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On November 07 2011 12:36 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
You would have been vote number 5, so as long as we could have gotten one more we would have lynched Drem. I wasn't pushing him too hard, but was certainly willing to lynch him (as evidenced by my vote on him).
What are your thoughts on Zanfada, Bunneh, xsksc, and Sermokala? Any of them you would like to see lynched?
Sermokala/hacklebeast is certainly a null-read, and the push on Toad was a bit iffy in my view. Toad was looking like he was going to get lynched for 2/3 days and was an easy push, however I'm not sure of any of this being indicative of his allegiance, just not enough information at all.
Bunneh certainly has contributed his bit on pushing people, but has never been the one to directly build proof on them, with this I'm thinking he's likely to be town.
xsksc and Zanfada are harder to read, as they have both not had as much of a presence. Zanfada has had pressure on him for his Day 1 activity, but this has since faded off; and he has been contributing more than he has in his last game with me. That is a positive, but being less active than the average is still not good, with just over 1 page of posts.
xsksc has had some pressure on him from you lately for being inactive or having filler posts, and my Day 1 PBP bears this out; however he does seem to hold the strong opinion that whoever flips green in Skrammen/Toad in death will have the other being red. Also we can note that did have that burst of activity castigating hyshes late in Day 2, and starting Day 3 by responding to your prompting to his views of Chocolate (green). He did vote for Drem when he made that same post to put pressure, and only changed to Chocolate because we needed to ensure a proper lynch.
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Doing a bit of re-reading, and yeah, we could have gotten a drem lynch off I am pretty sure...damn :-/
I also wonder if I was wrong in not floating xsksc as an option to switch to, you had him third on your list earlier today, and I think support from the two of us may have been enough, or at the very least might have given us more information in terms of who resists such a push.
Here's my rundown on everyone:
Ciry - I'm just going to go ahead and consider him confirmed townie. If he is somehow scum, he can safely endgame me as the odds of something coming up to get me to vote against him are rather minimal.
Toad - Nearly confirmed townie for me. At the very least he is clearly willing to follow me and Ciry in voting...so if he is scum willing to follow us and bus scum-buddies in the process, then at the very least he isn't very dangerous for now.
Zanfada - Not as solid for me, but definitely leaning town. Has stirred up discussion, was not afraid to step up early with his pressure vote, play is largely consistent with how he played as town last game. Again, seems at least somewhat willing to follow me/Ciry, which means he is less dangerous, even if he is scum.
Bunneh - Very slight town leaning. He has been oddly elusive in terms of receiving pressure from others though. Depending on the night kill, could easily move back out of town-leaning territory.
Drem - Poor Drem. I don't have much to say on him that hasn't already been said. The most townie thing he has going for him is that nobody seems willing to defend him, and everyone seems to be fine with him ending up dead. I'm still split on whether he is scum that they are aware they might have to bus, or town. Upon reviewing his day 3 activities though...I might be willing to switch him with Bunneh in my town to scum lineup. Hmm...
Sermokala - Hasn't been here very long, but still managed to need a spoiler, how about that? + Show Spoiler +Seems scummy to me, but I didn't make any push for him today as I didn't believe there was enough posted by him yet to give us any leads if he flips red, nor enough posts to make a solid case against him. These posts largely sum up my thoughts on him so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=26#518http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=29#577His cases made so far have been questionable to say the least. Also, wtf is this about? Is this actually supposed to be a defense of any kind? They've both scum or we're all dead we don't have a choice at this point before people get paranoid that I'm scum. First off It can't be me no mafia would go inactive He has been dropping down my list pretty fast since he first piped up. Also, mostly unrelated, but a closer rereading made me lol a little at this, said by Sermokala: I'm just more sure of toad at this point. Hes been supporting the lynching of people who arn't popular to lynch which I totally think that hes doing to distance himself from the other scums and/or trying to block lynching on the whole. When considered with this post of Chocolate's: ##Vote toadesstern
sermo's reasoning is very good
he has jumped on every bandwagon and has played a little scummy and weird the entire game
Skrammen - You get a spoiler! + Show Spoiler +His day 1 activities were very sketchy, and his defense questionable at best. Since then he has shaped up a good deal. Here he is talking about Hyshes. If he flips red we should pressure everyone else who did not vote for me hard, as there is likely to be scum among them. Sounds like a pretty townie thing to say, and I don't know if scum would have thought to slip it in there, considering scum knew what Hyshes's flip would be. Very minor town cred for that statement. Overall, his early scumminess with his later slight towniness has pretty much balanced out to a null read for me. Being one of 4 people without at least a slight town leaning from me does not give you great odds of being clean. Hell, even if the 3 scum are amongst the 5 I think are least townie, not very good odds of being clean.
