Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy - Page 21

On November 05 2011 00:15 supersoft wrote:
hmm these 1 big fat accusationpost out of the nowhere always seem strange to me. I prefer the dialogues over these walls of text. That's why i struggeled to vote Team SS, although iGroks points points seemed reasonable to me, i was a little bit suspicious because of the sudden appearance of this wall of text.
Same thing with GM...

What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today.

On November 05 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
This isn't a coaching game chaoser.

On November 02 2011 02:05 Palmar wrote:
Combination, I'll probably RNG it, but maybe break up these two types of teams.

a) 2 very strong vets together (like 2 best players in the game in a team).

This opens up a very nasty "you should be dead so you're scum" can of worms, I don't want people trying to use that kind of arguments. If you're town you get either shot by mafia or no one trusts you because you didn't get shot, or if you're scum you'll get hanged eventually just because you're not dead, especially if a doc flips.

b) 2 very new players together

Mostly because the best way to integrate people into our community is to have them interact with older members!

But take note:

I won't balance the setup, only the teams. What teams end up as what role will be completely left to RNG.

On November 05 2011 00:30 kitaman27 wrote:
First off, remove the pictures, flavor fluff, and irrelevent references to old games and that post would be much easier to read.



On the contrary I'm trying to prevent "contributing without contributing". People were discussing an irrelevant plan that was impossible to carry out at this point in the game and I didn't like where discussion was headed. I'm not trying to label that as a "contribution". If you really want to look at a "contributing without contributing" post, just look at your reaper post that you started the game off with.

Yet you didn't offer another outlet for discussion, which is what I take issue with. Town kita would have given something else to work with, if just an accusation or a push against a player, you just said "lol, no" and left it at that, "lol, no, but...." is pro-town, "lol no." is anti-town. Don't muddle the issue.



You were mocking kurumi and calling his ideas retarded and idiotic. I didn't like that. Don't try to warp this as a scum agenda.
No, you made a veiled accusation calling me scum and didn't push on it. You weren't saying "gm, be nice" or anything like that, you were implying that I was scum. Without going out and saying it. That's also not town behavior, if you thought my meta indicated I wouldn't do that as town, you should have elaborated, if you wanted me to back off, you should have said it. Instead you go with a veiled accusation. That's called seeding suspicion.




Huh? I supported lynch because that was the correct decision. I saw a plan I didn't like and I argued against it. I'm not sure what you mean about only after two other people have decided to support it. I'm posting at the same time you are, not that its relavent. The math was setup discussion. I'm not claiming it as a sign that I'm town, I'm just sharing my opinion.
As I said, scum love setup discussion. Its interesting that this is the only place you show a strong opinion



You're the third person to attempt to twist my post as scummy. We need to consolidate the lynch. I posted which teams I would be unwilling to vote for based upon my town reads. I'm confident that the 2 scum teams are within the 6 teams I listed. That was 24 hours into the game. You know well enough that day one is about searching for town. I'm sharing my opinion and attempting to push the lynch away from those I see in a good light.

You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets, instead you pick your top three scum candidates and push them. even if behind the scenes you are town hunting. You know this, you've played enough games. You were trying to make a filler post, no bones about it.



Here is what I've done so far:
-The very first thing I did was random vote the newbie in an attempt to generate discussion and gauge a reaction.
Nulltell! Why do you even bother to bring this up?
-I respond to you accusation of team viking that they are deliberately derailing town. You respond "look at their filter" and I continue to press you to provide a valid reason, which you ultimately drop.
nulltell/easy contribution! "pushing" is easy giving opinions is hard
-I argue against the "no-lynch plan" because it doesn't benefit town. I argue against the "follow the blue" plan because it doesn't benefit town.
uhuh, already covered this
-I push several players who promise to contribute later on to share their ideas.
how is this a contribution? Promises are easy to make, watch "I promise to buy you a pony!", see easy! Pushing people is *also* easy
-I develop two town reads and share that I'm not willing to lynch them
bad play, not something I think you would do as town. Town reads are rather... easy to gather as scum, no?

I'm at work at the moment, but during lunch I'll take another read of the thread. prp/forumite, what exactly is "good" about GM's case?

On November 05 2011 00:37 supersoft wrote:
@gm, what do you think of the sandro case? i think it's still good, sevs replacement doesnt change anything there. he was irrelevant for me...
i need a few minutes to filter kita and red and look up the old games.

On November 04 2011 23:21 GMarshal wrote:
As scum however, his behavior is the exact opposite, he sticks to generalities (using clues to scumhunt is bad, lurking is bad, etc), he generally posts a lot of useless spam, that makes him seem active, yet never actually adds anything to discussion. He occasionally defends townies and if pushed will indicate a single target as "scum" with shoddy reasoning.

So basically what we are looking for with redFF are not indications that he is scum, but rather a lack of indications that he is town. That is, if he is not active and helpful then he is almost guaranteed to be scum. That said, lets look at his filter. Anything jump out at you? Any great analytically posts? Any attempts at finding mafia?

RedFF is playing an anti-town spammy style that is entirely unlike his contributory, transparent, spammy, town style. This somewhat matches his scum play, and is a clear indication that he is obviously not a townie, since he doesn't care what happens to the town.

On November 04 2011 23:38 deconduo wrote:


redFF posting one liners instead of contributing is scummy. You posting one liners and setup fillers without contributing is scummy. You calling out other people to step while doing nothing yourself is scummy. Even this post is another piece of meaningless drivel. Instead of saying 'I think team x and y are town' you try and fluff out the post to make it seem like more content than a one liner. However its still just a one liner.

Vote: Team Red21

On November 05 2011 00:51 redFF wrote:

there are no clues in this game, i haven't talked about lurking once. i haven't defended anyone and i have had scumreads on you and wbg this game, and also team SS (which ill get to)



i counter you with PYP interesting, i am in a hydra with ON I think its fairly obvious who is posting what. i was town.

also PTP2

both games im town, both games i post spammy one liners. Contrary to your belief GM, you don't need to post page long walls of bullshit to be town.

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING

GM posts long fos, decon sheeps it with no original thought, decon attempts to start shitty bandwagon on a townie to save his scummy ass from being lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS

On November 05 2011 01:03 redFF wrote:
ah, so i can't defend myself