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Hey guys as you can tell by the more thought out ideas and stuff this is ON.
Ive mostly been around in IRC lately and my partner has currently voted Jimbo, I am currently vetoing his vote on it in favor of Mig, currently He is the only person that I feel safe giving bodyguard protection too at the moment due to the Jimbo/Sandroba debacle. I want to keep both of these players on a short leash, the pardoner is kind of iffy right now as I guess greymist would be all right but well at this point I really dont know which would be better between him and Radfield.
It basically boils down to weather we want a more townie feeling player or a vet like radfield who could be town or manipulating us again, its hard for me to tell at this point.
Regardless I will be voting Mig.
I still dont entirely disagree with a Hiro lynch and will agree with my partner.
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It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)
So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.
I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure.
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well all the people who claimed vanilla town to me are likely to be bodyguards unless they get swapped out.
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On October 16 2011 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)
So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.
I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure.
Wait...so you're more sure Mig is town...but want to give radfield the stronger role for mafia if he's mafia?
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On October 16 2011 06:40 heist wrote:
So let's say I wasn't exactly receptive when you started off your campaign founded on a promise to lynch Sandroba. It just came off as: This is my best judgment, This is what's going to happen if I'm mayor, vote for me if you agree.
On October 15 2011 03:18 JimboSilvers wrote:
Now. That all being said, Pending public opinion, I will lynch Sandroba if elected mayor, for blatantly pushing pro-mafia policies and ideas.
On October 16 2011 02:10 JimboSilvers wrote:
Btw, I said in the post that I would lynch Sandro, that i would lynch him pending the opinion of the town. At this point, I still think that he's scum, but I don't think that the majority of the town thinks that. So I won't not be lynching Sandroba if I am elected.
Tbh, I'm not positive who I would lynch, but I wouldn't lynch someone that the town doesn't think I should lynch.
I'm not sure why you got that sort of vibe from what I said, but I've always said something to the effect of "I'm not going to lynch against the town". It was never my platform either. My platform is my play this game.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On October 16 2011 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)
So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.
I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure.
If you are more sure of Mig, then you should want him as pardoner
Not to mention I have stated several times that my role has excellent synergy with the mayoral position. Besides, no scum elected role would try to kill the bodyguards in this setup, since it protects them from the other scum teams.
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On October 16 2011 07:05 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)
So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.
I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure. Wait...so you're more sure Mig is town...but want to give radfield the stronger role for mafia if he's mafia?
I think mayor is stronger.
To be honest the difference isn't really that huge, but if the BGs get switched out and Mig gets shot we'll instantly have 2 scum. If Radfield is mayor I can't guarantee we'd know who the BGs are.
Obviously we can't do anything about Radfield not being on the ballot. I'd rather have Mig be the mayor.
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this game sucks
I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game.
Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims.
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Well, I don't think I'm getting into office at this point, so I'm going to vote Radfield. He's the candidate I like the most, and I trust him to be pardoner. If a bunch of people start voting for him, I'll move my vote to the next leading candidate.
On October 16 2011 07:49 Arctocod wrote:
this game sucks
I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game.
Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims.
Unless you mean you're going to die and flip town, shooting you doesn't confirm you. Also, would you care expanding on "both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims."? Do you mean they lied to you in a scum way, or just lied to you and you're mad that they lied?
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On October 16 2011 07:49 Arctocod wrote:
this game sucks
I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game.
Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims.
The irony in this post is hilarious
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<OV|LoL> so
<OV|LoL> artocod expects
<OV|LoL> perfect claims to him
<OV|LoL> for no reason
<OV|LoL> D1
<OV|LoL> then says omg why you guys trolling so hard
<OV|LoL> Someone needs to explain to me
<OV|LoL> why that works
<OV|LoL> Oh wait
<OV|LoL> Artocod is probably Palmar smurf
<OV|LoL> IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
<OV|LoL> Still unreasonable/
This is just my working theory atm.
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Mig, would you prefer the mayor position or the pardoner one? If you guys arnt reading the voting thread it was announced that we are not allowed to vote for ourselves, so that means radfield, me, and meapak need to choose someone else.
