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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:05 GMT
#421
in fact after filtering you i notice you haven't said a thing about team SS, the team leading in votes, all game. SCUMPARTNERS MUCH?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:05 GMT
#422
On November 05 2011 01:04 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:03 redFF wrote:
ah, so i can't defend myself

Not really well not from not having contributed at all.

What you *can* do is offer an alternate lynch, with good supporting arguments!

That would go a long way towards remedying the whole "hasn't done anything all game long" argument.

GOOD JOB I AM THEN
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 04 2011 16:08 GMT
#423
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.

##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21


Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!
:3
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 04 2011 16:09 GMT
#424
On November 05 2011 01:04 redFF wrote:
gm you ignored my examples aswell as what i said about team ss

Because it only came up now, when I have you on the chopping block. Too little too late. Why didn't you share these earlier? The fact that I had to call you scum in a massive post and get two votes on you before you gave anything says you don't really care about the town, only about your own neck.

As far a PYP:I goes, your shared smurf has some decent posts, so I can also truthfully say you contributed there. What you can't do is say "obviously all the bad posts were mine" because that is unverifiable, its impossible to know which posts were yours and which ON's. At worst it has to be ignored, at best it supports my arguments.

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 04 2011 16:10 GMT
#425
On November 05 2011 01:05 redFF wrote:
in fact after filtering you i notice you haven't said a thing about team SS, the team leading in votes, all game. SCUMPARTNERS MUCH?

I said "I don't think sandroba is scum" several times. Learn to read.

Lovely reaction to being accused though. He accuses me "HE MUST BE SCUM".

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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#426
On November 05 2011 01:09 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:04 redFF wrote:
gm you ignored my examples aswell as what i said about team ss

Because it only came up now, when I have you on the chopping block. Too little too late. Why didn't you share these earlier? The fact that I had to call you scum in a massive post and get two votes on you before you gave anything says you don't really care about the town, only about your own neck.

As far a PYP:I goes, your shared smurf has some decent posts, so I can also truthfully say you contributed there. What you can't do is say "obviously all the bad posts were mine" because that is unverifiable, its impossible to know which posts were yours and which ON's. At worst it has to be ignored, at best it supports my arguments.


holy crap you're now lying scum. and you ignored ptp
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#427
On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.

##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21


Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!

you're fucking retarded.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:15 GMT
#428
it takes 5 to lynch, we have 3 votes.

also i love how as soon as gm posts a long wall of text the newbies come out in full force and vote us without even reading it lol.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 16:16 GMT
#429
On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:
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On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote:
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.

there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to)
Show nested quote +

So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?

Show nested quote +

RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.


i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town.

also PTP2

both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town.

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING
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On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21

GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS


Hint, I already said I was going to vote you last night once I got sandro's approval. Read the thread.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#430
On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
Wow kita, you completely fail to address the majority of my points, while focusing on the nitpicking, great job!


Nope, only the points that seemed relavent. If there is anything you want me to respond to, go ahead. Watch your tone mister.

On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
Yet you didn't offer another outlet for discussion, which is what I take issue with. Town kita would have given something else to work with, if just an accusation or a push against a player, you just said "lol, no" and left it at that, "lol, no, but...." is pro-town, "lol no." is anti-town. Don't muddle the issue.


At that point I'm at work skimming the thread for 60 seconds between loading screens.

My opening post already provided discussion topics:
-Majority lynch, don't hammer.
-No lynch isn't helpful
-Offensive jailkeeper
-Random vote

You mimic'd my points with your L-2 discussion and no-lynch discussion. You accuse me as taking a "safe" stand only after 2 others have already commented on the issue, yet I'm the one who brought it up in the first place.

On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
No, you made a veiled accusation calling me scum and didn't push on it. You weren't saying "gm, be nice" or anything like that, you were implying that I was scum. Without going out and saying it. That's also not town behavior, if you thought my meta indicated I wouldn't do that as town, you should have elaborated, if you wanted me to back off, you should have said it. Instead you go with a veiled accusation. That's called seeding suspicion.


My vote was on you, I was questioning your posts, I was questioning why you are attacking peoples ideas as if you were Ace and I'm asking others their opinion about you. What makes you so sure that I'm not thinking you're scum?

On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
As I said, scum love setup discussion. Its interesting that this is the only place you show a strong opinion


Sounds familiar. With the exception of the recent case against myself, your main focus has been discussing the no-lynch as well. You call me out for yelling at lurkers, yet you yourself say:

"As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts."

On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets, instead you pick your top three scum candidates and push them. even if behind the scenes you are town hunting. You know this, you've played enough games.


Huh? Do I really have to go back through all your games and point out all the times you've pointed someone out as town? You state your opinion as if its a fact. If I want to steer the lynch away from certain players, I'm going to say I think they are town.

On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote:
You are scum. Sure as day.


Quite confident based on less than 48 hours of information. Like I said, I'll reread the thread to look for a case for an alternate candidate. I'm openly sharing my opinions. Apparently that's scummy?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 04 2011 16:19 GMT
#431
On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote:
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.

there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to)
Show nested quote +

So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?

Show nested quote +

RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.


i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town.

also PTP2

both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town.