Xsksc - This man also earns himself a spoiler. + Show Spoiler +My short summary from earlier: The short version of my case on him is: has contributed rather little to the discussions, has made a good number of filler type posts to appear. Votes Skrammen after calling out only Toad and Zanfada for suspicion day 1, trying to blend in? Or did he somehow have a change of heart? Loves mentioning time-zone difficulties as often as possible. Basically nobody has accused him, where any one else lurking that I have suspicion of has been called out for lurking by multiple people. It's easier to slip by if 2 other people want you to be able to slip by. Now to add to it. From him: I voted skrammen day 1 because a vote on Zanfada would have been a wasted vote in that situation. If he voted on Zanfada or on Toad, the two people he had called out earlier, he would have made them tied in votes with Skrammen. He is correct in that doing so would probably have increased the odds of a no-lynch, so I'll consider him mostly absolved here, but not entirely. I hadn't double checked the timing of his vote when I posted that. Something I found rather amusing, after I clearly poke him and indicate I have some suspicions of him by posting this: Chocolate and xsksc, I would be interested in hearing your reads on each other, as well as an explanation of the read of course.
The same goes for Skrammen and xsksc. He seems to wake the fuck up, making sure to include a pressure vote and a number of questions for Drem in his post answering them. He also posts this as the reason for his vote: You blocked the skrammen lynch day 1, without even having a good explanation? And then when I vote him, he seems appalled that I don't have a good explanation posted with it. Also, I don't think I've been lurking or posting filler. Every day so far I've kept you up to date with my FoS list, reads etc. Sure I don't spam as much as toad for example, but I'm letting you guys know what I think. He has 3 instances where he has gone in excess of 23 hours without making a post since the game has started. Interestingly, his reads have gone basically unchanged since: November 03 2011 17:40 He has only changed his number 3 scum from: 3) Hyshes or some random inactive like Hackle to: 3) Someone who's fitting in well and hasn't been thought about too much, chocolate or hackle/hackles replacement perhaps. Considering Hyshes was dead at that point, he clearly had to change it...and he changes it to nothing certain at all. I'm not claiming to be 100% on him by any means, as he is largely a null-read for me, but at a time when we are down to 8 excluding myself, I'm at least leaning town on 4, and there are 3 scum left to find...well, I think you know where I'm going with this
Obviously who gets shot at a stage of the game with so few players left could change a lot of things, and posting this increases the risk of scum shooting as high up my townie list as they dare, but I want to work out as much as possible with Ciry during this night in case one of us ends up dead tomorrow. I'm not sure if scum is shooting for the medic, or taking their chances elsewhere, but at this point I think town needs to play with basically everything out in the open to have a shot at this. (Note, medic, this does not mean you should claim during the night, that'd be dumb and would get you shot) We can't risk another mislynch, so we need as much coordination as possible to avoid scum influence.
So, Ciry, thoughts? Anyone else that would like to chime in is obviously welcome to, as I have definitely said at least something about everyone.
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ok those are the results before people switched:
On November 07 2011 10:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 3 Update
Toadesstern
sermokala
IMABUNNEH
Chocolate
Skrammen
Drem903
Drem903
xsksc
Toadesstern
Zanfada
HarbingerOfDoom
Skrammen
Toadesstern
xsksc
HarbingerOfDoom
You have less than 2 hours remaining.
I'm going to say that out if those 5 on me it's probably 3 mafias. Ciry is the only one missing in that list which could be interpreted as a scummy trying to figure out if it's safte to vote for whoever they voted. However given our situation the same could go for a townie as well right now. I'm mentioning it right now so that people ignore it because I don't think we got time left for shenanigans like that.