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So, just to point it out, I've already proven myself a capable player, and I am experienced, and I am a scum hunter. If you don't think I'm a townie, look at how the votes played out.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2011 15:56 bumatlarge wrote:
I like radfield or jimbo, as soon as they identify their lynch target I'll choose between them, On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo. On October 15 2011 08:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
If I could choose mayor/pardoner right now, it would be one of Jimbo/Radfield for the one position, and then someone else, On October 15 2011 13:21 GreYMisT wrote:I agree with a number of people in the thread that have said we need to elect a mayor who we feel most comfortable being not mafia, that for me is Jimbo. On October 15 2011 14:39 GreYMisT wrote:
Although I still feel like jimbo is the best option out of the current canidates I thought I would give everyone another option. On October 15 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jimbo is not bad, but it is unclear whether or not he is a good candidate for elected office On October 15 2011 15:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, On October 15 2011 16:56 Foolishness wrote:
Greymist/Jimbo as our elected officials. On October 15 2011 18:40 prplhz wrote:
mig/rad/jimbo/greymist are probably the ones who can garner most support so lets focus on them On October 16 2011 01:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Jimbo has been showing signs of scumhunting, so I might consider him. On October 15 2011 13:14 Protactinium wrote:
JimboSilvers - 1
bumatlarge
There's a lot more support in the thread than shows in the votes. Does that disconnect feel a little odd to anyone else? This is the other half of play that I'm always talking about: Listening, and gauging the reaction of the thread. If I was mafia, do you think I would still have only one vote? No. Mafia would have pulled out by now, or put up more support for their guy. I honestly think that I am the best candidate still, and dispite several other people agreeing with me (in pms, and in thread), the votes aren't there.
Doesn't that seem just a little odd?
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United States4714 Posts
Ok first of all I will be around for deadlines although I am not sure it really matters.
Whether I prefer mayor or pardoner I don't care that much honestly. Mayor you know who bgs are and double vote are both extremely power late game. Pardoner is most important to deny from scum hands. But at this point I think there is a good chance Radfield is also town. So town should decide who they trust more and make them pardoner between us. I would say I slightly prefer pardoner since I know for sure I am town and I can't be completely sure of Rad.
Anyway and since I can't vote myself I will be voting Rad.
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United States4714 Posts
Jimbo there are only 3 possible scum teammates for each person. So how does you only having 1 vote make you town? Do you expect entire scum teams to all vote for their candidate connecting all of them together?
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If someone tried to take hero and didn't get it, please let us (me) know. <3
(Not connected to the post above)
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Ok, after extensive conversation with most of the candidates, and by reviewing the vote list, I feel it is best to get Mig into the role of the pardoner. Me and him have talked and I agree with his thoughts on how the pardoner role should be used, and our private chats lead me to believe he is right for the job.
That being said i will vote radfield with the aim to get mig pardoner.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Is sinani playing in thi game? He is not mentioned by protact in the voting thread, is not answering my PM, and I don't think he has even posted.
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So this vote looks like it's coming down to radfield and Mig. I've been thinking a lot about Mig, several people have assured me he's town and I seriously considered voting him for a bit. But the more I thought about it the more uncomfortable I became with trusting someone else's gut over my own. Ultimately I could find no reason to vote for Mig other than because people swore up and down he was town. I don't have these feelings (not saying he's scum, just that I don't trust him enough to give him mayor). Gonna go with Rad.
