Spoiler +
Are you refusing to provide townies with valuable information? + Show Spoiler +
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we claimed because if we didn't claim now we would have had to wait until l-1, and then we would have had a nolynch, because there wouldnt have been enough time to lynch anyone else. this gives town enough time to actually lynch someone.
i can't believe anyone is actually thinking about still lynching us after the claim lol.
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okay i thought about the possibility that they're scum.
they would have planned this very likely right from the beginning as a last hope plan.
there would be a 33% chance that there is a real pc. seems to be an okay plan.
the only piece that doesnt fit in the puzzle really is the timing.
its too early for scum to claim. obviously they could have drawn this out until one hour before the lynch.
therefor i tend to believe them.
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wbg what good would breadcrumbing our night 1 check do?
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kitaman27
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Are you playing the same game as us bugs? This is day 1....how exactly are we going to breadcrumb our night 1 check?
Revealing our checks gives the mafia an indication of who to shoot. How is it relavent to town who we will check?That's not happening.
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WBG, he claimed PC, that means there's a 50% 50% chance he's taking with counterclaims. It'd be very easy to check his claim as the game goes on, why would you be ok with voting for someone that just claimed PC?
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for now ##Unvote
I am now going to go attend boring meetings, I expect to see the case on prpl when I get back
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 20:59 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:06 supersoft wrote:On November 03 2011 19:11 prplhz wrote:
About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want
additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more
material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm. to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear. It´s not abusing mechanics, it´s using what you have in order to win. The biggest advantage of an IRL-mafia is gone, we can´t see the other players, but it´s not like reading faces is "abusing the mechanics" in an IRL-game, it´s just part of the game, like going back and checking posts is in a forum game. Chaoser is absolutely correct in that forgeable logs can loose Town the game, I just don´t agree with reflexively throwing away tools that might have helped us. This still doesn´t excuse how Chaoser and hyshes has acted in other respects, Chaoser taking a backseat while his partner suggest Anti-Town plans. I thought Chaoser would have stepped in if he thought hyshes was making a fool of himself, instead he waited until he was called out. Chaoser was actively lurking while his team was being accused, that doesn´t make sense, unless he was weathering the storm, hoping that hyshes would be excused because of him being new. One player is acting scummy, and the other just happens to be acting scummy, makes me suspect they are a scumteam. ##Vote TEAM EDWARD
+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2011 07:52 prplhz wrote:
Well I'm sold, I hope Forumite feels the same way 'cause:
##Unvote
##Vote Team SS
+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2011 11:57 Forumite wrote:I´ve got my eyes on Team Nipple, both of them. Let me show you some relevant posts:+ Show Spoiler +It´s actually the only relevant posts
since the game started, and there´s 2 of them...On November 04 2011 02:31 Kurumi wrote:Kurufesto It's good to be back, guys. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 07:45 GMarshal wrote:Cool, a game of mafia [center] ![[image loading]](http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/186616/face-the-reaper-skull-31000.jpg) [/cent er] It's traditional at this point to post a picture of the reaper So, Iets do this thing. First thing first As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts. So post, transparency and information means we have a greater chance of success. Second thing (this should *not* be a point of discussion, as what I am about to talk about is too general for us to really talk about, I just wanted to make sure it was said). Because there are no vigilantes, if we have a jailkeeper he should be using his protect/roleblock offensively, that is "protecting" scum in an attempt to roleblock the kill, rather than going after the most outspoken townies and possibly roleblocking a power role. This style should encourage activity (scum no longer want to risk being lurkers if it might make their kill fail) and with the possibility of a medic in play scum still cannot afford to shoot the top players. Other than that there isn't that much to say on the setup until we get later in the day and can talk about dt lists and such. My lurker policy remains the same as always, and yeah, that's about it. I am against lynching lurkers. First, the setup is really small, so we should delay the game and make it as long as we could. Scum, unless terrible or really overloaded with RL stuff (they shouldn't join game then, but hey it happens) won't lurk. Remember, scum are those MIDDLE guys, not so active or inactive to draw attention. "But it sounds so cool Kurumi... go get them Yourself, let me derp my way to LYLO" Yeah I know Towns on TL are quite damn lazy and with all the info coming out at the beginning of the game, quoting guides by either side and stuff like that and forget all of it after D1 lynch but.. I am not going to forget, I wish to play my best this game. "But Kurumi, Mafia has a Role Cop!" With 1 blue, they will have hard time finding Team with it. With 2 blues, we will get enough protection/information to retaliate strong enough. Remember, the more time Parity Cop gets, the stronger we are, because he can slowly confirm people. I think we shouldn't worry about Mafia Role Cop too much. Lurker lynch is a bad idea. We either no-lynch or lynch the scummiest fuckers out there. With a mislynch, Mafia ALREADY got their KP per cycle! If we don't get a good protect/block or we just don't have roles for it, 2 people are dead by Day 2. Meanwhile, Mafia Role Cop has checked one of the roles. That means, 3 out of 7 people roles are known to Mafia, another lynch and it's 4 out of 5, if the (only one) blue survived to this time, he will be killed during the night, no matter the lynch result. Summary:
Lurker lynch is a terrible idea, Mafia rarely lurk without any special plan.
No lynch does not put us behind: Our blue will survive longer this way.
Lynch = scummiest person, remember!
Try to keep Your post readable... I am trying, so You should too. On November 04 2011 02:49 Kurumi wrote:
Lurker lynching is often an excuse not to lynch someone, just add "I dunno, he doesn't seem so
scummy to me" and voila, You've got Your lurker lynch. Giving You no information about people who
voted on the lurker (and we probably won't have this problem) and giving You a green flip. Day 1
lurker lynch is.. worse than a no-lynch, because we will hit town on 99% of
basis. Kurumi makes two policy posts, both saying that lynching lurkers is a
bad idea, then proceed to lurk again. I don´t know if this is some crazy plan by a scumteam to
confuse Town, or if they´ve just given up on the game, but whatever it is they need to snap out
of it and post. If we are looking for anti-Town behavior, then here it is, and they deserve to be
lynched for it.
First TEAM VIKING is trying to get all kinds of votes going on different teams. And then, out of
the blue, without metioning team red21 before, they directly go along with GM's post.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and
prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to
put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the
deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.
##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21
Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!
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##Unvote: Team red21
If red21 is faking and there is a real parity cop, you HAVE to counterclaim now. It is worth it as there is a 66% chance you can be saved tonight and therefore mafia can't afford to target you.
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wohaa that last line should be in the spoiler
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On November 05 2011 02:19 redFF wrote:
we claimed because if we didn't claim now we would have had to wait until l-1, and then we would have had a nolynch, because there wouldnt have been enough time to lynch anyone else. this gives town enough time to actually lynch someone.
i can't believe anyone is actually thinking about still lynching us after the claim lol.
I've mostly ignored all your posts up till this point (short of reading them and laughing at them, mostly)
However, claiming doesn't automatically make you town. The fact that you even imply this screams agenda to me. There's a 50% chance of there being no PC. Even if there is a PC and you aren't the real one, the real PC wouldn't counterclaim because that would out him to mafia!
Your claim does nothing to establish you as town and anyone who naively decides you are more town because of it is probably not thinking very clearly.
Just as context, kita claimed tracker in LoTR to save himself and wasn't able to provide sufficient information about his checks. He claimed he had tracked chaoser but wasn't able to provide who else he had tracked.
If you have no potential checks at this point in time, and seeing as it only benefits town by publicizing them, you're probably scum who is gambling by fakeclaiming.
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kitaman27
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Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case?
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