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Toadesstern
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I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd ve loved to see those reactions from people about that who are already suspicios. first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p | ||
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On November 01 2011 00:53 Toadesstern wrote: sadly noone made a statement about my vote ;( I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd have loved to see reactions from people who I think are suspicious about my vote :/ first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p that first sentence just made no sense, fixed it and hopefully it's clear what my intention was. | ||
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On November 01 2011 01:26 IMABUNNEH wrote: Originally I had the idea that Zanfa sounds scummy. I still think that. HOWEVER I don't like Toad's most recent posting. He said in the original vote for Chocolate that he didn't like the way he was throwing FOS around, and is now backing off for a pretty weak reason. What did you expect to get out of that Toad? Someone bandwagoning or someone trying to defend him or what? That kind of tomfoolery reeks of someone trying to be "too obvious" to me. I've got a couple of hours to make my vote still, but for now, FOS on Toad. basicly my point is, that I don't like it, but given the fact that this is a beginners game for now I went with his explanation. However Voting for choc (for me) was easy after that, so I wanted to get a vote on him to observe peoples behavior. You know, someone changing his mind out of the blue just to get a vote on someone. That would have been pretty scummy and I know my last 2 or 3 posts sounded strange, that's why I did them :p I don't mind looking a bit weird from time to time if that's getting us a couple results. Mafia can't really kill me right now, because if they do and I flip green town gets massive amounts of information from previous posts since I was a topic the last pages. Same with zanfas, that is if he turns out to be green. I still don't like what risk is doing here: nothing. If he's not going to make a vote and is going to get modkilled that's fine with me (not really but I can't do a thing about it), however if he showes up sometimes soon and does NOT get modkilled I want a pretty damn good explanation for what he's doing. Scrammen seems to be a bit strange while I did not think about Drem until now, will take another read. | ||
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##vote Skrammen Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch. Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched. | ||
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A vote on yourself would be stupid and a vote on someone you're holding the only vote on is not going to get us anywhere, too. So voting for hacklebeast is not going to get us anywhere right now. Also I would like to see those others guys stick to that rule. We need to lynch someone. Right now it's either zanfas, skrammen or me. A vote on someone else is a pretty heavy scumtell, so go ahead. Also keep in mind there's probably at least 1 mafia around, or even two who already placed his/their vote/s to try and make people follow him. Especially if one of those 3 turns out to be mafia. | ||
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On November 01 2011 03:37 IMABUNNEH wrote: I think this sounds like you're already getting reasoning behind not being killed. You jump around a lot and most of your posts seem like you're going out of your way to let people know you're totally town. Other people look suspicious, but to me this looks like a balls out attempt to control the game yourself among newer players. For that reason... ##Vote Toadesstern well obviously because I am town ![[image loading]](http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) No let's get this serious. At least one group of voters will have to change their mind. Right now we got 3 an skrammen, only 4 voters left + zanfa who's going to change his vote. So If everyone but one votes for skrammen we're able to get a lynch. That's not going to happen. Maybe one of those lurkers is going to get modkilled and won't show up at all. Skrammen himself is within those 5 left over voters, he won't vote for himself now will he? What happens if he is red and one of those voters left over is red, too? He surely won't vote for him and will have an easy time voting for zanfa or me. Same goes for zanfa votes and those on me. We will need to voters from one of those 3 to one of those 2 remaining to make this happen. And about jumping around, well yeah it's day 1. I want to get as much "strange" posts from people as possible. So far we got a bunch and no matter who dies today, we'll have pretty good information about mafia. Let's assume I'm red and I'm getting lynched. In that case you probably want to go after those who did not vote for me or did defend me. However if I get lynched and flip green or blue you got a pretty descend guess on who is mafia, because it's most likely 3 out of those 7 who need to vote for me. Same goes for everyone. If we get a no-lynch we're not getting information at all because noone will know for certain if whatever stories are true or not and we're just turning around. | ||
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On November 01 2011 04:30 risk.nuke wrote: Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff. I know it can be done to get by for a while ignoring minor suspicions because "oh look, they dropped me" or "it doesn't seem important". However for everything you do respond to it gives town more information. There are a few more hours left so if you can ditch in a few last efforts. Toad, your play is inconsistant and all over the place. I can't tell if you're scum or just new. It's as if you're going for a town powerposition but you don't really know how to achieve it. I really don't like you're jumping on skrammen rather then defending yourself. ##Vote Toadesstern me jumping on skrammen? I want to get a lynch, that's it and yeah skrammen sounds like a legit vote. I would have liked to get you lynched first but I'm ok with it the way it is, too^. Secondly I think I defended myself. I got a bunch fos from guys earlier and those backed off. You could just be a mafia thinking it's easy to get town to lynch toad because you're not voting for skrammen. | ||
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I asked you like 3 times to give an explanation for your aabstinence and you answer that with a text saying "guys, we need to anwser everything, no matter how small or insignificant (to you) the question might be" and yet you haven't come out and did what I wanted you to do: Explain why you are not posting and tell us about your thoughts. I'm not having a problem with your vote here, but go ahead and explain it. You just said it' weird, while leaving out what I asked you to do 3 times. You're telling me that you don't like me to "jump" on skrammen without defending myself. Just go ahead and do the first step and I will gladly answer everything you want to know about me, my thoughts or my posts. | ||