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On October 16 2011 08:41 JimboSilvers wrote:So, just to point it out, I've already proven myself a capable player, and I am experienced, and I am a scum hunter. If you don't think I'm a townie, look at how the votes played out. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2011 15:56 bumatlarge wrote:
I like radfield or jimbo, as soon as they identify their lynch target I'll choose between them, On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo. On October 15 2011 08:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
If I could choose mayor/pardoner right now, it would be one of Jimbo/Radfield for the one position, and then someone else, On October 15 2011 13:21 GreYMisT wrote:I agree with a number of people in the thread that have said we need to elect a mayor who we feel most comfortable being not mafia, that for me is Jimbo. On October 15 2011 14:39 GreYMisT wrote:
Although I still feel like jimbo is the best option out of the current canidates I thought I would give everyone another option. On October 15 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jimbo is not bad, but it is unclear whether or not he is a good candidate for elected office On October 15 2011 15:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, On October 15 2011 16:56 Foolishness wrote:
Greymist/Jimbo as our elected officials. On October 15 2011 18:40 prplhz wrote:
mig/rad/jimbo/greymist are probably the ones who can garner most support so lets focus on them On October 16 2011 01:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Jimbo has been showing signs of scumhunting, so I might consider him. On October 15 2011 13:14 Protactinium wrote:
JimboSilvers - 1
bumatlarge There's a lot more support in the thread than shows in the votes. Does that disconnect feel a little odd to anyone else? This is the other half of play that I'm always talking about: Listening, and gauging the reaction of the thread. If I was mafia, do you think I would still have only one vote? No. Mafia would have pulled out by now, or put up more support for their guy. I honestly think that I am the best candidate still, and dispite several other people agreeing with me (in pms, and in thread), the votes aren't there. Doesn't that seem just a little odd?
Sorry jimbo, I don't think its happening for you, and I've never seen radfield play the manipulative mafia mayor role, so I'll take my chances with the next smartest person. Also, I feel really strongly about chaoser as scum, not just because of the DB thing. WBG is pretty much on my level with what I think about him.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2011 13:34 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 12:01 chaoser wrote:On October 15 2011 11:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On October 15 2011 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 15 2011 11:34 chaoser wrote:On October 15 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote:Raise your hand if you believe chaoser is scum and is using bad logic to try and get a possible townie lynched + Show Spoiler + Says the guy who tried to mine me for info and then when I asked him back he declined to reply. So who would you rather lynch? hiro? I think you're smart enough to figure out both who I would want to lynch and why I gave you very little information. You've been rather defensive in your last several posts wbg. Rather than acting like you're above us all, why don't you tell us who you want to lynch since it seems like you have someone in mind. I think he's trying to say that he wants to lynch me DINGDINGDING we have a winner scum! Without further ado, I shall present to you all: wherebugsgo's Traveling Circus
Featuring:
The Scum of the Day Ladies and gents, Tudors and Lancasters, Commoners and Yorkers+ Show Spoiler + (and anyone I may have missed inbetween, *wink* *wink*) our scum of the day is none other thaaaan: CHAOSER!+ Show Spoiler +yaaaaaay go chaoser yaaaaay clap clap clap clap For his first trick, chaoser displays: contradiction! Observe carefully as he says that he will support sandroba and Radfield if he doesn't gain ground while seeking election, and then backpedals on Radfield! + Show Spoiler +[13:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[13:39] <chaoser> myself
[13:40] <wherebugsgo> and who else?
[13:42] <chaoser> i don't know, i don't trust anyone else enough to want them in an elected role
[13:42] <chaoser> but i feel like that's pretty much how everyone should feel
[13:42] <chaoser> about elections
[13:42] <chaoser> if i really had to
[13:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba
[13:42] <chaoser> or rad
[13:42] <chaoser> it'd force them to keep contributing
[13:43] <wherebugsgo> so wait
[13:43] <wherebugsgo> do you or do you not trust sandroba/radfield?
[13:44] <chaoser> i trust them as much as i can shake a thumb at them but since I don't know if they're 100% town I'm weary
[13:44] <chaoser> who are you goign to vote for?
[13:45] <wherebugsgo> mmm
[13:45] <wherebugsgo> probably syllo
[13:45] <chaoser> the syllo mig team?
[13:45] <chaoser> they're running together btw
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know
[13:46] <chaoser> k
[13:46] <chaoser> so you trust both of them?
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> syllo is my strongest town read atm, yes
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> and Mig is pretty up there too
[13:48] <chaoser> is this from thread
[13:48] <chaoser> or PMs?
[13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs mostly
[13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs and thread for syllo This was early yesterday, when I believed syllo and Mig were town. Today, I am unsure and I will get to this later
[18:47] <chaoser> they are?
[19:20] <chaoser> where did they say that?