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now.


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21

GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS


EBWOP: In fact you're the one who's trying to save your scummy ass by trying to get the shitty bandwagon back onto me.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#432
not really since there was 2 votes on me at the time...
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#433
On November 05 2011 01:10 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:05 redFF wrote:
in fact after filtering you i notice you haven't said a thing about team SS, the team leading in votes, all game. SCUMPARTNERS MUCH?

I said "I don't think sandroba is scum" several times. Learn to read.


Hey look, are you calling sandroba town? Didn't you just attack me saying that a town would never share a town read? And that I "should know better"?

On November 05 2011 01:14 redFF wrote:
you're fucking retarded.


By which he means, you're voting for vote for awful reasons.

I haven't discussed anything with red yet, but ignore the SS vote for now.

If sandroba gave the "ok" on the case, I'd like to hear his opinion as well.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 04 2011 16:28 GMT
#434
Ok dokie lokie, I'm done arguing with you two. The case has been established, you've defended yourselves, and anything more we have to say to each other is going to be "NO YOU"

I want to hear what other people think of the case, especially supersoft, who I have my eye on and radfeild who usually shows solid judgement.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#435
You're suspicious of prp's team, supersoft and myself? The three people I'm willing to trust. Either your reads are really off or you're intentially trying to break up any measure of trust that has been established on day one.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 04 2011 16:32 GMT
#436
On November 05 2011 01:14 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.

##Unvote
##Vote Team Red21


Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!

you're fucking retarded.

It´s not me who you need to talk to, it´s the owners of the other 4 votes needed to lynch you. I´ve read the case, read the first replies and dropped the vote, there´s nothing more to it, because I can´t change the vote when i´m offline, even if I wanted to. If you have something to say, say it to those online, they are the ones you need to convince of your innocence. You have a few hours left to do so, good luck.
:3
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 04 2011 16:36 GMT
#437
On November 05 2011 01:31 kitaman27 wrote:
You're suspicious of prp's team, supersoft and myself? The three people I'm willing to trust. Either your reads are really off or you're intentially trying to break up any measure of trust that has been established on day one.


Kita, who is your lynch alternative for today? you have posted a list of people you think might be scum. Who among those is the scummiest in your eyes, and why?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2011 16:37 GMT
#438
There is no chance for you/prp to be around a computer sometime before the lynch? With 3 votes on ourselves, its going to be difficult to pull off the five votes needed, especially if we don't feel we want to push a case on on of the three voting for us.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2011 16:38 GMT
#439
On November 05 2011 01:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:31 kitaman27 wrote:
You're suspicious of prp's team, supersoft and myself? The three people I'm willing to trust. Either your reads are really off or you're intentially trying to break up any measure of trust that has been established on day one.


Kita, who is your lynch alternative for today? you have posted a list of people you think might be scum. Who among those is the scummiest in your eyes, and why?


Discussing it with red at the moment.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 04 2011 16:46 GMT
#440
On November 05 2011 01:14 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 01:09 GMarshal wrote:
On November 05 2011 01:04 redFF wrote:
gm you ignored my examples aswell as what i said about team ss

Because it only came up now, when I have you on the chopping block. Too little too late. Why didn't you share these earlier? The fact that I had to call you scum in a massive post and get two votes on you before you gave anything says you don't really care about the town, only about your own neck.

As far a PYP:I goes, your shared smurf has some decent posts, so I can also truthfully say you contributed there. What you can't do is say "obviously all the bad posts were mine" because that is unverifiable, its impossible to know which posts were yours and which ON's. At worst it has to be ignored, at best it supports my arguments.


holy crap you're now lying scum. and you ignored ptp

...
Ok, last post I'm replying to before leaving this to the tender mercies of everyone else:

Are you seriously saying posts like


On May 31 2011 06:01 redFF wrote:
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On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote:
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.

I generally don't like policy lynches, because there are always special circumstances. LAL fine though, you don't need to state it at the beginning of the thread.


On May 31 2011 06:50 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I am assuming that the zodiac list is something akin to this idea (since I can't find anything else that is close to the zodiac list).

Zodiac list

A confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not.

Oh if i was mafia who would I hit? Bumatlarge and GM have both shown strong play in games i have observed/played in. BC has a reputation as a good player too. As for this game i'm getting town vibes off both bum and BC, not so much off GM(This isn't me calling him scum). If i was going to say now who i wanted protected i would say Bum and BC.

On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote:
I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me.
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:07 bumatlarge wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote:
BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys.


I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list

Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all?

He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff.
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On May 31 2011 05:56 Varpulis wrote:
mafia has plenty of KP. You can be sure of that. There's no way every single scum got a non-kp role. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some 3rd party roles though.

This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary.
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On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:
On May 31 2011 04:58 Varpulis wrote:
role and alignment recieved. Decon still hasn't told me where the quicktopic is though...

Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment!

#1 scumspect Varp!

I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess.


(All from PTP)
Were not contributions? Because they certainly look like contributions to me. Face it, no game where you are town are you this deliberately unhelpful. By exclusion, you are not town. Now quickly produce a case, I want to see who you consider scum enough to lynch today. Who knows, maybe it will be enough to save you!
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