That leaves us with a list of sermokala, IMABUNNEH, Chocolate, Skrammen, Drem903. Choc turned out to be green so it's 4 people left and imo 3 of them are mafia. We just should have lynched skrammen on day1 guys... or drem on day2... or drem on day3...
Let's look at their voting history:
hackle/sermokala: Day1 on Toad, Day2 on nobody , Day3 on Toad
Bunneh: Day1 on Toad, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc
Skrammen: Day1 on Choc, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc
Drem: Day1 on Zanfa, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc.
I'm leaning towards skrammen, drem, hackle/sermokala with bunneh on a 4th place as he was unsure if we should lynch choc. Skrammen the first guy who switched votes although I can't judge him for trying to safe himself and drem's just as fishy as always. Those are my thoughts right now.
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On November 07 2011 16:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Doing a bit of re-reading, and yeah, we could have gotten a drem lynch off I am pretty sure...damn :-/ I also wonder if I was wrong in not floating xsksc as an option to switch to, you had him third on your list earlier today, and I think support from the two of us may have been enough, or at the very least might have given us more information in terms of who resists such a push. Here's my rundown on everyone: Ciry - I'm just going to go ahead and consider him confirmed townie. If he is somehow scum, he can safely endgame me as the odds of something coming up to get me to vote against him are rather minimal. Toad - Nearly confirmed townie for me. At the very least he is clearly willing to follow me and Ciry in voting...so if he is scum willing to follow us and bus scum-buddies in the process, then at the very least he isn't very dangerous for now. Zanfada - Not as solid for me, but definitely leaning town. Has stirred up discussion, was not afraid to step up early with his pressure vote, play is largely consistent with how he played as town last game. Again, seems at least somewhat willing to follow me/Ciry, which means he is less dangerous, even if he is scum. Bunneh - Very slight town leaning. He has been oddly elusive in terms of receiving pressure from others though. Depending on the night kill, could easily move back out of town-leaning territory. Drem - Poor Drem. I don't have much to say on him that hasn't already been said. The most townie thing he has going for him is that nobody seems willing to defend him, and everyone seems to be fine with him ending up dead. I'm still split on whether he is scum that they are aware they might have to bus, or town. Upon reviewing his day 3 activities though...I might be willing to switch him with Bunneh in my town to scum lineup. Hmm... Sermokala - Hasn't been here very long, but still managed to need a spoiler, how about that? + Show Spoiler +Seems scummy to me, but I didn't make any push for him today as I didn't believe there was enough posted by him yet to give us any leads if he flips red, nor enough posts to make a solid case against him. These posts largely sum up my thoughts on him so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=26#518http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=29#577His cases made so far have been questionable to say the least. Also, wtf is this about? Is this actually supposed to be a defense of any kind? They've both scum or we're all dead we don't have a choice at this point before people get paranoid that I'm scum. First off It can't be me no mafia would go inactive He has been dropping down my list pretty fast since he first piped up. Also, mostly unrelated, but a closer rereading made me lol a little at this, said by Sermokala: I'm just more sure of toad at this point. Hes been supporting the lynching of people who arn't popular to lynch which I totally think that hes doing to distance himself from the other scums and/or trying to block lynching on the whole. When considered with this post of Chocolate's: ##Vote toadesstern
sermo's reasoning is very good
he has jumped on every bandwagon and has played a little scummy and weird the entire game - You get a spoiler! + Show Spoiler +His day 1 activities were very sketchy, and his defense questionable at best. Since then he has shaped up a good deal. Here he is talking about Hyshes. If he flips red we should pressure everyone else who did not vote for me hard, as there is likely to be scum among them. Sounds like a pretty townie thing to say, and I don't know if scum would have thought to slip it in there, considering scum knew what Hyshes's flip would be. Very minor town cred for that statement. Overall, his early scumminess with his later slight towniness has pretty much balanced out to a null read for me. Being one of 4 people without at least a slight town leaning from me does not give you great odds of being clean. Hell, even if the 3 scum are amongst the 5 I think are least townie, not very good odds of being clean. - This man also earns himself a spoiler. + Show Spoiler +My short summary from earlier: The short version of my case on him is: has contributed rather little to the discussions, has made a good number of filler type posts to appear. Votes Skrammen after calling out only Toad and Zanfada for suspicion day 1, trying to blend in? Or did he somehow have a change of heart? Loves mentioning time-zone difficulties as often as possible. Basically nobody has accused him, where any one else lurking that I have suspicion of has been called out for lurking by multiple people. It's easier to slip by if 2 other people want you to be able to slip by. Now to add to it. From him: I voted skrammen day 1 because a vote on Zanfada would have been a wasted vote in that situation. If he voted on Zanfada or on Toad, the two people he had called out earlier, he would have made them tied in votes with Skrammen. He is correct in that doing so would probably have increased the odds of a no-lynch, so I'll consider him mostly absolved here, but not entirely. I hadn't double checked the timing of his vote when I posted that. Something I found rather amusing, after I clearly poke him and indicate I have some suspicions of him by posting this: Chocolate and xsksc, I would be interested in hearing your reads on each other, as well as an explanation of the read of course.