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> wait what? sorry
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you're referring to because this IRC window is fresh
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> so I have nothing from the previous session
[19:34] <chaoser> [18:57] <wherebugsgo> so sandroba and radfield were planning on running together?\
[19:34] <chaoser> i was at work
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> they said that earlier in IRC I believe
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> now sandroba supports syllo
[19:35] <chaoser> ok
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> so you would still support Radfield for office
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> if you didn't gain any ground?
[19:36] <chaoser> if i don't gain any ground i'll vote syllo
[19:37] <wherebugsgo> why the change of heart?
[19:38] <chaoser> i didn't have a change of heart?
[19:38] <chaoser> i said i woudl vote sandroba
[19:38] <chaoser> if he ran
[19:39] <chaoser> he said he's not running
[19:39] <chaoser> and that he suports syllo
[19:39] <chaoser> where is the change of heart in that?
[19:40] <wherebugsgo> you said you'd support radfield or sandroba
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad
[19:41] <wherebugsgo> yep
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[19:41] == No such nick: chaoser
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> so now
[19:42] == No such nick: chaoser
[19:42] <chaoser> ok apparently if i copy paste the log
[19:42] <chaoser> i get disconencted
[19:42] <chaoser> but go look
[19:42] <chaoser> in the logs
[19:42] <chaoser> where do i say
[19:42] <chaoser> i'm voting radfield?
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> you say you want sandroba or rad
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> elected
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> not syllo
[19:42] <chaoser> i never said that
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> yes you did you just copied it
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba, or rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba's gone
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> so that leaves rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> why syllo and not rad?
[19:43] <chaoser> oh ok, i thought you meant like a combo
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> what?
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> you said OR
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> how the hell is that a combo
[19:44] <chaoser> yeah i know, you said are you voting for rad?
[19:44] <wherebugsgo> ok brb custom
[19:44] <chaoser> ?
[19:44] <chaoser> what's custom
[19:45] <wherebugsgo> sc2
[19:45] <chaoser> ...
[19:48] <chaoser> i meant to say that if i had to vote otherwise besides myself i would vote sand or rad but that i didn't fully 100% trust either one of them. I believe sandroba to be townish and radfield I'm not sure about, hence why previously I had said a null read on him. At the time, those were the only two people I were thinking and I didn't notice syllo at all. After talkign to sandroba about it, I
[19:48] <chaoser> reread syllo's posts and they seemed decently protownie to me. That is why
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> okay
[21:00] == No such nick: chaoser
Chaoser says he'll vote sandroba or Radfield if he himself doesn't gain much ground, then completely avoids Radfield like the plague. He even says "oh I thought you meant combo" when he himself said sandroba OR radfield, never sandroba AND radfield. Weird, eh? What else has Chaoser got to show us? It looks like.... Using past games to "prove" a point! + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2011 12:27 chaoser wrote:Chaoser For Mayor! I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser. Then calling out supersoft for using similar logic for supporting someone else for mayor! + Show Spoiler +On October 15 2011 05:59 chaoser wrote:
Your only criteria for voting for someone is that you've played in previously PM games with them and that they are active all the time? There are other things too, but I've stopped here because I have been in IRC this entire time and have lost my focus on this post. I'll clarify more things/reasons if anyone wants me to. (I'm on IRC) Here's a conversation we just had in which chaoser provides reasons as to why he's playing the way he's playing: + Show Spoiler +[20:47] <chaosers> yo
[20:48] <wherebugsgo> sup
[20:49] <chaosers> why do you think i'm mafia?
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> you'll find out soon enough
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> besides DB who do you want lynched?
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> and why?
[20:49] <chaosers> hiro
[20:49] <chaosers> rafield
[20:49] <chaosers> anyone saying mafia won't run for office
[20:50] <chaosers> basically
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> okay
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> so why hiro?
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> besides that
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> it can't be the only reason lol
[20:50] <chaosers> I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:
[20:50] <chaosers> Sandroba
[20:50] <chaosers> Jumbo
[20:50] <chaosers> Radfield
[20:50] <chaosers> All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.
[20:51] <chaosers> chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.
[20:51] <chaosers> stuff like that
[20:51] <chaosers> no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far.