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And you're misinterpreting what I said. My point was: I think he might be scum, like 33-45%, while you're my number #1 right now, especialy given that last post :p The most important part right here: You think Skrammen is the easy wagon? I thought the easy wagon is either zanfa or me for mafia since there used to be always a couple of votes on both of us. Something like 1 or 2. Skrammen only started once ciry voted for him. Again, I would love to get you lynched first but he's looking scummy too and I for sure don't want a no-lynch as that's just the same as lynching a townie while leaving everything in the dark because we got no information out of votings or posts. | ||
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On November 01 2011 07:49 risk.nuke wrote: Toad. My point is you say you think he is scum 33-45 percent while at the same time avoiding providing any arguments as to why. Even in your response you fail to do so but instead tried to defuse it into a scenario where we are just OMGUS-ing eachother. You're making it sound as if I were your suspect all along but it's actually only since I voted for you. If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of. Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp. and my point is that I'm obviously not going to vote for myself. And I still don't think what we got on zanfa is something worth a lot. If that summary of votes is correct we still need one more vote to get a lynch at all. That is if skrammen is red and no mafia voted for him and therefore can't change his vote. | ||
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Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. | ||
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I don't know how you guys approach this game but I figured people know that we need to lynch people to get something going. I got to add that I probably forgot one solution. Maybe people didn't read the first post in this thread carefully and did not read my post about it pointing it out again: This game has no simple majority rule. Having 6 votes on Skrammen was not enough to get him lynched although he was the one with the most votes on the list. If there's a couple of people who did not know that for whatever reason, it would be another explanation for why we're not even able to lynch a townie (talking about scenario 2 and 3) because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. | ||
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because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. was meant to be: "because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get him lynched and no need to change votes." Also, when I was talking about 6 guys possibly spreading votes I was referring to townies only. 6 guys = 6 townie + 3 mafias spreading votes. | ||
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On November 02 2011 03:24 Zanfada wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. 3) This is what the votes are kind of showing, 3 townies for both of you and then 3 mafia for skram to save you. I voted for skram to save myself, he hasn't done any analysis other then superficial placing FOS on my for post crap which is just as much as he has done. You're missing two major points here: First of all, it would not be 3 votes on skramm and me but 3 votes on skramm, 3 votes on me and 3 more votes spreaded (that's 2 on you and 1 on choc if you assume that 3 mafias are on skramm). Secondly the skramm wagon happened way earlier that things got "serious" about my votes. He got 3 votes on him while I had 1 and we both got to 5-3 pretty fast. Still, even in that situations there's no need for my hypothetical mafia buddies to come and safe me when he got 5 votes which turned out to be 6 later on. You need 7 votes and if 3 out those 6 votes on skramm are scum, than there's pretty much no way a lynch on my could have happend. It would be 6 on skramm and 6 on me, given that every single voter who voted for you (or choc) switched to me and on top of that it would have needed more people switching to me from skramm than people who're switching to skramm from me (at least one more). If I were mafia I would have told my buddies to chill the fuck out because there's not going to be that much changes happening. | ||
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On November 02 2011 06:24 Drem903 wrote: Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch. was that about me? If yes than I'll ask you a question: If someone said you're mafia and in reality you're town. So given that situation: You would not try to convince people you're town? Because that's going to get people on the right track and town will avoid a town lynch. I'd say in both cases I'm going to try and convince you I'm town :p | ||
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Remember. I never lurked, I never ignored something. You asked me smoething? A question? An explanation of what I meant? Np, I answered everything! At least I think so and I always told you to ask me if somethings unclear and said I'm going to answer everything you're going to ask me. I'm completly telling you guys what my intentions are and yet some people think my actions sometimes were weird (for example to try and get some reactions out of people) and in the end most people tend to say the reason behind it sounds legit. Does that sound like a mafia or like someone trying to get some information on day 1 with so much nothing before I started doing so? On the other side we got skrammen who's lurking hardcore, we got risk who's lurking hardcore. Skrammen is answering sometimes while risk is just completly ignoring EVERYTHING he was asked and he's totally ignoring posts like skrammen did when he talked about the possibility of risk being mafia (that is if skrammen is red, too). He went ahead and asked you guys what you think about the situation skrammen vs me, just to ignore the next thing. He IS explaining this one thing: Why he thinks I am mafia and is complety ignoring everything else. Does that sound like a townie? In my opinion it's more of a guy trying to make people go after me and nothing else. Go ahead, search for all my posts with the content risk. Plenty got something with risk in it, asking him to explain what his thoughts are or whatever. I haven't found a single answer yet. I still think skrammen looks red but this could be a huge problem and we both could end up being green and I got to change what I said earlier: I don't think mafia would have to push for skrammen if skrammen turns out to be green. Town fighting over lynching either Townie1 or Townie2 while not able to decide which one is a pretty nice position to be in for mafia as well. I'd still like to vote for risk over skrammen. | ||
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