The same goes for Skrammen and xsksc. He seems to wake the fuck up, making sure to include a pressure vote and a number of questions for Drem in his post answering them. He also posts this as the reason for his vote: You blocked the skrammen lynch day 1, without even having a good explanation? And then when I vote him, he seems appalled that I don't have a good explanation posted with it. Also, I don't think I've been lurking or posting filler. Every day so far I've kept you up to date with my FoS list, reads etc. Sure I don't spam as much as toad for example, but I'm letting you guys know what I think. He has 3 instances where he has gone in excess of 23 hours without making a post since the game has started. Interestingly, his reads have gone basically unchanged since: November 03 2011 17:40 He has only changed his number 3 scum from: 3) Hyshes or some random inactive like Hackle to: 3) Someone who's fitting in well and hasn't been thought about too much, chocolate or hackle/hackles replacement perhaps. Considering Hyshes was dead at that point, he clearly had to change it...and he changes it to nothing certain at all. I'm not claiming to be 100% on him by any means, as he is largely a null-read for me, but at a time when we are down to 8 excluding myself, I'm at least leaning town on 4, and there are 3 scum left to find...well, I think you know where I'm going with this Obviously who gets shot at a stage of the game with so few players left could change a lot of things, and posting this increases the risk of scum shooting as high up my townie list as they dare, but I want to work out as much as possible with Ciry during this night in case one of us ends up dead tomorrow. I'm not sure if scum is shooting for the medic, or taking their chances elsewhere, but at this point I think town needs to play with basically everything out in the open to have a shot at this. (Note, medic, this does not mean you should claim during the night, that'd be dumb and would get you shot) We can't risk another mislynch, so we need as much coordination as possible to avoid scum influence. So, Ciry, thoughts? Anyone else that would like to chime in is obviously welcome to, as I have definitely said at least something about everyone.
At this point, the fact that HoD's activity and the constant stream of players of casting suspicion on Toad pretty much help clear them in my eyes as townies; unless HoD has been playing a crazy game of mafia brinksmanship, I'll probably find it impossible to vote for him until an end-game occurs. Toad is nearly clear as well unless there have been scum attempts of deliberately foisting him on town as a "cleared townie"; which IMO have already occurred with the Day 1 shot on risk.
Zanfada I'd probably put a bit lower due to inactivity; but his consistency of town play and willingness to put pressure and get pressured back for it are town markers.
Bunneh has not applied pressure unlike Zanfada, but he's been posting a lot more than him, and IMO is running a risky play if he's scum of jumping around and creating pressure on people.
Drem is probably the epitome of a trapped townie who's gotten his talking ahead of his thinking, or a painfully obvious mafia bus; and it's all because of that post basically telling town to lie down and take it if they get pressured, that was just blatantly anti-town.
hackle/Sermokala is rapidly descending from a null tell to feeling scummy, because he's been too eager to jump on Toad despite him looking less and less scummy up to today.
xsksc and Skrammen have tried the inactivity excuse with time-zones, but Skrammen has been more obstructionist of the two. xsksc looks like he thinks that way simply because all of his targets have lived, and IMO the Toad focus is unwarranted, but since we're still uncertain of Drem, maybe he just feels much more strongly about a Drem kill. On Skrammen however, I could just as well interpret that as "get away from putting any attention on me if he flips one way, but keep an eye on me if he flips the other"; and if he knew Choc would flip green... Sorry just rambling on the possibilities, as it's ambiguous as fuck either way.