[20:51] <chaosers> I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons
[20:51] <chaosers> then he says
[20:51] <chaosers> I am of the opinion that the scum teams wont try running for mayor unless they have some role combo that would stop DT checks (I doubt all three would have this). maybe 2 out of 3. maybe.
[20:52] <chaosers> by that logic
[20:52] <chaosers> i'd be least likely to have a combo role
[20:52] <wherebugsgo> so again, other than the fact that he overlooked the fact that several roles in the game have the ability to be strong as scum in office, why is hiro scum?
[20:52] <chaosers> since i'm 19
[20:53] <chaosers> cool, Im voting for Radfield.
[20:53] <chaosers> My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure).
[20:53] <chaosers> My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role.
[20:53] <chaosers> he says he's vointg for rad
[20:53] <chaosers> and immediately pairs him with mig
[20:53] <chaosers> who is a lot more townie
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> sooo
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't really see you
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> providing reasons
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> just saying he likes Radfield and Mig for office
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's scum?
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> lol
[20:56] <chaosers> if you're going to tunnel me
[20:56] <chaosers> then tunnel me
[20:56] <chaosers> you've played games where i've played mafia
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> I've played one game
[20:57] <chaosers> ask yourself if my play this game is a result of me being mafia or a product of being overworked, underslept, and out of my element
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> where you're scum
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> uhh lol
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> don't get all emotional with me
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> that shit doesn't work
[20:57] <chaosers> i ain't getting emotional
[20:57] <chaosers> that's my excuse for my play
[20:57] <chaosers> take it or leave it
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> well, you're pulling in outside of game excuses
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> for your play
[20:57] <chaosers> indeed i am
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> you really think that's going to help your case, then so be it
[20:58] <chaosers> it's called emta
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> however
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> your meta would suggest that you are scum this game
[20:58] <chaosers> from the one game you played with me/
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> no
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> primarily from what I saw in LOTR when you were town
[20:58] <chaosers> you mean at the end of that game?
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> as town you don't seem to back off when you think someone is scm
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> yep
[20:59] <chaosers> did i back off from people when i was scum in that one game where i was mafia?
[20:59] <wherebugsgo> you bussed in that game
[20:59] <chaosers> have i EVER backed off people?
[20:59] <wherebugsgo> other than that
[21:00] <chaosers> so all of a sudden i decide it's ok in my play
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> you pushed DB
[21:00] <chaosers> to back off people
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> sorry, Pyo
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> as a mislynch
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> you push bad townies
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> as scum
[21:00] <chaosers> that's like every scum,at least this time after talkign to people
[21:00] <chaosers> i acknowledge
[21:00] <chaosers> he was bad lynch
[21:00] <chaosers> and gave up on it
[21:01] <chaosers> if i had kept pushing it i can understand
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> just
[21:02] <chaosers> whatever
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> clearly nothing i say
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> will convince you otherwise
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> lol
[21:03] <wherebugsgo> trololool
[21:03] <chaosers> trololol
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> oh btw
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> XLIV doesn't apply as much here, since you decided you'd bus Mig as your plan from day 1
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> bussing doesn't really work here when you have 3 scumteams and each team is made of 4 players each
[21:04] <chaosers> you know you could go look at every other game
[21:04] <chaosers> i've palyed mafia
[21:05] <chaosers> besides that one right?
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> so whether your meta as scum applies from XLIV here doesn't matter
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> no, actually, there's no game where someone as scum (for good players, anyway) will apply here
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> really we can only use town meta
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> because that's what will be consistent
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> scum meta is going to be useless because even scum in this game will want to "scumhunt"
[21:05] <chaosers> ok so in a game
[21:05] <chaosers> that's soooo easy
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> in XLIV you bussed Mig two days in a row, so your "meta" there is largely useless
[21:05] <chaosers> to scumhunt
[21:06] <chaosers> you'd think
[21:06] <chaosers> i'd be a lot better at it huh?
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> in this game?
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> yeah definitely
[21:06] <chaosers> yeah
[21:06] <chaosers> in this game
[21:06] <chaosers> yeah
[21:06] <chaosers> but i didn't
[21:06] <chaosers> if i was mafia, i'd be living it up
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> I'd think you'd actually put some heart into it if you were town
[21:06] <chaosers> it' be liek bussing mafia that weren't even on my team
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> wtf?
[21:06] <chaosers> by bussing i mean
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> yes, kinda
[21:06] <chaosers> i'd be hunting mafia
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> you would get towncred
[21:06] <chaosers> like it was going out of fashion
[21:07] <chaosers> yeah
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> but
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you'd still have an agenda
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and your agenda is apparent
[21:07] <chaosers> i understan that's like WIFOM
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you want to lynch people who appear scummy
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro and DB are fucking terrible lynches and you'd know that if you were town
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you saw XLIV and how bad they both played
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> DB as medic and hiro as VT
[21:07] <chaosers> i don't even remember hiro
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro fakeclaimed vet
[21:07] <chaosers> as a player
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and DB claimed DT? into medic
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and then got himself shot
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> cause he was dumb.
[21:08] <chaosers> i remember someone doing that but not who it was
[21:08] <chaosers> but now i do
[21:08] <chaosers> so thanks
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> now he's doing something dumb again and you jump all over him as if that's some sort of huge tell that he's scum
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> same with hiro
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> hiro is being standard hiro for all intents and purposes
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> and you want to lynch him because he's "scummy" without actually providing real reasons
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> if you were town
[21:08] <chaosers> he said
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> you would recognize that these two players are both known for this kind of play
[21:09] <chaosers> that he thinks mafia would run for office
[21:09] <chaosers> unless they have combos
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> and you would give them time
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> he thinks they would NOT run for office
[21:09] <chaosers> um, i'm sorry but i'm not super jesus with a memory of 100
[21:09] <chaosers> i on't remember bad palyers
[21:09] <chaosers> the only bad player i remember
[21:09] <chaosers> is kenpachi
[21:09] <chaosers> cause i got him lynched once as town
[21:09] <chaosers> and he was town
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> you just played a game
[21:09] <chaosers> and lsot us the game
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> full of bad players
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> in LoTR
[21:10] <chaosers> yeah, and i only remember the last few poeple
[21:10] <chaosers> heist
[21:10] <chaosers> and trancestorm
[21:10] <chaosers> mostly trancesotrm
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> and Drazerk
[21:10] <chaosers> i will never play with that guy again
[21:10] <chaosers> drazerk protected my ass
[21:10] <chaosers> i high five him
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> he also protted iGrok
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> the "survivor Balrog"
[21:10] <chaosers> yeah that was really stupid...
[21:10] <chaosers> hey, i actually thought iGRok was actualyl th balrog
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> and also believed kita's tracker claim IIRC rofl
[21:11] <chaosers> everyon believd his claim
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> and by everyone, you mean all the townies who were left
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> and almost all of them were bad to some extent at least lol
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> heist believes any claim
[21:11] <chaosers> um, it was day 2 when he claimed
[21:11] <chaosers> i tihnk
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> no it was later than that
[21:11] <chaosers> day 3
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> all the good townies were dead by that point
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> but anyway
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> I think you're a good player as town
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> which is why I seriously question your motives
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> when you push DB and hiro
[21:12] <chaosers> jesus that was such a shit game...
[21:12] <chaosers> mafia were so stacked with good palyers...
[21:13] <chaosers> jackal things hiro is a good lynch too>
[21:15] <chaosers> mig agrees that peopel who said mafia aren't running in elections is scummy as well?
[21:15] <chaosers> i talke to both of them before i decided on hiro
[21:15] <chaosers> this was after the DB thing
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 1. the other things that Jackal and Mig have done/said are not quite as scummy as what you have done
[21:16] <chaosers> i was out of it from work
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 2. they actually have good reasons
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> and can provide them
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 3. they have some original opinions.
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> I can't find anything that you've said that hadn't already been said by some other person in the game already
[21:17] <chaosers> i've been in the ER for like 15 hours
[21:17] <chaosers> in the past three days
[21:17] <chaosers> + med school classes
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> dude
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> a lot of us have school too
[21:17] <chaosers> i'm sorry that i haven't been puttign in my 100%
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> I don't care what's going on outside of game
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> if that's an issue
[21:17] <chaosers> did you have to hold someone's liver for three hours straight?