What I can say about getting info out in the open is that I feel that Medic and his associated save list ought to hide as much as he can amongst town for as late as possible. It will be important for him to claim as late as he possibly can, because if it ends up being a LYLO, the fewer the scum members needed to lynch and the more people he can confirm through saves, the better it will end up for town, because he can just go out and claim, point to his saves as confirmed townies, and force scum to shoot at them while town lynches the most doubtful people.
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Crap we really screwed this lynch... As I mentioned those 4 above and what they've been voting I just realised choc was voting skrammen on day1... That could have been an easy town tell but we had so little time left 
Right now I really don't care much about what people are suggestion that actually are on those scummy-lists. Right now I'd be willing to vote for hackle/sermo (that is tomorrow) and I'm going to be honest here: There needs to be a wonder to make me lynch someone else. If we lynch someone who actually is townie we're dead. However, every single scumlist I could imagine right now involves him I guess. Everyone else could be a strange set-up like cyri just said. Think about drem and think about skrammen. Those 2 are probably the next two for everyone here which would make a list out of hackle+drem+skrammen but as mentioned: it could be a weird set-up. I am still scared that skrammen might end up flipping green. I'm not as concerned about drem but I'm definatly even less concerned about hackle/sermo.
The moment he flips red I'm willing to discuss what that means for us going through his history, taking a look at what he posted about those other 3 or 4 people who are suspicious right now.
I still think we got a decent chance. Yes it is lylo if our medic isn't able to get a safe but if we manage to get a red tomorrow I think we got a pretty decent idea on who actually is mafia. If hackle/sermo flips red I think we won't have a problem lynching a second mafia at all out of a possible analysis (same would be for every mafia we lynch tomorrow).
So it's all about that one lynch right now.
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Right having taken the time to reread everything, I can say one thing - I think I was wrong on the Skrammen/Toad thing. Not wrong as such, but wrong to remain so stubbornly fixated on Toad from day 1. Having taken a stepback and read everything through again, I'm going to step out and say who I think is what.
Town
Harbinger
Ciry
Toad
This isn't an uncommon feeling at this point I guess, though my decision on Toad might look odd to people, so I'll explain that briefly. Despite receiving varying amounts of pressure on every single day, he hasn't been afraid to continue to stand up and make himself heard. What's convinced me the most though isn't that he's attached himself to the other 2, but that they all 3 sort of slowly came together on opinions over the last couple of days. Now either it's a FANTASTIC mafia ploy and they are the 3 scum, but I find that so unlikely at this point.
Scum
Skrammen
Drem
While re-reading I read enough from Toad to convince me he probably wasn't scum, doing so had the opposite effect on SKrammen. He hasn't made any attempt to redeem himself in order to avoid a lynching. He hasn't tried to pressure others, which sounds like he doesn't NEED information because he already knows it. Drem is scummy to me after a reread. He's inconsistant, and his posts lack the attack of most people, which leads me to believe something similar, he's not interested in hearing a defense.
[purple]Unknown[/purple]
Zanfa
xksxksd
These are 2 I simply can't place. I don't think either has posted enough to get a particularly good read from, and through my guessing above, one of the 2 has to be scum. In my opinion Zanfa has come off as more scummy to me. He's quietly slipping onto the bandwagons, and reading his posts it almost seems like he's trying to avoid creating any kind of waves that might cause people to focus on him. xkskckxk has been more committed when he has tried to apply pressure, and seems to me just like a bit of a newbie who didn't want to go out on a limb early on, as his posts have increased recently, whereas Zanfa's seem to just stagnate.
That's what I think at the moment. Who gets shot tonight is probably going to play the biggest role, as Toad said. That alone might give us the information we need.
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Ok apparently purple isn't a colour, but you get the idea >.<
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Oh I missed hackle/sermothingy. They go in Unknown. I don't have a real read, though I'd lean them towards red rather than green, I'm not sure how far that way the lean is.