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> request a replacement
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> do I care?
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:18] <chaosers> apparently you don't
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game isn't about sparing who I have the most sympathy for
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game is about finding scum and killing them
[21:18] <chaosers> i'm not saying
[21:18] <chaosers> pity me
[21:18] <chaosers> i'm saying
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> certainly sounds like it lol
[21:18] <chaosers> whether i'm scum or not
[21:18] <chaosers> wil lbe clear
[21:18] <chaosers> in a ay or two
[21:18] <chaosers> especailly after elections
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> "oh look at how much work I've been doing irl please let me live"
[21:18] <chaosers> sigh
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:18] <chaosers> your arguement against me
[21:19] <chaosers> is that i'm not playing up to snuff
[21:19] <chaosers> my defense is that i know i'm not
[21:19] <chaosers> and this is the reason why
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> so you think
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> we should lynch hiro/DB instead of you?
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> or Radfield lol
[21:19] <chaosers> i think radfield
[21:19] <chaosers> actually
[21:19] <chaosers> i don't think
[21:19] <chaosers> i nee to reread the thread
[21:19] <chaosers> when i'm not dea tired
[21:19] <chaosers> and then talk to people
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> loool
[21:19] <chaosers> restart the game
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> you have like
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> 24 hours tomorrow
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> it's a saturday
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> if you're really this tired you'll have plenty of time to save yourself!
[21:20] <chaosers> hospitals don't clsoe on weekends btw, but i'll only be busy from 5AM-9AM
[21:21] <chaosers> how old are you -_-
[21:21] <chaosers> to compare school to med school is ridiculous...
[21:21] <wherebugsgo> I'm a physics/linguistics undergrad at UC Berkeley
[21:21] <wherebugsgo> don't try to use the school excuse on me lol
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> I realize that med school is hard
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> but it's a pathetic excuse
[21:22] <chaosers> come to med school, see our 80 hour work week
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> dude
[21:22] <chaosers> that's liek average
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> if you're so bogged down
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> why the hell are you playing mafia?
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> if this is real I can't imagine you're even enjoying the game
[21:22] <chaosers> i wasn't expecting to be this bogge down
[21:22] <chaosers> one of my coworkers
[21:22] <chaosers> is out sick
[21:22] <chaosers> so i had to take their shift for this week
[21:23] <chaosers> i'll be free all of next week
[21:23] <chaosers> from shifts
[21:23] <chaosers> since he'll be back
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> zZz
[21:23] <chaosers> and covering all of mine
[21:23] <chaosers> and no
[21:23] <chaosers> i'm not enjoyign this game
[21:23] <chaosers> rightn ow
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> I would think if you were town you'd probably request replacement lol
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> but whatever
[21:23] <chaosers> you know, you could try being a little bit less of a condescending ass
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> I'm being condescending?
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm not saying I'm better than you
[21:24] <chaosers> with the zZzs and lol's
[21:24] <chaosers> ?
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm just saying this is really underhanded
[21:24] <chaosers> patronizing
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> it's total bullshit IMO
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> to be using IRL excuses in a game of psychology
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> and in fact
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> anyone who does so
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> and then doesn't do anything about it
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> is insta scum
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> you seem to be completely apathetic
[21:24] <chaosers> i am doing somthing about it
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> what, exactly?
[21:24] <chaosers> i talk to gm
[21:24] <chaosers> ed
[21:24] <chaosers> about getting him to replace me
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM?
[21:25] <chaosers> but that's outsie the game
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM is not hosting this game lol
[21:25] <chaosers> yeah
[21:25] <chaosers> but he said
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> and he's not able to play either
[21:25] <chaosers> he's in charge
[21:25] <chaosers> of somestuff
[21:25] <chaosers> yeah Other people who would make a good lynch today: sandrobaprplhzPeople who need to die at some point: RadfieldMeapakPeople who are scummy: supersoft
wiggles
arctocodPeople who are null or just plain unreadable atm: Mig
Syllogism
Jimbo
Scamp
Jackal
hiro
NodeEveryone else is some combination of null/town to me atm. There are a few players I haven't really talked to yet and am not yet concerned about. These players I expect to either be modkilled or to be relevant issues later in the game.