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Bunneh, I really like your spelling of xsksc. It changes every time it seems :-P
I'm tempted to just RNG my bottom 4 or 5 and go with some hope based play. Questions/comments/concerns?
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@Toad
Yeah, after the vote switches we got I was increasingly unsure of lynching chocolate, but our only other option at that point was a no-lynch. If we had enough people still on/enough time I would have preferred to try to switch over again, but alas, that's in the past and cannot be undone.
RIP Chocolate :-(
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sounds like frustration
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This Choco bandwagon took me by surprise. It happened fast, so fast that I think all 3 scum had switched to vote for him. Also I believe that scum voted for Hysh the day before because HoD a really good case vs Hysh and the hysh suicide made it hard not to vote for him (at least it was for me).
Mafia has been bitch slapping us around all game since our first day fail lynch. We need to move on. Going along with a lynch because we need info actually hurts us right now. Do not join a lynch unless you think that person is scum, it is way too easy for scum to join a bandwagon and say ‘I don’t agree 100% but we need info.’
So let’s look at everyone who voted for both. This is just about everyone. In fact it is everyone but me and Ciry.
HoD
Toad
Xsksc
Skram
Drem
IMABUNNEH
The 2 major bandwagons at the time were for Toad and Drem. Which means at least 1 of them is mafia for sure. There is no reason for mafia to risk such a large vote movement without saving one of their own. Tomorrow we need to lynch one of those 2 so I am going to be focusing on them for now. If someone sees a flaw in my logic, point it out.
Toad:
Most of people disliked his first post telling blues to act like town and to not stand out. I never saw this as a scum hunting blues post like most others have.
He has been posting a lot, in fact I think more than anyone else. As of right now I haven’t found any scum slips. There have been some filler posts but with so many posts it is somewhat of a null tell.
Toad has constantly been receiving attention which leads me to believe he is either scum or scum believed him as an easy drama sponge to distract us. He had quite a few votes for him before both bandwagons. This is my major source of suspicion on him. It is not what he has done but the way the game has gone for him.
Drem:
He has constantly been making little fuck ups throughout this game. It has brought attention to himself and has cleared him in some instances.
On November 07 2011 07:59 Toadesstern wrote:
At that point in time I was very suspicious of drem and he suddenly said something along the lines "well and that makes is 6 townies vs 4 mafias which makes it even harder to get a majority". I figured a mafia would know how many mafias are in this game. However given what I posted today I think he might be tricking us.
That's why I unvoted instantly.
I think he is more likely scum over toad. The bandwagons that saved toad also save drem. Drem has voted for me, toad (twice but never staying on him), choco (twice finally killing him last night) (known town), and hysh (known town.)
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another thing is when day comes vote early so we can avoid these bandwagons and talk about who we really want to lynch, these last day votes are really hurting us.
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@all
Assuming scum doesn't get their hit blocked tonight, we will need every town vote to get a lynch without scum help.
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GG scum. I logged off when the chocolate train started thining "oh well I guess we won't get a lynch tonight" and then he gets lynched and now the only hope we have is that the scum get hero blocked and the entire town gets on the same page somehow.
I'm going to go though HOD's initial response to me (I didn't get around to doing that sorry)
and then the trainwreck of what happened last night. Its obviously a scum switch I feel that they just won the game.
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Hod's post on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2011 14:30 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@sermokala You still did nothing to address this: Show nested quote +You think they are both scum when Toad was the third vote on Skrammen day 1? When it couldn't be known whether that would get him killed or not? Analysis is important, but make it good. I have some questions regarding yours: Show nested quote +his first moves in this very thread are counter to another instead of just srugging off and trying to elaborate on someone else. What does this sentence even mean? You have nothing listed as exhibit number 3, did you mean to post more? If so, why did you remove it? In exhibit 4, if the voting for Hyshes is an implication of being scum, can you please explain why everyone else voting for him isn't scum as well? Also, does that imply you believe me to be scum for starting the case against Hyshes? Also, from Toad 5 hours before your exhibit 5, in regards to him 'not saying' his reads: Show nested quote +Right now I'd still like to push for hackle the most. Drem and skrammen both are strange but I'm not sure about both right now. Drems mistake the other day is just so simple it got to be a real mistake rather than a scumslip. Also given he doesen't know how many mafias are in this game I'd sag he's not mafia. I still got a feeling skrammen might be green,
I'm off to univerity now and will look this through later on. Also, at the time of your exhibit he is voting for Hyshes, so clearly he thought Hyshes is scum as well. Don't abuse a lack of context with quoting, it is a scummy thing to do. I accept exhibit two and the point about him being a benefactor from Risk's death. Exhibit one I don't understand so I cannot comment on. Also, this won't fly: Expect me to drill you on everything until I have a good read on you. Feel free to help out by posting lots of your reads and explanations for them. A good starting point would be answering my original question regarding Skrammen/Toad. Additionally, I would like your reads on Chocolate and xsksc, along with an explanation of course.