I mostly see a desperation to be elected from chaoser, rather then wanting to be elected to help town. Scumhunting is a major mayor attribute, but blatantly making it the sole reason to get elected provides little assurance that you aren't scum. In fact chaoser, it's funny you should call out WBG on questioning alot without giving alot of information, because I felt thats what basically happened between us after I pretty much gave you my gameplan. I'm not very active this game, but I do know where being tired effects your game. I don't see it in the elements WBG is calling you out on.
I see alternative motives and contentless posts.
On October 13 2011 00:18 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +One problem with "accountability" guidelines from previous PYP games has been that a scum will draft a defensive role near the top and then bury the power role near the bottom of the draft, where its identity is hidden. This is made worse by the fact that there are different mafia factions in this game so things get even more confusing with them all going for the same roles and possibly same strats and soon you'll have to deal with the mess that happened in PYP2 where a traitor said someone picked his role in the top 5 and we ended up losing two days to that alone except this time it will probably be worse when we try to control the role list. Sandroba hits the nail on the head. This game is about outlasting, not about trying to win the game as early as possible as town. The longer the game goes on, the more mafia will have to start worrying about each other and the more information and time town has to figure everything out. Let the mafia deal with fighting over roles, we should focus on getting as many protective roles as possible. Look at how LOTR played out: Two medics basically bought town enough time to lynch the last three mafia. I'd say protective roles are #1 picks and then investigative roles and then KP roles. Mafia will probably be going for as many KP as possible to try to overcome our defensive roles if we play like this so we can just lynch anyone suspicious that also has KP.
I really get nothing out of these posts. Referencing other games are fine, and I do agree with the point made on having let mafia fight over roles, but this isn't advice as much as it is fluff. It's hardly specific, and mentioning general outlasting tactics is more luck-based then skill-based. You are making it off to be that mafia won't like to take defensive roles just as much as we do. A random townie is only slightly more likely to be shot then a mafia member. Telling people to take roles that focus on people they trust is generally bad this game. Mentioning medic as an actual good role in this format is blasphemous. I can think of nothing less threatening then knowing there is a town aligned anonymous medic, protecting whoever they want to. With so many shots going around and 4 factions, self protection almost always seems more reliable, since you know you will be protecting town.
The generic "lynch anyone suspicious with KP" seems like awful "I am helping" trash. You consistently reference your scumhunting abilities, yet I really don't see this as your primary motive through your posts.
On October 13 2011 09:25 chaoser wrote:
If we're doing a top three deny strat we should definitely include framer in there. It's way overpowered.
On October 14 2011 01:42 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:46 DropBear wrote:On October 14 2011 00:37 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:On October 14 2011 00:16 DropBear wrote:On October 13 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Someone in the mid to high range might want to consider picking Framer as an honesty check and to discourage anyone from picking it late in the draft.
With all the lynch dodging abilitites (hero, vet, vote rigger, Showtime!) the Qatol ability might be pretty useful for town to ban the person who is about to get lynched to increase the odds that it goes through. Considering there will be so many mafia information checks, it will also let us remove a scum power if we are unable to lynch everybody during the day. I will take Framer if everyone is prepared to leave it for me? lol? I've already sent it in. Claiming Framer :D In the interest of making 100% sure that we keep the framer role out of the mafia's hands I suggest that someone pick Qatol and then ban it once Dropbear has gotten it. It takes the ambiguity of whether Dropbear is actually mafia or not. I can't think of a single situation where a townie framer would be advantageous that would likely come up that wouldn't just cause more confusion and disruption.
You name a bad plan, and then you push dropbear for your lynch for what you proposed. This is silly stuff. You don't try to help and then fail like this as town. You try to help to appear like you are helping so that you can be the candidate for your team since no one else is able to.
I think chaoser is as good as first lynch candidates go. I will vote for another mayor if radfield does not plan on lynching chaoser.
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