1. Bandwagoning is the most effective strategy of the mafia. If you can get a train started on someone thats not mafia its worth it to organize the whole mafia to support it. His vote I feel really started the train.
2. yeah this point was legit I was trying to do too much with too little text. His first post (of many) was in response to someone else. Not only that he was countering what someone else said and then proceded to go on with his agenda I feel to get the mafia to win. I just think thats an obvious strategy to not make an initial mistake with a lot of him being nervous about starting off wrong and instead just sneaking into the game and rolling with confidence that he will win. the argument with risk I think was him making a mistake and killing him but I think he and the rest of the mafia was willing to take that minor risk to take out a threat.
3. there is no 3 It came off really werid and had some mlp references.
4. Again It was a bandwagon that you started. going with a bandwagon is bad play but supporting it and starting it is I feel a really scummy atribute.
5. I did I admit base this off of old information It was my first post and I was digging though all the pages but it was just 5 hours before I posted.
Your review of everyone was really good.
I think toad has been supporting someone else in a diversion and then being a good swing vote to help out the mafia. It was really funny with chocolate but then again if the guy who supports me is a townie and was killed that helps my case of being a townie? Both of those lines where sarcasm and an attempt at humor both of which I realize now doesn't help in this game which I do enjoy I think. God damm when we find out whos scum and if ones not toad I'm going to be so shocked.
I have no idea where the chocolate lynch came from and I don't have enough stuff on xsksc to go either way. he could be a scum trying to hide the best he can or just a guy whos afraid of saying something wrong and getting instalynched.
Alright now lets talk about what happened yesterday. scum congrats you pretty much win the game. Its almost impossible for them to lose at this point and its been a quick well done game by them. coordination between them has been spot on I feel and I have no idea how they could screw it up when the sides are even.
On November 07 2011 09:32 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@All
Are there enough people on/will be on before the deadline to make a push for a lynch on chocolate instead? I know he was at least on the suspicion list of a number of people. Alternately, enough Toad/Drem people willing to switch to Skrammen to make that happen instead?
So this starts it. I can understand drem trying to get something started that gets away from him but after his post theres a complete lockout of any question about toad being lynched dispite him being the most voted at this point. The evidence on chocolate is complety null compared to a bunch of other people and that clearly points to the scum knowing hes a town. Genius move by scum to get him killed and I think this was the last gamble for hod and toad to win the game and everyone who was on still fell for it and now they're an inch away from winning. The fact that hod didn't pick up on this with his posts in this thread further solidify him being scum for me.
On November 07 2011 09:04 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Sorry I've been rather busy the last ~40 hours or so and my approach to this lynch have been more half-assed than I would like, sometimes real life happens, even to us nerds.
if you really do turn out to be scum hod this wins the thread. you where the first to start the bandwagon I think and then the last to vote in it. Gosuest move yet.
I can't really nail down who else could be scum for this vote. I didn't think hod was so sure to be scum before this at least on the level of toad but now hes a lock in my book along with toad.
remember scum knows whos scum as well. as so they know who isn't scum. I know this post doesn't live up to the hype that I gave it but thats just it.
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So would that make your scum list: Me, Toad, Ciryandor?
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On November 08 2011 09:43 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Sermokala
So would that make your scum list: Me, Toad, Ciryandor?
where the hell did you get ciryandor?
Idk whos the 3rd right now. either or my fos is on drem, bunneh or skrammen. xsksc as a dark horse.
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